Do you think we should pull out of Iraq.

[prisoner_of_war]

Well, as the topic clearly states, do you think that this would be a wise Idea. I do not think so, as it would make a very good opportunity for the terrorist's to invade America. There was a Marine that had recently came back from Iraq, on the Glenn Beck show and they were discussing this matter a few nights ago, Glenn Beck asked the Marine, "So, what would happen if we pulled out?" And the Marine said that when he was in Iraq, there were hardly no Iraqi combatants, but mainly, Saudis, Pakistanis, Egyptians, and Iranians, they were the only ones that were fighting. He also said that if we pulled out, they would bring the fight to America, as it would be easier for them, all the terrorists want to do, is wipe out western civilization. As I stated earlier, I think that this would endanger the American citizens, as well as anyone else opposing the terrorists.

[killzone_71]

Im not American but, i no longer want to see another Brave American soldier die...

IMO, the situation is similar to the events that took place in 1993 in Somalia, Africa... American soldiers are in a middle of a civil war...

[$_KD_]

in my opinion i do think they should pull all soldiers from the battle, i mean they are fighting against everybody there it is a pure open ended war. the same happend in Vietnam U.S had to pull the soldiers out because of the men they were losing and man i think the Government(puppet master) is playing with these soldiers as using them just for Oil and other secret stuff.

[prisoner_of_war]

Well, let's look at it this way,

*3632* That's the casualties of the Americans since the Beginning of the war.

*258,000* That's the number of American's in the Civil war dead.

And, also think, that if we pull out, the terrorists would invade, and cause much more death in America, and they probably wouldn't be soldier deaths, innocent people, children. Therefore, we have to keep the fight on their soil.

[jakncoke]

This is a very difficult decision for me , on 1 hand if we pull out all the soldiers that died...died for nothing. on the other hand if we pull out no more can die but the government will fall most likely. Other than getting Saddam out and killing some terroists we really haven't done much and we all remember the WMD's that was supposed to be there. So really what's Bush's secret agenda? I mean he has to have something going on in that head that states that we should stay? I've thought about this many times and does anyone else think that it's possible that there just stealing oil? I mean sure it's a low pct. of actually happening but if the news were to come across today that it were happening I would not be surprised.

[$_KD_]

This is a very difficult decision for me , on 1 hand if we pull out all the soldiers that died...died for nothing. on the other hand if we pull out no more can die but the government will fall most likely. Other than getting Saddam out and killing some terroists we really haven't done much and we all remember the WMD's that was supposed to be there. So really what's Bush's secret agenda? I mean he has to have something going on in that head that states that we should stay? I've thought about this many times and does anyone else think that it's possible that there just stealing oil? I mean sure it's a low pct. of actually happening but if the news were to come across today that it were happening I would not be surprised.

yeah man i agree with you like i have stated before this is being planned good that we are being fooled of what's really going on over there.

[Ixquiz]

I didn't agree with them being sent in the first place, but now that they are there I feel that the right thing to do is to finish what they started or this probelm will repeat itself again...Sure it is sad that American troops are being killed, but war is always a possibiliity for those who join the armed forces, so those who joined just to go to school for free should not complain because thats is what they signed up for

[linuxlainen]

Let the facts speak for themselves:
* Iraq had nothing to do with with the attacks done against the US. At least this is what the latest CIA, Pentagon....bla bla bla reports say
* Iraq had no relation with al-qaida before the attack... (big success for US army, now al-qaida has its own base in Iraq)
* Before the attack against Iraq, the whole world was supportive to the US. Now, you can count only few who are supportive to the current US administration.
* None of the planned goals was achieved after attacking Iraq, except getting control over huge amount of oil....

Do you really still think the US army should still remain there?

[Zetsumei]

I believe when the new US president steps in... all this will be over... (hopefully)

[prisoner_of_war]

Yes, I do think they should stay there, listen to what the soldiers who have returned home have to say. Iraq, is just a battleground. You've seen what the terrorist's can do, haven't you? The bombings in London, the Train attack in Spain, now, imagine what would happen, if we let them on our soil?! That would be common event's in our life. And if you think, that if we just leave, the terrorists would just, leave us alone? No, they wouldn't, all they want to do is end the western way of life, they wouldn't just say,"Sure you leave us alone and we'll do the same to you". No, you never make deals with terrorists!Let the facts speak for themselves:
* Iraq had nothing to do with with the attacks done against the US. At least this is what the latest CIA, Pentagon....bla bla bla reports say
* Iraq had no relation with al-qaida before the attack... (big success for US army, now al-qaida has its own base in Iraq)
* Before the attack against Iraq, the whole world was supportive to the US. Now, you can count only few who are supportive to the current US administration.
* None of the planned goals was achieved after attacking Iraq, except getting control over huge amount of oil....

Do you really still think the US army should still remain there?

[linuxlainen]

With all respect, but I think you are missing the point in here.
Check the first 2 points I have listed.
In short I think you can say, the US army is barking under the wrong tree

[prisoner_of_war]

Umm, I didn't get that, can you explain?With all respect, but I think you are missing the point in here.
Check the first 2 points I have listed.
In short I think you can say, the US army is barking under the wrong tree

[jakncoke]

This may be wrong but I think he's saying that the terroists aren't in Iraq that there in another region like suspected Syria(I think that's one of em) , Pakistan , Iran and just coming in to do the problems

[Vulgotha]

Nope. We shouldn't.


(5 word limit thing...)

[DayWalker]

if the surge fails then we should leave.

And Maybe go check out what the hell is going on in Pakistan.
And recharge for Iran.

[linuxlainen]

What I am saying is, after thorough investigations by the US itself, it was proven that Bosh's administration claims of Iraq's relation to al-qaidah and 9-11 attack were not valid. Thus, the US attack against Iraq was unjustifiable. Well.. of course the oil is "good" reason...

Being in Iraq or attacking other countries will not help. Instead, it will just make things worse and create even more enemies. Look at Iraq now is it really any better place? Is the US any safer???

To fight terrorists, you send an army to attack the terrorists' bases. But, you never bomb the whole country, unless you have a hidden agenda...

[daevv]

It doesn't matter at this point.....the place is FUBAR anyways!
If they leave it's still FUBAR without oil, or stay and FUBAR with oil...either way people are getting rich off the whole thing!
No one is safer now...be it soldier, commoner, police, goverment offical, or smurf....

[soldier one]

The way i see it is like this

That place is dedicated to being the way they are. I mean look we take the most evil guy out of there then we give them democracy and what do thay do? Go vote in a guy that is just as bad in some cases. The place is destroyed and there is nothing we can do.

So in my opinion we should of never went there to begin with. But i dont think we should pull out now that we are there. We pull out and we will loose just as many men if not more while doing that, and then they will think they have won and possibly bring the war home. So no we need to stay until we start getting a slight advantage.

[prisoner_of_war]

Yes, that is all I'm saying. Once we beat the terrorists, we could pull out. But, for now, it's too unsafe to pull out, once we find Osama, that will scare of al-qaeda. Therefore making it a little safer to pull out. It takes time though.The way i see it is like this

That place is dedicated to being the way they are. I mean look we take the most evil guy out of there then we give them democracy and what do thay do? Go vote in a guy that is just as bad in some cases. The place is destroyed and there is nothing we can do.

So in my opinion we should of never went there to begin with. But i dont think we should pull out now that we are there. We pull out and we will loose just as many men if not more while doing that, and then they will think they have won and possibly bring the war home. So no we need to stay until we start getting a slight advantage.

[DayWalker]

Yes, that is all I'm saying. Once we beat the terrorists, we could pull out. But, for now, it's too unsafe to pull out, once we find Osama, that will scare of al-qaeda. Therefore making it a little safer to pull out. It takes time though.

Are we even looking for Osama anymore???

last I heard Bush isn't even concerned with him anymore and the man is kickin it up in Pakistan... where we have no troops.

So much for that whole "if you harbor terrorist, you're are enemy" rhetoric.

