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Angelcurio
December 13th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Blu-ray Disc considered “The New Higher Definition Format”

At Twentieth Century Fox Studios on November 29, the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) gave an update on their blue laser technology. BDA felt that it was time to highlight its progress in bringing “the new high definition format” to market. Andy Parson, Senior Vice President of Advanced Product Development for Pioneer Electronics, opened the meeting by giving an overview of the state of Blu-ray development.

Mr. Parsons noted, “There’s no format war looming because it’s not Blu-ray vs. HD DVD.”

Apparently, 90 percent of the CE industry and seven movie studios now back Blu-ray Disc. And most of the IT industry (except Microsoft) also supports Blu-ray Disc.

Mr. Parsons said, “It’s simply Blu-ray versus standard definition DVD… Currently, DVD has 50,000 titles presently available, and both formats will co-exist for several years to come with new BD players supporting both formats. BD players make the perfect complement to new HDTVs that are being purchased by consumers.”

Lastly, Mr. Parsons noted that the group has been working with retailers for the past two months to get them prepared for the Spring 2006 launch of Blu-ray Disc.

Blu-ray is now called “future-proof” by the consortium because it has the capability to play back both Blu-ray discs and standard definition DVDs within one player. It was even shown that a DVD-9 layer can be laid down onto a Blu-ray disc to make a true hybrid disc. On the upper layer, DVD-9 content (DVD-9 layer is the standard definition version of the movie or video) is stored, and on the lower level Blu-ray content is available. It was pointed out that this is all on one side of the Blu-ray disc, and was completely different than what HD DVD has proposed for a hybrid disc, which makes the end user flip the disc over to play a standard definition or high definition version of the same movie. Of course, this goes back to Blu-ray’s original point of superiority regarding storage capability, in that there is enough storage capability on one side of the disc to hold a Blu-ray version, a standard definition movie, a completely interactive menu and a navigation system.

Shifting gears somewhat, the discussion then focused on some digital rights management issues that have recently been singled out in the press by Microsoft and others. The first area touched upon was Mandatory Managed Copy (MMC). MMC is a function of AACS, which is the basic content protection system for Blu-ray Disc. Once compliance and robustness rules are received from the AACS founders group, the Blu-ray Disc Association can include MMC in the Blu-ray Disc format. These rules are expected shortly. A second DRM issue also was discussed: BD+. BD+ is an additional layer of content protection for BD-ROM titles. Reportedly, BD+ is totally transparent to the end user, and does not interfere with “untampered with” titles or players. It was pointed out that an Internet connection is NOT required for BD+ to operate or playback of any BD title. It was further noted that BD+ will not interfere with mandatory managed copy.

The meeting then shifted to a discussion on authoring, interactivity and navigation. It should be noted that a prototype Panasonic Blu-ray Disc player was used in the demonstrations discussed below. However, it also was noted that within the next few weeks, Sony would be releasing the initial authoring system for use by all of its members who will produce software titles for Blu-ray Disc.

In the beginning of DVD, everyone thought that with the addition of chapters setup, along with additional material in navigation form, made DVD truly cutting-edge. But compared to the “space age” interactivity of the Blu-ray Disc menus, menu systems demonstrated by both 20th Century Fox and Disney, standard DVD menus are static and flat. Most of the studios are using Blu-ray Java for their navigation systems. Disney beats to its own drummer and prefers another scheme called IHD, which has not yet been sanctioned by the BDA.

Mr. Mike Dunn, President of Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, took over the presentation for the studios. Fox has taken the Charlie’s Angels-Full Throttle title and turned it into a test disc for members of the BDA to troubleshoot. The “works in progress” new menu systems are extremely fluid and offer full HD resolution throughout, including all supplementary material. Instead of simply static thumbnail images of a scene from a chapter, for example, you now have a completely interactive experience. The Blu-ray disc can do several things simultaneously with moving images instead of frozen ones. It was very compelling in making the experience satisfying for the end user.

Disney then took the stage. Mr. Bob Chapek, President of Buena Vista Entertainment, demonstrated supplementary material from an interactive game from Aladdin in which the user flies on a carpet. In the standard definition DVD, the user would have to stop and click on an icon to go to the next level. In the Blu-ray disc version, the user simply flies through it in full HD resolution. It was eye-popping. Disney also used material from Pirates of the Caribbean for various uses of additional supplementary material. Disney made it clear that they were not using Blu-ray Java for their menu and navigation systems, but something that they were working on separately. They would not confirm or deny that it was IHD.

Apparently, some of the new Blu-ray Disc players will also include Internet capability for the downloading of movie trailers, and other supplementary material such as a new commentary from a director, star or someone else associated with a particular production—all in complete HD. There could even be a “live” webcast from Cinderella’s castle that could be accessed via the Blu-ray Disc and the Internet connection. However, it was pointed out that complete movies could not be downloaded, nor was it considered practical for the foreseeable future.