Give the surge a chance and then get the **** out.
Democracy is not something you can hand over on a silver platter... sometimes it has to be fought for and bled over... (See the USA)

[prisoner_of_war]

Yeah, were still looking for Osama, this might be a rumor, but I've heard we have the seals out there, and we've hired mercs. They should get the job done a little faster.Are we even looking for Osama anymore???

last I heard Bush isn't even concerned with him anymore and the man is kickin it up in Pakistan... where we have no troops.

So much for that whole "if you harbor terrorist, you're are enemy" rhetoric.

Give the surge a chance and then get the **** out.
Democracy is not something you can hand over on a silver platter... sometimes it has to be fought for and bled over... (See the USA)

[soldier one]

Yeah, were still looking for Osama, this might be a rumor, but I've heard we have the seals out there, and we've hired mercs. They should get the job done a little faster.
Yea i heard a good deal of the reservs went out there from AZ, i have a bunch of family in friends in the reserves that said they are possibly heading to afganistan or how ever you spell it.

Osama is a wuss and is hiding in a hole somewhere, so of course its hard to find them. Just that country isnt fighting with him like Iraq is so we dont need as many troops. We got the air force there and thats all we need lol, throw a bomb here and there, scare them off, and send in the seals.

[Sventax]

Well it's not only the American's bt also all the INNOCENT iraqie people who are dying by BUSHes every day. A trillion dollar fiasco....they need to get as much oil as possible to make good what they have lost...and beleive me the they will never get it out ...so they will be staying there for a long time...Turkey will take the war away from the Americans for a bit when they will soon invade Iraq to take out the hill dwellers and confiscate the oil region for the US for a percentage ofcours....You can pull them out but the war will continue for at least 5 years...it is a tendency of the US government to wage war and never finish what they tend to claim.......like the Afghan war..... they know were the Taliban people reside but they don't attack.....a few afghan people told me...the Americans take big machinery to the mountain...it's not military equipment.....they are drills and other mining equipment......because the hills in Afghanistan are loaded with gold. diamonds and other precious metals... the US government is cheating on it's own people by feeding them lies...Osama is created by the US government........and it's hard for me to conceive that a bunch of hill/desert people pulled that 9/11 thing off..... it's all about multi and multi billions of hard cash..........So is the iraq war a multi billion gazillion operation....CRUDE OIL....not the people...because they are also wsted by US soldiers.......for me personally they should move out right now.....they act like parasites.....but the problem has grown bigger.......a mass scale civil war....if the US moves out......so they are in a precurious situation....if they back out they will be the laughing stock in the middle east and Asia...especially Russia....and in europa France will have a go at the US GOVERNMENT.........SO what to do....?

Ow another thing....why in the hell are there 32 kinda nationalities invading Afhanistan???????????? to spread the loot and keep everybody shut...so nobody talks of it........slavery V.O.C........Slavery modern time Roman Soldiers

[$_KD_]

there is no way you can defeat a terrorist or at least wipe them out, they are like cockroaches.

[linuxlainen]

To support your port Seventax's statement: "Osama is created by the US government........and it's hard for me to conceive that a bunch of hill/desert people pulled that 9/11 thing off"
watch this video from Google:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6714356054823827684&q=911&total=61156&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

There are plenty of these documentaries on the web. Just make a simple search of 911 on google videos and see for yourself how much we have been fooled

[DayWalker]

^^^can some please show me where it says tower 7 fell "becasue of a small fire"

Why don't people ever question the weirdos on youtube???

[prisoner_of_war]

Now, where in the hell did you here that we were mining in Afganistan?! We would not be doing that! And at linuxlainen (http://ps3forums.com/member.php?u=45283), is it hard for you to see that the same hill dwelling wusses bombed the trains in Spain, of almost injured many people at that Scottish airport? These people that we are dealing with are master minds, they know how to create homemade bombs, and they also know how to ill many people. These people aren't idiots! There dangerous, smart terrorists.Well it's not only the American's bt also all the INNOCENT iraqie people who are dying by BUSHes every day. A trillion dollar fiasco....they need to get as much oil as possible to make good what they have lost...and beleive me the they will never get it out ...so they will be staying there for a long time...Turkey will take the war away from the Americans for a bit when they will soon invade Iraq to take out the hill dwellers and confiscate the oil region for the US for a percentage ofcours....You can pull them out but the war will continue for at least 5 years...it is a tendency of the US government to wage war and never finish what they tend to claim.......like the Afghan war..... they know were the Taliban people reside but they don't attack.....a few afghan people told me...the Americans take big machinery to the mountain...it's not military equipment.....they are drills and other mining equipment......because the hills in Afghanistan are loaded with gold. diamonds and other precious metals... the US government is cheating on it's own people by feeding them lies...Osama is created by the US government........and it's hard for me to conceive that a bunch of hill/desert people pulled that 9/11 thing off..... it's all about multi and multi billions of hard cash..........So is the iraq war a multi billion gazillion operation....CRUDE OIL....not the people...because they are also wsted by US soldiers.......for me personally they should move out right now.....they act like parasites.....but the problem has grown bigger.......a mass scale civil war....if the US moves out......so they are in a precurious situation....if they back out they will be the laughing stock in the middle east and Asia...especially Russia....and in europa France will have a go at the US GOVERNMENT.........SO what to do....?

Ow another thing....why in the hell are there 32 kinda nationalities invading Afhanistan???????????? to spread the loot and keep everybody shut...so nobody talks of it........slavery V.O.C........Slavery modern time Roman Soldiers

[soldier one]

there is no way you can defeat a terrorist or at least wipe them out, they are like cockroaches.

One counties terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.
and it's hard for me to conceive that a bunch of hill/desert people pulled that 9/11 thing off.....
First be carefull and dont say 9/11 thing, people including me take that day seriously, just say 9/11.

Also i dont see why they couldnt have done it? I mean they are not complete ******s and they have the capabilities to board a plane.... It doesnt take a rocket scinetist to think "Lets go hijack a plane and crash it"

Also if we wanted the gold whats stopping us from taking it? After all how was the US created? I doubt the "government" would go and take live of innocent people in our own country, and cause a huge tragedy just to get gold. If they wanted to do something like that they would of just said we were threatened or something. Also look at how many other countries theese A holes bombed and a caused destruction, did the US do that too?

I agree with you on the fact the government hides things everyday but they wouldnt be that stupid.

[Grym]

It's impossible to stop all terrorism. Even your mom could be a terrorist, you know.

But I think you should pull out. Just sort out the mess you have made for the civilians before you leave.

[jakncoke]

Yeah that pisses me off when the tinfoil heads that like conspiracy's try and blame the government for 9/11, I call total BS on that . Also on Osama I think we'll never find him because he's either in Pakistan or Iran or dead and that latter is not that impossible he was old as dirt looking...or at least looked like it...live in the 3rd world country where the life expectancy can't be that high and if Wiki is right he's 50(he looks so much older). Also wasn't there a rumor that he died from malaria like 1.5 years ago?

[Janv1er]

YES !!!
Stop the war !! Start the Peace !!
442 billion $ spent to KILL, instead of helping your own country.
With that money, he could have given 19 000$ to every Iraqi person.
This war is leading nowhere and helping nobody.

On top of that, they spend 50 billion every year on the Pentagon which is more than the 2 other biggest spending country's combined !!

Anyone pro-war must STOP believing Bush.
I don't see HOW the Iraqi terrorists could ever invade the USA...

[prisoner_of_war]

I don't see HOW the Iraqi terrorists could ever invade the USA...
Now, please explain your idiotic fact? Why couldn't they? Hell, they killed over 500 people that one day, what makes you think that they "couldn't" invade.
Also wasn't there a rumor that he died from malaria like 1.5 years ago?
Well, he's not dead, haven't you seen that new video of him, calling all terrorists for a "holy war" against the western life?

[Sventax]

Now, where in the hell did you here that we were mining in Afganistan?! We would not be doing that! And at linuxlainen (http://ps3forums.com/member.php?u=45283), is it hard for you to see that the same hill dwelling wusses bombed the trains in Spain, of almost injured many people at that Scottish airport? These people that we are dealing with are master minds, they know how to create homemade bombs, and they also know how to ill many people. These people aren't idiots! There dangerous, smart terrorists.


FROM loads and loads of Afghany refugees who are now in Holland.......they told me a lot and enough........they told me about all kinda different soldiers there for what purpose.....they do nothing against the taliban..they are every were..... they can pin point every position...but they let them ago.....
Osama could have been made cold at least three times...official video's state this.....

And the mining equipment, it is true......because I saw a photo of somekinda drill..... the soldiers are protecting the mining operations and the oil.

[DayWalker]

FROM loads and loads of Afghany refugees who are now in Holland.......they told me a lot and enough........they told me about all kinda different soldiers there for what purpose.....they do nothing against the taliban..they are every were..... they can pin point every position...but they let them ago.....
Osama could have been made cold at least three times...official video's state this.....

And the mining equipment, it is true......because I saw a photo of somekinda drill..... the soldiers are protecting the mining operations and the oil.

I heard the only thing of any value in Afghanistan is opium...

[Sventax]

One counties terrorist is another countries freedom fighter.

First be carefull and dont say 9/11 thing, people including me take that day seriously, just say 9/11.

Also i dont see why they couldnt have done it? I mean they are not complete ******s and they have the capabilities to board a plane.... It doesnt take a rocket scinetist to think "Lets go hijack a plane and crash it"

Also if we wanted the gold whats stopping us from taking it? After all how was the US created? I doubt the "government" would go and take live of innocent people in our own country, and cause a huge tragedy just to get gold. If they wanted to do something like that they would of just said we were threatened or something. Also look at how many other countries theese A holes bombed and a caused destruction, did the US do that too?

I agree with you on the fact the government hides things everyday but they wouldnt be that stupid.

Hijacking a plane is very possible for them.....They have very smart people.....

Why would you start something illegal?? you won't be taken serous anymore by the world community and it would make it more dangerous for them to live in the world community.......it is easy to kill a thief then a cop...won't you agree??

The governments all over the world cheat their people.....China, AFRIKA, Europe, USA and a few other countries.


DO you think the USA government cares about a few thousands of death people vs 50billion dollar or 100billion dollar. Dollar that is needed to stay dominant? Eventually China and Europe will takeover this role.

Why is America there were there is oil and other precious metals and not in Haiti or other places were there is injustice but not much recources.

Look at Iran, the USa won't dare attack Iran...they are a "threath" to ghosts and the USa......Iran has over 1million soldiers, they have a great army and are almost nuclear capable..... USA is putting pressure on them but Achmadi won't sway......he know that his people are intelligent and strong..... Israel is scared as hell..... Again the USA wants to wage a ware they can't win.... they also have oil...but not as much as iraq.
USA talks about world stability...but it's all about who is the strongest,,,and by far...the THREE are the strongest...RUSSIA,IRAN & CHINA...... so there will be no war.. for once

back to governments cheating people......the USA is looking for a reason to create an alliance against iran...but it isn't working....the USA have cheaed before and this time if they wage war...they will pay a lot it will costs so much they will tumble down in a instance...giving way to another dominator CHINA who is far worse then the USA.

Politics is a dangerous job......

[Sventax]

YES !!!
Stop the war !! Start the Peace !!
442 billion $ spent to KILL, instead of helping your own country.
With that money, he could have given 19 000$ to every Iraqi person.
This war is leading nowhere and helping nobody.

On top of that, they spend 50 billion every year on the Pentagon which is more than the 2 other biggest spending country's combined !!

Anyone pro-war must STOP believing Bush.
I don't see HOW the Iraqi terrorists could ever invade the USA...

your 17 years old...good to see you thinking like this already

We don't need war....we need respect, understanding.....we need STAR TREK :)

(50billion is the national income of the Dominican Republic and they have almost everything they need)

We should burn all our money....an dwork for another kind of future...mankind is now standing still...they can't get any further.....what will happen if all the oil is gone...all the diamonds are dug up.... artificial diamond...and water for fuel...... why don't we skip this erra and leap to the promised erra.. it's easy all we have to say ...WE DON"T NEED MONEY
Money speeds up our lives.. why can't w live for the future instead of the NOW...now means nothing it's over in 24 hours....and what did you do?? you slaved away your live to pay your rent and food and things you don't need to enjoy your live....

GREED ...why are we so greedy??

War is evil and also a blessing

[Sventax]

This may be wrong but I think he's saying that the terroists aren't in Iraq that there in another region like suspected Syria(I think that's one of em) , Pakistan , Iran and just coming in to do the problems

Pakistan!!!!!!!! which is also heavily funded by the US government....

[Sventax]

To support your port Seventax's statement: "Osama is created by the US government........and it's hard for me to conceive that a bunch of hill/desert people pulled that 9/11 off"
watch this video from Google:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6714356054823827684&q=911&total=61156&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

There are plenty of these documentaries on the web. Just make a simple search of 911 on google videos and see for yourself how much we have been fooled

thnx haven't seen this one before....but I already knew about the destruction of the building it was weir d for me to that it fell on it's foundation and not on to another building...well more prove for me thnx

also Osama has billions were does he keep it?

[prisoner_of_war]

Umm, have you ever heard of the editing button, sventax? And, I don't know if Osama's rich, but he's still alive.

[DINAMO788]

suprisingly i want them back but not now...and it needs to be planned. even if iraq cant hold itself completely just get some safety measures in. we cant be there forever.

[prisoner_of_war]

I agree, I want them out as soon as possible, but I don't want to risk dangers to the mainland, I don't want them stepping on our soil.

[Firefox]

Well, we cannot pull out of Iraq till we form a stable government there. Regardless, there will be
a big civil blood bath if we just pull out.

[DayWalker]

Well, we cannot pull out of Iraq till we form a stable government there. Regardless, there will be
a big civil blood bath if we just pull out.

as opposed to a long slow civil blood bath that is going on now???

Iraq will fall into civil war one way or the other, and in the end it will be broken up into three states.

I'll say it again, if the surge fails get out.
Either way, the next pres will pull out most of the US troops.

We won't be leaving entirely during this lifetime.
Gitmo, Iraq.

[Firefox]

The thing is, there could have been a roadmap to success in Iraq. http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=88075

[StruggleWithin]

It is predicted that we are supposed to start slowly pulling out of Iraq by 08 do I think it will happen? No..We will always have a presence there now..also man POW are you sure you are 11?? You sound much older than you let on..

[jakedubbleya]

Look the poll is like a mirror of Bush's approval rating!

As an American troop lemme just say that dying solely to try and preserve a minimum quality of life for people in poor, violent and corrupt countries is enough of a reason for me. I do not mind being the beacon of goodness, sacrifice, charity and strength to those who need it most.

Principles and Ideals people, I know it's hard to remember them in todays world, but they must at be the heart of a nation at war, not politics and rhetoric.

It's a volunteer Army, remember that.

As to the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and such, Popular Mechanics debunked it a while ago, google it. If you think America is some big corporate scheme, you give it too much credit and too little fidelity, honestly. Not in the world is there such a great country filled with so many people who despise it.

[prisoner_of_war]

I swear to God, I am 11. I'm just really into politics, and games.It is predicted that we are supposed to start slowly pulling out of Iraq by 08 do I think it will happen? No..We will always have a presence there now..also man POW are you sure you are 11?? You sound much older than you let on..

[shcndw]

Money = Power = Oil = More power = Iraq = Oil = Invade. Or even revenge? His father lost against Saddam in the gulf war. Now the UN restricted any Iraqi airforce in Baghdad. Made Iraq weaker, makes Bush happy and invades. Weapons of mass destruction... Where? Most terroists are not even from Iraq, mostly from the surrounding countries or even Europe.

Act of revenge, act of greed or even act of an idiot?

I don't hate any country. I'm a Iraqi myself. I love the american culture. There should be boundaries between the goverment and the army.

[StruggleWithin]

Umm, have you ever heard of the editing button, sventax? And, I don't know if Osama's rich, but he's still alive.

Osama is dead..we killed him in 2004..

[shcndw]

Osama is dead..we killed him in 2004..

Where you get that information from? Osama is not dead.

[prisoner_of_war]

Yeah, Osama's NOT dead, he just released that new video of him calling all terrorists to fight against the allies.Osama is dead..we killed him in 2004..

[wazix2be]

The question you want to ask is; what a hell are you doing down there in the first place?

[Porky Pine]

Yes, that is all I'm saying. Once we beat the terrorists, we could pull out. But, for now, it's too unsafe to pull out, once we find Osama, that will scare of al-qaeda.

That's funny, it sounds like you're actually serious here.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

If we're so concerned about Osama, why are we stuck in Iraq?

[wazix2be]

That's funny, it sounds like you're actually serious here.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

If we're so concerned about Osama, why are we stuck in Iraq?


:) funny:D

Im surprised how many young Americans support Bush and invasion of Iraq:confused:

I think that younger generation supports Bush more than older gen, generation that grow up in 60" who protested against war in Vietnam. Young today are pathetic. They are like lost sheep's.

You do know that Iraq and Saddam Husein had nothing to do with terrorist or Osama Bin Laden or the weapons of mass destruction, right? So what exactly is your goal there? And dont give me that crap how you are helping poor nation of Iraq, because you dont care about them so dont act as you do. When you bail out of there you are going to left behind country in ruins, Country one step in to civil war. Well at least they will have huge celebration when you leave then go back to killing each other. In fact that was your goal all along, get as much oil as possible and to split country in three parts. And then march in with NATO and UN with billions $ of international aid and help them open as much McDonald's as possible:rolleyes:.

Wake up American people and make a difference. Future can be brighter:).

[DayWalker]

^^^^ no way... upper middle class white evangelicals love Bush... and then yeah there kids do too.

I think both sides are sick of him... the countdown continues

[MEMEROOT]

even if america pulls out Iraq is still f***ed.

[ryanworldleader]

Lets get something straight here. After 9/11 we declared a "war on terror". That includes terror supporting countries. And at the time Iraq/Saddam supported terror. And the reason we are still over there is so that Al Qaeda doesn't come to the U.S and start setting off I.E.D's or WMDs. Like other people have said we have to keep the fight on their soil.

The reason i mentioned WMDS is because the Soviets made lots of suitcase nukes that dissapeared on the black market. Where are they now? Some may have been captured by the U.S. or some may be in the hands of Al Qaeda. And with our low CANADIAN border security, it should be easy to smuggle one of them into the U.S. Then say goodbye to 2 square miles of NYC.

And i'm not a big fan of Bush, but he's made the right decisions when it comes to Iraq.

BTW, does ANYONE but me know that we are in Afghanistan as well as Iraq and Pakistan?

[udontneed2know]

Most people who scream " stop war make peace " have absolutely no understanding of the real world, or the " war " we are in at the moment. Really not a war in Iraq, but pretty much just trying to rebuild what has been broken by Saddam for the past 30 years while at the same time killing as many Al-Queda members as possible and destroying as much of their capabilities as possible.

Noone seems to understand reality right now, mainly because they are too afraid of it. The reality is terrorism in its current state can never be destroyed or conquered. Why? Because it is a religious idealism, nothing more, nothing less. These radical islamists as they are called believe in the Koran, which states in plain writing that Christians and Jews are enemies of God, rebels of God, which they name Infidels. Anyone not Muslim is essentially an enemy. Either you convert to the Muslim religion or you are subject to death. Those in Iraq are attacking their own civilians for political reasons, not because they are fighting each other. Those who are blowing themselves up know very well how connected the world is, I mean hell they have their own websites. They know the more people die, civilians and soldiers ( funny how we are so selfish we only care about voluntary soldiers deaths and now civilian deaths ) the more liberals will push to get us out of there, even when we are winning the " war " hands down. Every single town we enter we cleanse of terrorists. Every single battle we enter we win. How is this losing? I would love to know also.

But anyway. Should we pull out? Of course not. We will just have to go back in within another 3 years to stop the next Radical islamic regime that has taken over the population. The only way victory can be achieved is for the enemy to lose its will to fight. And they will never lose that will to fight when they can turn on the television or go on the internet and see our own politicians and heads of congress stating we are losing the war and must leave because we are losing so badly. How do you think that makes the enemy feel when they see American politicians stating in public that we are losing the war, badly and how it was a huge mistake to go there in the first place.

Then you have Iran able to say anything at all to anyone, and do anything, without consequence. We will lose this war, if a Democrat enters office, and losing this war means losing alot more then just face. Terrorists around the world will be strengthened in their cause and know full well that all it takes is the death of some civilians for America, Israel, Britain, and any other nation willing to fight them, to tuck tail and run away.

We are entering a critical stage in the history of this planet. If you don't want your local muslims walking the streets blowing up local churches then people better wake up to the real world. Some fights are worth fighting, and this is the first one since WWII that is really worth the effort. And we are not losing, not even close. 5 years, 3,000 soldiers deaths. That may be the lowest tally in the history of humankind and wars. People need to show some backbone, show some sign of intelligence and some sign of passion or willpower. We are showcasing to the world just how weak this country really is, and how ignorant its civilians is. And this is no time for weakness or ignorance, because this enemy is being told by God that what they are doing is just fine in his eyes, not only fine but that they will be rewarded for it.

[wazix2be]

Most people who scream " stop war make peace " have absolutely no understanding of the real world, or the " war " we are in at the moment. Really not a war in Iraq, but pretty much just trying to rebuild what has been broken by Saddam for the past 30 years while at the same time killing as many Al-Queda members as possible and destroying as much of their capabilities as possible.

Noone seems to understand reality right now, mainly because they are too afraid of it. The reality is terrorism in its current state can never be destroyed or conquered. Why? Because it is a religious idealism, nothing more, nothing less. These radical islamists as they are called believe in the Koran, which states in plain writing that Christians and Jews are enemies of God, rebels of God, which they name Infidels. Anyone not Muslim is essentially an enemy. Either you convert to the Muslim religion or you are subject to death. Those in Iraq are attacking their own civilians for political reasons, not because they are fighting each other. Those who are blowing themselves up know very well how connected the world is, I mean hell they have their own websites. They know the more people die, civilians and soldiers ( funny how we are so selfish we only care about voluntary soldiers deaths and now civilian deaths ) the more liberals will push to get us out of there, even when we are winning the " war " hands down. Every single town we enter we cleanse of terrorists. Every single battle we enter we win. How is this losing? I would love to know also.

But anyway. Should we pull out? Of course not. We will just have to go back in within another 3 years to stop the next Radical islamic regime that has taken over the population. The only way victory can be achieved is for the enemy to lose its will to fight. And they will never lose that will to fight when they can turn on the television or go on the internet and see our own politicians and heads of congress stating we are losing the war and must leave because we are losing so badly. How do you think that makes the enemy feel when they see American politicians stating in public that we are losing the war, badly and how it was a huge mistake to go there in the first place.

Then you have Iran able to say anything at all to anyone, and do anything, without consequence. We will lose this war, if a Democrat enters office, and losing this war means losing alot more then just face. Terrorists around the world will be strengthened in their cause and know full well that all it takes is the death of some civilians for America, Israel, Britain, and any other nation willing to fight them, to tuck tail and run away.

We are entering a critical stage in the history of this planet. If you don't want your local muslims walking the streets blowing up local churches then people better wake up to the real world. Some fights are worth fighting, and this is the first one since WWII that is really worth the effort. And we are not losing, not even close. 5 years, 3,000 soldiers deaths. That may be the lowest tally in the history of humankind and wars. People need to show some backbone, show some sign of intelligence and some sign of passion or willpower. We are showcasing to the world just how weak this country really is, and how ignorant its civilians is. And this is no time for weakness or ignorance, because this enemy is being told by God that what they are doing is just fine in his eyes, not only fine but that they will be rewarded for it.

LOL!! This is why everybody hates you. You are pathetic. USA did not go to Iraq because of terrorist or Osama Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda. There wasn't any terrorist in Iraq until you show up:rolleyes:. What has Iraqi people done wrong to your country and American people prior your invasion?

Majority of Iraqis was against USA invasion but you come anyway with false pretenses of BS story of Weapons of mass destruction and lies about Saddam Hussein connection with terrorist.
Whole war is one big lie and disgrace to the human race. Sham on you who are supporting this madness.

It seems to me that you are the ones who are religious fanatics. This is crusades all over again...

USA and Israel are cause of terrorist activities. No if no but. Why cant you stay in USA and worry about your own problems, God knows you got plenty of them. Im closer to Iraq or Iran, but Im not afraid of them, why should I? If they attack us we will defend ourselves, we did it before and we will did it again. UN is there too, that is their job right? To make sure that WW3 never happen. You are saying that UN is weak and pathetic but you forget that USA made it weak. UN was against invasion of Iraq but did that stop you? And how can UN stop country who is strongest link in that organisation?

If nation have crazy leader or they are having civil war, what that have to do with me? That is they own problem. I experienced it in my country in early 90".

Truth is that Saddam was only thing that was holding Iraq together and eventually when he would die the country would fall into civil war and split into three parts. You only speed up that natural process but with more destruction and casualties. You did nothing good really...

Put yourself in shoes of one Iraqi boy of lets say 16 years old. Can you imagine what life he has and in what fear he lives every day? Imagine the hate that is building inside of his heart against USA and their power? It doesnt surprise me that USA soldiers are dying every day in Iraq. If I was Iraqi I would gladly kill every USA soldier just so they can leave my country alone.

You are living in comfort and only real problems you have is how to pay the builds and get the money to buy games.( yeah Im close to that as well ) That Iraqi boy only have fear and hate, think about that...

[Porky Pine]

Lets get something straight here. After 9/11 we declared a "war on terror". That includes terror supporting countries. And at the time Iraq/Saddam supported terror.

And what is the result of this "War on Terror"? Al Qaeda recruitment is up and terrorism is on the rise. How's that "War on Terror" working out for you?

And the reason we are still over there is so that Al Qaeda doesn't come to the U.S and start setting off I.E.D's or WMDs.Iraq had nothing to do with Al Qaeda prior to the war. In fact, they and Saddam were enemies. Look what's happened now.

Like other people have said we have to keep the fight on their soil.Yes. Because while they're blowing up soldiers, they're too busy to look on a map to find a route to America. :rolleyes:

The reason i mentioned WMDS is because the Soviets made lots of suitcase nukes that dissapeared on the black market.Nope. They didn't (http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/020923.htm).

The "mythological" qualities of suitcase nukes derive not only from limited information--this is a common feature in almost everything concerning Russian nuclear weapons--but primarily from the fact that almost all available information dates to a very brief period (the second half of 1997 and early 1998) and is not very reliable. Comments about suitcase nukes are conspicuously absent in open sources prior to 1997. For example, one of the most authoritative Russian treatises on nonstrategic nuclear weapons published by the Institute of World Economy and International Relations does not mention them.Where are they now?None existent.

Some may have been captured by the U.S. or some may be in the hands of Al Qaeda.

Pretty hard to capture something that doesn't exist.

And with our low CANADIAN border security, it should be easy to smuggle one of them into the U.S.Can't smuggle something that doesn't exist into the country.

Then say goodbye to 2 square miles of NYC.Can't blow up NYC with a non-existent bomb either.

And i'm not a big fan of Bush, but he's made the right decisions when it comes to Iraq.Like going in with to few troops, no armor, no armored humvees, let the ammo depots get raided and how's that WMD search going? Did he find them under his desk yet?

BTW, does ANYONE but me know that we are in Afghanistan as well as Iraq and Pakistan?We got more cops in NYC than we have troops in those two countries. Yup, going to find Osama anyday now.

[Vulgotha]

Advocates of the false flag theory need to shut up.

You dishonor all the lives lost on 9\11.

[Porky Pine]

Advocates of the false flag theory need to shut up.

You dishonor all the lives lost on 9\11.

Don't know if I should be insulted or not. What exactly is the "False Flag Theory"?

[Sventax]

I heard the only thing of any value in Afghanistan is opium...

And over 40 oil wells plus the gold in the mountains ??

[Sventax]

YES !!!
Stop the war !! Start the Peace !!
442 billion $ spent to KILL, instead of helping your own country.
With that money, he could have given 19 000$ to every Iraqi person.
This war is leading nowhere and helping nobody.

On top of that, they spend 50 billion every year on the Pentagon which is more than the 2 other biggest spending country's combined !!

Anyone pro-war must STOP believing Bush.
I don't see HOW the Iraqi terrorists could ever invade the USA...

Your a frenchy. salute ..but I must let the American Citizen know tha your government is lending about 125million dollar each day..your country is bankrupt...you people should do something about it and demand from your government to wage less war. Europe is very much helping the USA so is Japan with financial transactions. And I as a tax payer can feel the strain on everybody here in Holland.

War is good, but this going to far now...
Don't you get tired of watching the news and you see war allover ...

[Vulgotha]

Don't know if I should be insulted or not. What exactly is the "False Flag Theory"?


The "False Flag" Theory is basically when the government attacks itself\populace in order to get the people to rally behind a cause.

In this case Iraq\Afghanistant, and 9\11 was the "Supposed" catalyst to get the people behind it.

[wazix2be]

Advocates of the false flag theory need to shut up.

You dishonor all the lives lost on 9\11.

Your government are dishonouring lives lost on 9/11 when they doing business with Saudi Arabia when is well known fact that terrorist who "supposedly" are responsible for 9/11 have been born in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is known for suporting terrorist who are against Izrael. And Osama Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia too. You should look for him there...

[Vulgotha]

Your government are dishonouring lives lost on 9/11 when they doing business with Saudi Arabia when is well known fact that terrorist who "supposedly" are responsible for 9/11 have been born in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is known for suporting terrorist who are against Izrael. And Osama Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia too. You should look for him there...


Sadly thats how the world works. I'm fairly certain your country does business with them too.

You can't simply attack a sovereign nation unless you can prove without a shadow of a doubt they're directly financing\aiding terroism, and even that alone isn't typically enough. Thanks to worthless organizations like the UN (biggest joke in the planet's history).

Besides Saudi Arabia is one of our primary sources for oil, and is a HUGE member of OPEC.

Thanks to our Greenpeace freaks over here we can't drill in Anwar or other places for fear of endangering "Wildlife". So we have to let Saudi Arabia\OPEC teaspoon us their oil until we either A. tell the enviromentalists to shove off or B. Developer a practical and effecient alternative fuel source.


Sadly there isn't much we can really do. Though I do agree that Saudi Arabia is a dirt bag country. Along with most of the middle east.

[jakncoke]

Your a frenchy. salute ..but I must let the American Citizen know tha your government is lending about 125million dollar each day..your country is bankrupt...you people should do something about it and demand from your government to wage less war. Europe is very much helping the USA so is Japan with financial transactions. And I as a tax payer can feel the strain on everybody here in Holland.

War is good, but this going to far now...
Don't you get tired of watching the news and you see war allover ...

The national debt has always far down for a long time, the USA is not bankrupt..lol , our economy would even better if big corporations would stop outsourcing. I'm sure the debt is a couple trillion or so and we're still kicking as a country and just remember if we fall the rest of the world will be having problems.

[Porky Pine]

The "False Flag" Theory is basically when the government attacks itself\populace in order to get the people to rally behind a cause.

In this case Iraq\Afghanistant, and 9\11 was the "Supposed" catalyst to get the people behind it.

Ah, gotch'a. Totally agree with you there.

[Vulgotha]

Ah, gotch'a. Totally agree with you there.

I really hope you mean as in " Your right if you subscribe to this theory then you dishonor lives" lol.

I believe all preponents of this theory are, at the very least, traitors.

[hgmaster]

I really hope you mean as in " Your right if you subscribe to this theory then you dishonor lives" lol.

I believe all preponents of this theory are, at the very least, traitors.


This made me think of a quote from Teddy Roosevelt in 1918

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

What makes us good Americans, or should at least anyway, be in our skepticism of government and the political agenda behind their action. You say traitors, I say better Americans.

[Vulgotha]

This made me think of a quote from Teddy Roosevelt in 1918



What makes us good Americans, or should at least anyway, be in our skepticism of government and the political agenda behind their action. You say traitors, I say better Americans.


I draw the line of patriotism at believing our president orchestrated the deaths of over 20,000 Americans.

You say better Americans, I say Power hungry candidates and political figures trying to win over votes with crackpot theories that undermine our president, and our country.

Disgracing every death, every person who lost their life in that tragic incident is NOT patriotism.

But I applaud you for attempting to hide behind a great man's words.

[hgmaster]

I draw the line of patriotism at believing our president orchestrated the deaths of over 20,000 Americans.

You say better Americans, I say Power hungry candidates and political figures trying to win over votes with crackpot theories that undermine our president, and our country.

Disgracing every death, every person who lost their life in that tragic incident is NOT patriotism.

But I applaud you for attempting to hide behind a great man's words.


Green-This isn't coming from power hungry candidates and political figures, it coming from the people who lost loved ones in the events of 9/11 and from parents who have children in Iraq right now. I would love for you to name one that is saying this, then I'd know who to vote for.

Red- Truly disgracing the ones that lost their lives would be to NOT ask why.

I was not hiding behind the words of a great man, I was using them to show you, you are dead wrong. You have missed his point entirely, and I am not surprised. Try reading his words one more time.....

[DINAMO788]

its pretty obvious why isn't it? they wanted to bring about terror and mayhem in our country by striking our cities and civilian populations

[PXG S3]

Should we pull out...

YES YES YES YES YES!!! It was a bad idea even before that idiot of a president and his administration put our troops there. I've been 100%, dead against it ever since. Now people are starting to see how much a colossal waste of lives, time, money and energy this whole debocal is.

Its only going to get worse and for Iraqi civilians. We need to get the **** out now. Being there only provokes and generates more resistance and insurgency. Its funny how there wasn't any terrorism before, but now all of sudden, now that America is there, everyone wants to blow **** up. I wonder why.

Everyone hates America, because we always make matters worse. We need to stop interfering with world issues, until we have a better understanding of the world and not have such selfish and maleovent agenddas and ambitions. Man, does this crap piss me off so much....

EDIT - If you think Iraq has ANYTHING to do with 9/11...

YOU.
ARE.
A.
MORON.

Don't even bother typing a post on this site if you think that....Don't waste my time.

[Vulgotha]

Green-This isn't coming from power hungry candidates and political figures, it coming from the people who lost loved ones in the events of 9/11 and from parents who have children in Iraq right now. I would love for you to name one that is saying this, then I'd know who to vote for.

Red- Truly disgracing the ones that lost their lives would be to NOT ask why.

I was not hiding behind the words of a great man, I was using them to show you, you are dead wrong. You have missed his point entirely, and I am not surprised. Try reading his words one more time.....




Having met and talked with people from Ground Zero, they balk at the idea that this was a government attack. (my nieghbor is a former New Yorker, and she saw the trade towers go down)


And where do you think they got these ideas? They just brainstormed together and willed themselves into thinking "Our country did it"

Right.

[PXG S3]

Speaking of 9/11, I don't think the US did it to itself. That would be way too obvious. I think the government knew something was up, but let it happen. Why? So it would give them an excuse for all of this ****. It would allow them to falsey justify the "War on Terror" and "Operation Iraqi Freedom". I really can't stand Bush or his slimey administration at all. I can't wait for election '08 to come.....I finally get to vote.

But what sucks, is that if all of the candidates are crap, I have nobody to vote for. All politicians are scum, but what you have to do is vote for the one is the least evil, in my opinion.

[DINAMO788]

alright i got another enemy to watch out for.

regardless i think it was right to go in, it was just handled amazingly poor.
i hope a fallout plan is in the works
.


btw most iraqs like us there and say we are helping

[PXG S3]

alright i got another enemy to watch out for.

Who me? :lol: You take this **** too far man.

regardless i think it was right to go in, it was just handled amazingly poor.
i hope a fallout plan is in the works

Yeah...Pull out! :lol:

btw most iraqs like us there and say we are helping

Post pics or never happened! :lol:

Seriously, prove it.

I'm just breakin your balls. Chill.

[hgmaster]

Having met and talked with people from Ground Zero, they balk at the idea that this was a government attack. (my nieghbor is a former New Yorker, and she saw the trade towers go down)


And where do you think they got these ideas? They just brainstormed together and willed themselves into thinking "Our country did it"

Right.


When they fell i was holding the hand of a woman who had a husband working close by, and at the same time I was talking on my nextel to other employees of the company I worked for that were working in the FBI building. They got these ideas from looking at the reasons our government said they collapsed and thinking wait this doesnt make sense and what about WTC7???

[One-Shot]

No we cant leave with the current situation. Iran would love to take advantage of us leaving and influence iraq for their gain and also al qaeda and how they would influence it and spout propaganda all day about how they defeated "the great satin". Iraq is something we have to win because losing would be disasterouse in more ways then one. Alot has to still be done and we do need to find a new strategy, although I still am waiting for the sept report before passing judgement on the surge. Their has been some very positive signs recently. In war you cant think short term you gotta go for the long term.

[udontneed2know]

lol see what happens when you bring a real argument, and real logic, into an argument. You get people like this nutjob here.

LOL!! This is why everybody hates you. You are pathetic. USA did not go to Iraq because of terrorist or Osama Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda. There wasn't any terrorist in Iraq until you show up. What has Iraqi people done wrong to your country and American people prior your invasion?

Everyone hates me? Forgive me if I didn't notice after getting all these IM's all the time from people agreeing with my points of view on gaming or politics or religion. I'm simply a smart man, who can see far beyond the mainstream media's point of view. But it seems from the rest of your message that you are located somewhere in the middle east, so it doesn't bother me or suprise me that your views on some things are pretty wrong altogether. Education is key, and to not always believe EVERYTHING you hear on the news.

Majority of Iraqis was against USA invasion but you come anyway with false pretenses of BS story of Weapons of mass destruction and lies about Saddam Hussein connection with terrorist.
Whole war is one big lie and disgrace to the human race. Sham on you who are supporting this madness.

Majority of Iraqi's were against the US ousting Saddam Hussein? Is that why not a single citizen has yet to fire a shot at the US as they are protecting their streets? Waving at our soldiers as they passed ( still do so ) spitting on his posters and destrroying his statues? Where is this poll anyway, showing the Iraqi's not wanting the US to destroy the Saddam Hussein regime which was forced upon them? I am certain they LOVED Saddam Hussein for raping their wives and children, forcing them into armed service, having Saddam's sons torture political enemies families and launching chemical weapon attacks against them. Sure they loved it. I don't expect you to really care about the truth anyway, you have the mainstream mumbo jumbo to fall back on anyway. You don't even know why the US went into Iraq, and how they were fully legalized to do so by multiple UN resolutions stating in plain writing how Saddam MUST show to the US every single weapon they had in their arsenal which Saddam refused to do. He sent in papers, but it was the same list from a dozen years before from the very first UN resolution stating his need to do that.

Furthermore, Saddam broke a dozen years worth of UN resolutions. THAT is what made the UN weak. Its own public inability to follow through with not a single resolution placed against a single nation. Be it the resolution for North Korea to halt nuclear ambitions, or Saddam Hussein to stop pursuing any sort of WMD weaponry which included chemical weapons which everyone knows he had SINCE HE USED THEM ON HIS OWN CITIZENS and our soldiers back during Desert Storm. Like I said though, your not interested in any truth, just your own ignorant HATE BUSH HATE US policy. Which will only last for as long as the local media keeps pumping out bad news in Iraq. Once the news turns good, then your opinion will change, that is simply how small minded and weak the world has become. It is not controlled by logic or truth, it is controlled by whatever drivel you may have glanced across at the bottom of a CNN newscast.

USA and Israel are cause of terrorist activities. No if no but.

Well thats the classic theory isn't it? Even though we have had very little to do with the middle east since well ... forever, we are somehow the cause of Muhammed hitting up way too much of that widespread middle eastern Opiote, getting a visit from the angel Gabriel and then going on a crusade to conquer the Holy Land. Sure was our fault. Terrorists are responsible for their own actions, we have nothing to do with it. Al-Queda would still be operating with impunity if they were not behind the 9-11 terrorist attacks which came out of nowhere and for no reason. Same goes for the bombings in Spain and Italy and Britain and everywhere else in the world. Terrorists have been attacking the world since the 1970's, this isn't a new age thing. But I doubt you know that or care about that anyway.

Why cant you stay in USA and worry about your own problems, God knows you got plenty of them. Im closer to Iraq or Iran, but Im not afraid of them, why should I? If they attack us we will defend ourselves, we did it before and we will did it again. UN is there too, that is their job right? To make sure that WW3 never happen. You are saying that UN is weak and pathetic but you forget that USA made it weak. UN was against invasion of Iraq but did that stop you? And how can UN stop country who is strongest link in that organisation?

Saddam Hussein attacks Kuwait and sets fire to oil fields. World does nothing, but America steps in and fights Saddam Hussein and destroys his entire military. You can thank us for that well .. never because it seems people are selfish and ignorant of what we do for them. Whenever anything happens in the world everyone looks to America for the assistance and for the help, but when we actually take action against another country with some force, suddenly we are devils riding on wings.

The UN is weak, for my already stated reasons. They have hardly done anything positive for the world. Hell they couldn't even come together on how to get Hazbullah to release Israeli prisoners, which started that whole debacle with Hazbullah in the first place. Yet Israel was demonized, while Hezbollah was given a free pass, like terrorist groups are always given. Also the UN was not against the invasion of Iraq. Bush gave them a timeline, the UN gave Iraq resolutions, Saddam did not comply with those resolutions ( which clearly stated US was given the right to action if not complied with ) and that was that. Bush did hasten then attack on Saddam though simply to catch him off guard a little, knowing that Saddam had probably thousands of miles of hidden passageways to hide his weapons, ship them to other countries or simply to destroy them. We still found endless amounts of stockpiles that Saddam never listed on those UN Resolutions stating he was to state all weaponry in his arsenal. That alone vindicated US action, but the only thing the world wanted to see was a loaded nuclear weapon, which no ****, Saddam would never be dumb enough to allow us to find.

If nation have crazy leader or they are having civil war, what that have to do with me? That is they own problem. I experienced it in my country in early 90".

We tried that sort of thinking with Hitler and Stalin. " Oh let the crazy idiot do what he wants, got nothing to do with us ". And look in the history books as to how that turned out. Crazy people end up doing crazy things. Saddam started two massive wars in a pretty short stretch simply trying to gain power, land, and control of more oil reserves to put further economical pressure behind the world and gain more influence. It has everything to do with you, when suddenly your nation has enemy soldiers inside its borders.

Put yourself in shoes of one Iraqi boy of lets say 16 years old. Can you imagine what life he has and in what fear he lives every day? Imagine the hate that is building inside of his heart against USA and their power? It doesnt surprise me that USA soldiers are dying every day in Iraq. If I was Iraqi I would gladly kill every USA soldier just so they can leave my country alone.

You are living in comfort and only real problems you have is how to pay the builds and get the money to buy games.( yeah Im close to that as well ) That Iraqi boy only have fear and hate, think about that...

And the US is the only nation in the entire world willing to fight to give that kid an ounce of Hope that things can get better in his nation. Yet look at what you do to that country for even attempting to make things better for that kid. You would rather have that kid live under the rule of a raping psychopathic radical instead of fighting to give HIS kids a better life. What exactly does that make you? Besides a careless pacifist?

What I find funny about all this. People, liberals, idiots, give more credibility to the old Saddam Hussein Iraqi Regime, known for its blatant lies ( even to the point of denying American military in Baghdad with US Tanks in the background ), then to the US government. And sadly, THERE IS NO REASON FOR IT. Nothing but conspiracy theories that have already been disproven and blatant sadistic Anti-US propaganda that should come from the mouths of Al-Queda bombers themselves rather then US or other nations citizens.

Sad really.

[wazix2be]

lol see what happens when you bring a real argument, and real logic, into an argument. You get people like this nutjob here.


[quote]
Everyone hates me? Forgive me if I didn't notice after getting all these IM's all the time from people agreeing with my points of view on gaming or politics or religion. I'm simply a smart man, who can see far beyond the mainstream media's point of view. But it seems from the rest of your message that you are located somewhere in the middle east, so it doesn't bother me or suprise me that your views on some things are pretty wrong altogether. Education is key, and to not always believe EVERYTHING you hear on the news. You are clearly stupid because if you think that Croatia is located in the Middle East lol! Im sorry but why should you be smarter then me when you cant even read a map:confused:

You are mainstream my friend if you are supporting War in Iraq not me...



Majority of Iraqi's were against the US ousting Saddam Hussein? Is that why not a single citizen has yet to fire a shot at the US as they are protecting their streets? Waving at our soldiers as they passed ( still do so ) spitting on his posters and destrroying his statues? Where is this poll anyway, showing the Iraqi's not wanting the US to destroy the Saddam Hussein regime which was forced upon them? I am certain they LOVED Saddam Hussein for raping their wives and children, forcing them into armed service, having Saddam's sons torture political enemies families and launching chemical weapon attacks against them. Sure they loved it. I don't expect you to really care about the truth anyway, you have the mainstream mumbo jumbo to fall back on anyway. You don't even know why the US went into Iraq, and how they were fully legalized to do so by multiple UN resolutions stating in plain writing how Saddam MUST show to the US every single weapon they had in their arsenal which Saddam refused to do. He sent in papers, but it was the same list from a dozen years before from the very first UN resolution stating his need to do that.Saddam was well... Not a good man! His regime needed to be stopped Im not arguing that. My problem is with USA government and USA media. I watched some of your news and what a lol was that:D Weapons of mass destruction? BS, Terrorist in Iraq? BS, just a bunch of lies. I watched when Rumsfeld were using Saddam and terrorists in the same sentence, WTF?
Majority of people that are watching news are sheep's that will believe everything on TV without questioning.
USA is not dictator regime so you must gain mass approval from people before you can do something, like invasion of sovereign nation. And thats exactly what your government did. Thay play you like a violin:). Lets be honest shall we? 9/11 gave USA government open hands to do whatever they wanted and they did... If 9/11 never happened would you still go to Iraq and "free" people from Saddam? lol! Hardly. You would need bloody good reason to convince people that spending billions of $ in Middle East and killing of 1000" of US troops is a good deal... 9/11, Fear, and Terrorist word in sentence can do wonders;)


Saddam Hussein attacks Kuwait and sets fire to oil fields. World does nothing, but America steps in and fights Saddam Hussein and destroys his entire military. You can thank us for that well .. never because it seems people are selfish and ignorant of what we do for them. Whenever anything happens in the world everyone looks to America for the assistance and for the help, but when we actually take action against another country with some force, suddenly we are devils riding on wings. Yeah and then you bail out and leave Iraqi people to the mercy of Saddam?? Why? Look at my upper response...

USA is not a charity organisation, you are only acting on your best interest so dont give me that pathetic answer that you are helping poor people haha. Help nation in Africa under regimes, help North Korea, help Iran! lol

Yes USA activities in the world are prolonging WW3 but for how long?

USA presence in Middle East is only for strategist reasons. To control Muslims nations and worlds largest oil reserves. "Oil makes the world go around" This is all but game of world domination, and it will culminate sooner or later, I just hope that World becomes better place after:)

We still found endless amounts of stockpiles that Saddam never listed on those UN Resolutions stating he was to state all weaponry in his arsenal. That alone vindicated US action, but the only thing the world wanted to see was a loaded nuclear weapon, which no ****, Saddam would never be dumb enough to allow us to find.You are dumb if you think that Saddam had nuclear weapons. I dont think that you can hide that or pass USA intelligence...

Saddam never listed weapons in UN resolution? So what? He had weapons, big deal every country has weapons... And dont forget that alot of it comes from U$A.;)



We tried that sort of thinking with Hitler and Stalin. " Oh let the crazy idiot do what he wants, got nothing to do with us ". And look in the history books as to how that turned out. Crazy people end up doing crazy things. Saddam started two massive wars in a pretty short stretch simply trying to gain power, land, and control of more oil reserves to put further economical pressure behind the world and gain more influence. It has everything to do with you, when suddenly your nation has enemy soldiers inside its borders.OK Hitler but why Stalin? Did you overthrow him?

But that was not the reason for Iraqi war! Did I miss something? USA lied for Weapons of Mass destruction, non was found, Your Media lied about connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda, there were non.

So you are basically saying that USA did what had to be done so that they can gain control of oil reserves and to gain more influence in the world. Can you denied that?

And the US is the only nation in the entire world willing to fight to give that kid an ounce of Hope that things can get better in his nation. Yet look at what you do to that country for even attempting to make things better for that kid. You would rather have that kid live under the rule of a raping psychopathic radical instead of fighting to give HIS kids a better life. What exactly does that make you? Besides a careless pacifist?



Early 90" Balkan. Where was USA than? I experience War in first hand, and fear. I am that kid, and guess what? Nobody cares. People only care what is happening around them aside few exceptions. There are people all over the world right now who are suffering but does that make any difference in your daily routine? Don be hypocrite...

Yeah you overthrown Saddam but is Iraq better place now? I dont think so...

[Wearevenom1]

Yeah its time to pull out, we have done just about all the damage we can there. Good ole Saddam hated fundamentalist muslims, much like oh Bin Laden and his lot, and since people he didn't like got tortured and murdered we really helped the situation huh? Its our fault Iraq got like this so either way we have to face the consequences so you might as well stop sacrificing young soldiers.

Anyway I have always been under the mind set that better to deal with the devil you know than the devil you don't. Of course we overthrew arrested and hanged the devil we know so we are pretty much ****ed.

[Porky Pine]

I really hope you mean as in " Your right if you subscribe to this theory then you dishonor lives" lol.

I believe all preponents of this theory are, at the very least, traitors.

Wouldn't quite go that far. Just very misinformed and willing to see govt conspiracies where simple negligence will do.

[hgmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/v/vAH3AeFy0SY


Should we pull out? Should we even be there?

[$_KD_]

nice video dude, i think everything is going as planned for the New World Order but im afraid we going to be in a bigger crisis later on, if we don't pull out of the war then more soldiers will be dying each day.

[hgmaster]

nice video dude, i think everything is going as planned for the New World Order but im afraid we going to be in a bigger crisis later on, if we don't pull out of the war then more soldiers will be dying each day.


Agreed, agreed. I just read a nice article speaking of some unmentioned ways soldiers are dieing.

By Pauline Jelinek Army Times Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Soldiers committed suicide last year at the highest rate in 26 years, and more than one-fourth did so while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new military report.

The report, obtained by The Associated Press ahead of its release scheduled Thursday, found there were 99 confirmed suicides among active-duty soldiers during 2006, up from 88 the previous year and the highest since the 102 suicides in 1991.

The suicide rate for the Army has fluctuated over the past 26 years, from last year's high of 17.3 per 100,000 to a low of 9.1 per 100,000 in 2001.

Last year, "Iraq was the most common deployment location for both (suicides) and attempts," the report said.

The 99 suicides included 28 soldiers deployed to the two wars and 71 who weren't. About twice as many women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan committed suicide as did women not sent to war, the report said.

Preliminary numbers for he first half of this year indicate the number of suicides could decline across the service in 2007 but increase among troops inside the war zones, officials said.

The increases for 2006 came as Army officials worked to set up a number of new and stronger programs for providing mental health care to a force strained by the longer-than-expected war in Iraq and President Bush's worldwide campaign against terror, entering its sixth year.

Failed personal relationships, legal and financial problems and the stress of their jobs were factors motivating the soldiers to commit suicide, according to the report.

"In addition, there was a significant relationship between suicide attempts and number of days deployed" in Iraq, Afghanistan or nearby countries where troops are participating in the war effort, it said. The same pattern seemed to hold true for those who not only attempted, but succeeded in killing themselves.

There also "was limited evidence to support the view that multiple ... deployments are a risk factor for suicide behaviors," it said.

About a quarter of those who killed themselves had a history of at least one psychiatric disorder. Of those, about 20 percent had been diagnosed with a mood disorder such as bipolar disorder and-or depression; and 8 percent had been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, including post traumatic stress disorder — a signature injury of the conflict in Iraq.

Firearms were the most common method of suicide. Those who attempted suicide but did not succeed tended more often to take overdoses and cut themselves.

In a service of more than a half-million troop, the 99 suicides amounted to a rate of 17.3 per 100,000 — the highest in the past 26 years, the report said. The average rate over those years has been 12.3 per 100,000.

The rate for those serving in the wars stayed about the same, 19.4 per 100,000 in 2006, compared to 19.9 in 2005.

The Army said the information was compiled from reports collected as part of its suicide prevention program. The reports are required for all "suicide-related behaviors that result in death, hospitalization or evacuation" of the soldier. It can take considerable time to investigate a suicide, and the Army said that in addition to the 99 confirmed suicides last year, two other deaths are suspected suicides still under investigation.

[Axe&Hammer]

Pulling out too early just makes a big mess,best stay in till the job is done.

[wazix2be]

Pulling out too early just makes a big mess,best stay in till the job is done.

Yeah stay until all middle east is under USA control. Is that what you mean when you say "get the job done"?
You think that Russia and China will just watch you getting grip on worlds largest oil reservoir?

[Blu-Ray]

We should have never went there for this amount of time anyways... but pulling out now would make us vulnerable.

[One-Shot]

Yeah stay until all middle east is under USA control. Is that what you mean when you say "get the job done"?
You think that Russia and China will just watch you getting grip on worlds largest oil reservoir?
Well yeah, once we control all the middle east and europe, russia and china will not be able to do anything and will fall soon after. Everything is going to plan but this will take time :twisted:.

[Axe&Hammer]

Yeah stay until all middle east is under USA control. Is that what you mean when you say "get the job done"?
You think that Russia and China will just watch you getting grip on worlds largest oil reservoir?

No I meant it as a sexual innuendo.;)

Well yeah, once we control all the middle east and europe, russia and china will not be able to do anything and will fall soon after. Everything is going to plan but this will take time :twisted:.
Um....ooookkkk

[hgmaster]

http://www.youtube.com/v/3tVTjEbwMro

Troops need more training apparently

[macel82]

I think we should stop short, pull out, and finish all over Iran.

[hgmaster]

I think we should stop short, pull out, and finish all over Iran.

Are you talking about giving them a pearl necklace:confused:

[macel82]

Are you talking about giving them a pearl necklace:confused:

Only metaphorically speaking, of course. LOL.

[mastershake86]

They needed to pull out 2 years ago or just not go. We need construction workers over there and Afghanistan not soldiers. We need to leave, but not until we fix what we broke. All of the so called 'terror cells' exist everywhere the government knows they will never beat them(just like Nam, but worse because you don't even know who you are fighting), but as long as the American public is worried about every Muslim they see they can fight whoever they want for whatever reason they want(oil in this case) and just tell our people that Bin Laden might be there now.