Mr. Parsons then returned to the podium and announced that the upcoming CES would be for the launch of Blu-ray Disc. He noted that all of the companies that are part of the BDA will be making announcements at CES regarding model numbers, prices, and title availability. Basically, he’s saying, “Stay tuned.”

At the conclusion of the demonstrations, the floor was opened for a Q & A session. It was learned that there is still no word as to whether or not Blu-ray Disc players will include component video outputs. Clearly, there was no word on any compromises with the HD DVD camp, as Blu-ray Disc feels that it’s basically “dead and buried.” It should be noted, though, that several companies have shifted alliances somewhat by being in both camps. These companies include Warner Bros., Paramount and Thomson. One of the slides showed Thomson in the hardware camp for Blu-ray Disc, but not HD DVD. Thomson was queried, and it was found that it now supports both formats. Thomson plans an HD DVD player in the first half of 2006, and a Blu-ray Disc player in the second half of 2006. The bottom line is that it seems that momentum is simply for Blu-ray Disc.

While it was noted that engineers are putting in 80-hour weeks to get Blu-ray Disc launched, the question is whether they can really do it in time for a Spring 2006 launch. Maybe it’s wishful thinking on their part, but there are things to be considered. It was noted by industry analyst Richard Doherty of Envisioneering that there simply aren’t that many blue laser diodes available for the type of launch the BDA is proposing.

Another thing to consider for Sony is whether their gaming sister company takes all of those diodes for PS3, which is also supposed to launch in Spring 2006, and also plays back Blu-ray Discs. My guess is that the product won’t really launch until E3, which will be held next May. Would Sony really let its sister gaming company take the lead on this technological development? And how will Sony feel if it doesn’t have the first consumer Blu-ray Disc player out there because someone else beat them to it? Maybe they’ll be happy with the royalties and patent revenue. Clearly, companies like Panasonic want to have the first consumer players available in the spring. And let’s not forget Pioneer, LG or Samsung. I do know that Philips will be shipping the first PC Blu-ray Disc drives in early spring, according to a source at Philips.

So, these next few months will be critical, as everyone tries to get their ducks in a row. Can history repeat itself? Can Blu-ray Disc harness lightning in a bottle again like DVD has? Only time will tell. But the bottom-line is that this is an exciting time to be developing next-generation high definition digital TV products that will take us well into the third millennium.

Link: http://news.designtechnica.com/featured_article35.html

That last part of the article really worries me, if what doherty said is really true, that could mean that there won’t be enough blue diodes for a Spring launch of the ps3. If the Bluy-Ray supporters decide to launch ahead of the ps3, then, there won’t be enough consoles for a global launch. Or even though the ps3 can be ready for a ps3 launch, we could not receive a huge quantity of consoles, so we could face the same fate of the 360 launch with big console shortages.

Lefein
December 13th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Ahhh, I love it! BD-Rom is going to rule!

BTW, the spring release worries are for the BD-Rom movie players, not PS3. The analyst was raising concerns that the PS3 would take all the resources from Sonys movie-player business, not vice versa.

At the same time, it would be more beneficial for Sony to go forward with the PS3 because they will still be making money off the other movie players anyways.

We might actually get the PS3 sooner than later. It would be a good consolation prize for other companies in the Blue-Ray Association to get their movie players to market before Sony and it frees up Sony's manufacturing to push the PS3 properly..

HAHA!

Terarrim
December 13th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Good article that. PS3 will have a BD player so wether they do a stand alone or not they still stand the best chance of pushing their BD's out to members of the public rather than Panasonic etc. After all the PS3 have allot more features than other BD players and will be cheaper to boot :P.

Boogie Woogie
December 13th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Yet another weapon in the impressive Sony arsenal which includes the Cell . Beaaauuuuutiful !!! :D

Angelcurio
December 13th, 2005, 07:36 PM
Ahhh, I love it! BD-Rom is going to rule!

BTW, the spring release worries are for the BD-Rom movie players, not PS3. The analyst was raising concerns that the PS3 would take all the resources from Sonys movie-player business, not vice versa.

At the same time, it would be more beneficial for Sony to go forward with the PS3 because they will still be making money off the other movie players anyways.

We might actually get the PS3 sooner than later. It would be a good consolation prize for other companies in the Blue-Ray Association to get their movie players to market before Sony and it frees up Sony's manufacturing to push the PS3 properly..

HAHA!
Now that i re-read the article, what you said really makes sense. So i bet Sony will go for the PS3, since the PS3 is the main weapon of the Blue-Ray camp for pushing sales of Blue-Ray players and putting subsidized players in consumers hands. And besides, the other companies making BD players will have to pay royalties to Sony, so it's a win-win situation for Sony. Maybe those royalties will be used to cover the money loose that Sony will take when the first PS3's arrive.

BTW, if Sony receive royalties for BD, the is it posible for Sony to let Game Developers make their games in BD without paying royalties as a move to avoid a price increase in PS3 games compared with the actual ps2 game retail prices?

Bhav
December 13th, 2005, 07:36 PM
i think sony will push the ps3 before blu-ray players, because people are more likely to buy a games consoles that plays blu-ray movies for ~$400, than a blu-ray player (that doesnt play games) for ~$1000.

Lefein
December 13th, 2005, 07:43 PM
BTW, if Sony receive royalties for BD, the is it posible for Sony to let Game Developers make their games in BD without paying royalties as a move to avoid a price increase in PS3 games compared with the actual ps2 game retail prices?

I'm fairly sure the subject has been brought up in many contract negotiations ;)

Don't forget, Sony also has this little thing called "Cell" they'd love to put in every living room possible as well. They could sacrifice an early movie player easily because they are pushing more than just Blue-Ray with the PS3, after all.

Oh boy, this is really starting to turn the heat up when you think about it. CES should be a reaaal eye opener.

Terarrim
December 13th, 2005, 07:48 PM
Wonder if thats why they got such a high sqr. footage. Think of it everyone is thinking of CES in terms of individual products. What if the CES show is going to be a Sony vision of the future thing. I.E. They link the PS3, the Blue Ray tech. TV with cell tech etc to show their true unified vision of where their going for in home entertainment/media capabilities. If this is the case then I expect to see many more nay sayers on forums everywhere saying "no way is that going to happen" lol.

Angelcurio
December 13th, 2005, 08:00 PM
Now i'm really nervoues about this CES event. It's incredible how thing change with time. 12 years ago, a console sought with skepticism in Sony Executives Board, now is what is taking the lead in Sony's console bussines, almost like the future of almost all of Sony divisions depend in the succes of the ps3. The ps3 produced in masses, mean cell chips and BD produced in massed, what is translated in reduction in production costs, specially in those two key components, cell and Blue-ray, that will be used in a lot of Sony devices. They will be selling in big numbers, and will be produced by a really low price. Sony will really win big with the ps3. just thinking in the future of sony, and all the responsability riding in the ps3 arms, almost gives me a heart attack :shock:

Cody
December 14th, 2005, 03:29 AM
You guys seem to forget that if Blu-ray comes out in the PS3 first it will mean double the errors. by the time the console is a year old we will probably have alot of disk reading problems, I don't like that. Remember Blu-ray is a blessing but it is also a potential curse.

I want to know if Cell will be in standard Blu-ray players. Cell can output multiple HD signals so it would be cool, you could watch the HD movie from other spots in your house, of course this tech already exist's but not for high definition, and if it would allow the users to use the same disk and watch two tottaly diffrent parts of the movies instead of seeing the exact same thing it would be amazing.

Lefein
December 14th, 2005, 03:40 AM
Just one more thing... Remember Kronos? The BR also implicates all of those strategic alliances as well. Chew on that.

PS3in1080p
December 14th, 2005, 04:29 AM
My question is how good of a machine (the physical hardware) will the PS3 be? Will it be considered a top-of-the-line Blu-Ray disk player once it comes out or will it be similar to that of the PS2 when that included a DVD player inside? PS2 was a decent DVD player but nothing special.

casualkiss
December 14th, 2005, 05:26 AM
almost like the future of almost all of Sony divisions depend in the succes of the ps3.

Yep, I think that is 100% correct.

The electronics business is not highly profitable anymore, and will never be again as depreciation of hardware continues to excelerate. The movie business can be ok but its hit and miss, and the music industry is too sad to talk about.

The future of Sony lies in the PS3 game royalties, chips, 10 Spiderman sequals, and intellectual patents.

The PS3 is the key to all of this. Its a "bet the company" situation!

Firewarrior
December 25th, 2005, 04:58 PM
90% of the CE Industry and supported by all IT Industry excpet MS :shock:

Zero_
December 25th, 2005, 05:44 PM
There are more than just Microsoft, but Microsoft is the only one -not- supporting Blu Ray. I think there was another.. Intel I think it was.

Hunnter
December 26th, 2005, 04:15 PM
You guys seem to forget that if Blu-ray comes out in the PS3 first it will mean double the errors. by the time the console is a year old we will probably have alot of disk reading problems
How would that be?
Blu-ray isnt DVD, PS3 isnt PS2, they are completely different things, it wont mean they'll have the same errors just cause they share the same name...
Although i do admit they will possibly have some errors

One thing in this article that really caught my attention was the backwards compatability for DVD players
The fact that it can have DVD9 content on the same side of the Blu-ray content just rips a new one for HD-DVD
It now has nothing against Blu-ray now, apart from short-term cheaper production costs...oh where'd that short-term come from :roll: