PS3 using LINUX? [Archive]

:mn:

November 29th, 2005, 03:29 PM

I heard from all kinds of places That the PS3 will be using Linux...I know what linux is and everything but i dont really understand Why Its using linux....What do you guys think?
(sorry if this has been posted before i have looked but could not find any topics like this.)

PS3 Using BlueTooth

Discussing the topic of controllers at GDC Europe. Sony's leading man on developer support, George Bain, announced that the Playstation 3 console not only supports the new wireless bluetooth controllers but will also be utilizing the functionality of keyboards and mice.
No description was given about the nature of freedom developers will be able to apply with the inclusion of such PC peripherals. Though it doesn't require a rocket scientist to predict what'll be the outcome of this move. Game genres, such as 'Real Time Strategy' (RTS) and 'First Person Shooters' have long been using keyboard and mouse on the PC side. Sony making this possible out of the box on their upcoming console suggests that they realize the significance of these two genres.

Backing such accessories for developers of PS3 games also approves of Sony's stance on the open nature of things and what lately their executives like to call the company's DNA. Following are some of their attempts at aiding the open source assets.

• Working on Collada which is described as an open source toolset for developers,

• Creating a special version of Linux (an open source OS) for PS3,

• Recent comments from Phil Harrison about Sony keeping their online architecture open ended for Publishers.

Despite keyboard and mouse support will now be available for some PS3 titles. It doesn't necessarily imply the new 'boomerang' controller is useless or should be tossed out of the window.

Clearing up such fears, Bain explained that Sony would always insist that developers support the included controller in every single PS3 game. So future titles may benefit from keyboard and mouse but at the same time they will also be operable with the default PS3 controller.

This news should bring a fresh air of relief to FPS lovers all over the world. The days of whacky controls on Playstation titles are over and with such technological breakthroughs as laser mice, expect Killzone and Unreal Tournament 2007 to play exactly like their PC brethren, next year on your shiny new Playstation 3 console.

From: http://www.ps3land.com/news/article155.php

PhantoK

November 29th, 2005, 04:32 PM

SolidSnakeUS

November 29th, 2005, 04:41 PM

This would be very interesting, at least it isn't using Windows, which is what the competition owns

Hunnter

November 29th, 2005, 05:06 PM

Well basically the reason behind using Linux on the PS3 is to compete against Microsoft in all areas for one
They also want the open source community to expand, what better way to do this than pop a Linux install on the HDD for PS3, sucessor to a best selling console

And that all means that when we get PS3 an install an HDD, we will be able to have an OS on our PS3s, so we could do many things OS-like on PS3 instead of having a PC...the main area where MS are practically God-like in...
MS cant install their OS on xbox360 the way people think because it would take money away from their PC side of things, unlike Sony cause they arent in the PC business in the same sense as Microsoft are.

So Sony can install Linux risk-free basically (plus its free! :D)
If MS installs Windows, they will screw their own market...

And dont worry about applications, theres quite a bit being done in converting programs to Cell architecture, you'll see development tools first though, but thats always a good thing :D

Lefein

November 29th, 2005, 05:08 PM

Simple, it's a free open source OS and it is a lot more secure if set up properly. It's the ideal OS for Sony's goals.

PSKala

November 29th, 2005, 05:22 PM

Linux is a VERY secure OS, i mean no one would want Windows XP on a console :lol:

SolidSnakeUS

November 29th, 2005, 05:24 PM

Very true, linux is very safe, that's why most servers use Linux and not MS things, mainly for safety, and also since linux is not as popular as windows, it does not have as many known hacks or bugs as windows does.

:mn:

November 29th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Well I´m not exactly sure if it´s official yet, but yes there is alot of talk about a Linux OS on the PS3.
Umm... Are you asking what it would gain of using Linux, or why are they using Linux instead of some other OS?

Im asking what it would gain and why not another os i mean apple would be fine aswell but i guess if sony start using linux then linux will become more populer..

edit:
i agree with you guys it is very secure! :)

Hunnter

November 29th, 2005, 06:06 PM

And plus its also one of the most stable OSs out there, ive had it running for 8 weeks solid with no slow down at all

There was actually a website a friend sent to me with peoples uptimes, things like 167 days an stuff, i was like "WOW!! :O what the!" hehehe (i'll try find this again)
The only reason i stopped mines was cause i was going on holiday lol
Thats the main reason they are used for servers, the fact that they can be run almost non stop and nothing bad will happen to them, since i never turn my computer off, best to have Linux on them.
With Windows i could barely go a week or 2, and i had NO crap on my computer, i actually re-wrote and patched quite a bit of the OS to make it really secure and stable, but it still barely lasts 2 weeks..

Well Apple were in talks about porting MacOS to Cell were they not?
But apparently something happened an they just went to Intel, i think the reason was that they didnt think they could keep up with the demand for processors...
So thats the main reason why MacOS isnt ported, plus its not open source either

edit:
Found something pretty similar, but its with websites:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
Look at all the OSs, barely any say Windows on them whereas most are BSD actually or something similar, and the web server as well, most are Apache cause its just a great program an very secure at that

udontneed2know

November 29th, 2005, 07:59 PM

Cell was tested and built up with the help of Linux and may as well be the official OS of the entire Cell architecture.

Ken Kutaragi a long time ago stated the HDD's of the PS3 will come pre-loaded with the Cell ready Linux OS, so you can pretty much call it official as much as the Wireless controller is official.

Well Apple were in talks about porting MacOS to Cell were they not?
But apparently something happened an they just went to Intel, i think the reason was that they didnt think they could keep up with the demand for processors...
So thats the main reason why MacOS isnt ported, plus its not open source either

Intel paid them handsomely. Apple more then anyone is terrified of Cell because Cell uses Altivex and has many internal likenesses to the Macs POWER architecture. MacOS could be ported to the Cell architecture within a week with no optimization, but would take awhile for it to actually utilize the strengths of the Cell architecture.

Nstriker20

November 29th, 2005, 08:24 PM

Lefein

November 29th, 2005, 08:31 PM

I understand when you guys say that Linux is a safer OS from it's rival windows xp. But i have never seen a Linux OS in action. I also understand that there are different variants of the Linux OS. But can someone Post up one Variant of the Linux interface. It will be well appreciated.

http://www.robin.thompson99.btinternet.co.uk/desktop.jpg

http://www.kefk.net/Linux/Desktop/Gnome/Versionen/2.0/Screenshots/GNOME_2.0-Desktop.jpg

http://step.polymtl.ca/~coyote/picturesd/linux/desktop-101697.jpg

http://overclockix.octeams.com/snapshot10.jpg

http://home.mnet-online.de/joey/linux_desktop.jpg

http://dave.oc7.org/screenshots/images/Linux%20Desktop%207-22-99.jpg

There you have it, Linux.

C64isStillTheBest

November 29th, 2005, 08:35 PM

I understand when you guys say that Linux is a safer OS from it's rival windows xp. But i have never seen a Linux OS in action. I also understand that there are different variants of the Linux OS. But can someone Post up one Variant of the Linux interface. It will be well appreciated.

If you have used Google then you have seen Linux in action. Google has server farms linked together to form massive supercomputers.

For starter links check http://distrowatch.com/ for all the Linux "variants", called distributions. Also try http://www.linux.org/ which also contains a great introduction to Linux.

If you are into computing then learning about Linux is a must as it is the future.

udontneed2know

November 29th, 2005, 09:20 PM

If you've used a Cell phone or Palm Pilot or visited a website, more then likely you are staring at whats created and running on Linux. Linux is the main OS for supercomputers as well, and IBM uses it exclusively.

Theres not different varients to the Linux OS though, not the kernel, just the GUI ( ala Windows ) variations. Different GUI's all over the place for Linux, from GUI's that mimic Windows down to the Start menu button, to ones that look exactly like a MAC to those that are completely unique.

Terarrim

November 29th, 2005, 10:26 PM

dbakerstl

November 29th, 2005, 10:35 PM

If you want to see linux in action and not mess up your machine goto :
http://www.ubuntu.com order the FREE cd and you will get an install CD and a LIVE cd - you can just pop the live CD in your machine reboot and play with linux, it comes with many common wireless and wired network drivers, and full GUI with Open Office Suite, and web browsers, windows connectivity, media players etc. very cool and will boot on most computers I have tried.. Like I said its a LIVE OS cd soo you dont have to do anything to your machine :)

EDIT: Ohh yeah and you can download the LIVE or Install CD as well

SOme of my Linux server stats..
Email Server - Handles approx 52,000 messages a month:
15:38:51 up 81 days, 5:31, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.36, 0.40

Web Server-
14:35:00 up 81 days, 23:34, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00

we had a 4 day poweroutage 81 days ago :)

:mn:

November 29th, 2005, 10:37 PM

I have heard of the kernel now developed by IBM. Do you think that they will eventually release a PS3 GUI linux version? Or do you think it wont be needed as the PS3 will have its own native GUI (on chip like the PSP).
im not 100% sure about that,but does anyone know any places to get linux i wanna try it on my old computer as i heard it was free.

Playstation Prince

November 29th, 2005, 11:59 PM

This is what I got from wikipedia:

IBM had quickly sent a series of improvements to the Linux developers mailing-list regarding the Cell processor, and has publicly presented a Cell based server running Linux kernel 2.6.12. [19] Since then IBM has begun to offer detailed information and tutorials for software development on Cell based systems including the PlayStation 3.

drD

November 30th, 2005, 12:04 AM

are u guys sure sony is using a full fledged "pc like" linux operating system, or are they just using the source code to make the typical console operationg system. I think Sony is going this route for the ps3 operation system. Porting linux to work with cell is most likely for cell-based servers and workstations. Areas where linux dominate anyway.

Nstriker20

November 30th, 2005, 01:24 AM

Lefein Thanks for the numerous post. Now i have an idea of what a Linux interface looks like. It has some similarity with windows but you can definitely see the difference between the two. I would have to say that i like the way the Linux operating system looks and i would be glad to change from this virus and spyware infected windows from microsoft in a blink of an eye.

Also i am happy that Sony is put Linux on the PS3 harddrive. I will definitely get used to linux when the PS3 comes out. it is also good that Sony is promoting The Linux OS, because more people need to know that there is a more safer OS out there other than Microsoft Windows. I know there is Mackintosh but a lot people really don't like Mackintosh including myself. So Linux is the next options. Plus its Free.

Also thank you guys that also posted answer to my question.

Mika Mo 25

November 30th, 2005, 01:31 AM

I understand that they are making a special Linux OS for the Playstation 3, but what would you guys want the special version to have as features?

The Chocobo Kid

November 30th, 2005, 01:37 AM

As far as I know there going to have it. just not with the on system. I think they are going to sale it by itself.

Nstriker20

November 30th, 2005, 01:38 AM

1. Internet browser
2. Music Player
3. Ability to Play PC games (Next generation PC games)
4. Media Player
5. Instant messenger

And so on.

Lp Chris XII

November 30th, 2005, 02:41 AM

Imagine, with Linux, you could download an instant messenger like Xfire, which tells you what games you're friends are playing, similar to what you can do with Xbox Live, except free 8)

drD

November 30th, 2005, 02:54 AM

isnt linux safer just because hackers and virus writers attack windows because it dominates the pc market? If the roles were reversed I would think that linux would be the more vulnerable os...

KILLZONE7

November 30th, 2005, 02:58 AM

2 reasons-

1) linux is the competitor (aka hates) Microsoft.
2) this would be able to open up other possibilities for the godly ps3

drD

November 30th, 2005, 03:02 AM

wouldnt it making it pc like such as putting a browswer and allowing downloads make it prone to viruses? I guess that could also be a problem with the xbox 360 and windows media center

udontneed2know

November 30th, 2005, 03:09 AM

Thats alot to do with it drD, atleast on the personal side. Most virus's do not destroy computers, rather they give Windows fits.

Another reason is simply because how things are ran and compiled on Linux. You don't simply double click things and run stuff on Linux, you have to compile it through the BASH command line interface and Linux has internal checks all over the place for funky code. Most virus's simply won't even run right on a Linux machine, they would have to be hand crafted to actually fight Linux like how many virus's are hand crafted to fight Windows.

Most of the " hacking " world though has been using linux since 1992 and loves it. Most of what you hear about with " hackers " is the days when we used to hack into Linux / Unix machines and just grab information. Hacking has never been about destroying computers, they are just the ones that make the papers. It's more about just the simple fun process of jumping into a system and finding out whats going on inside.

But I'm sure Microsoft could sweat Linux and Cell and the PS3 quite a bit. Releasing Linux on every HDD for the PS3 would ensure another 10-40 million Linux users, and bring more awareness to the products quality and stability and the big strides most of the GUI's are taking to make it easier to use like Windows. Also, with Cell being so connected to Linux if Cell ever entered the PC market the first and maybe only thing you'd see are Linux/Cell PC's built by Sony. Vaio laptops, PC's, etc. Would be a reall good thing for the Linux community, and yes Linux is absolutely free and always will be.

Another thiny, Sony and IBM did build the Linux Alliance recently lol. That had to make Microsoft make a run for the bathroom.

drD

November 30th, 2005, 03:17 AM

I think this might be better fit in the general discussion but if we are on the topic of linux then ill just post it. here is an old article a few months back on what ms could do with linux http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4727267.stm didnt find it on search

Playstation3 4 Lyfe

November 30th, 2005, 07:06 AM

Everybody wins if they have linux, it will make the ps3 like 103980329 times better, linux will get more popular, everyone will smile, ps3 owners can brag. But if they include it only in 1st party hard drives, that means that there would be NO CHANCE in even wanting to get a third party hard drive...unless u can somehow get a different os onto it

Hunnter

November 30th, 2005, 10:05 AM

You don't simply double click things and run stuff on Linux, you have to compile it through the BASH command line interface
What distribution are you running??
I can do that on mines, i just double click things an they work, true i dont download crap all the time, but still lol

And one great feature about Linux (could well just be the one im on) is that when you upload a file, it will always ask you to confirm it, even if say you were uploading a picture in imageshack.us, it will ask you to confirm the upload from your computer
So thats a nice little check to stop websites from just grabbing your files off you :lol:

And another great thing is that in Linux, it doesnt give a damn about file extensions, it checks a files header to see what a file is, i dont even have file extensions on most files hehe

Nstriker20

November 30th, 2005, 04:30 PM

PS3 is the system that is more likely to push Linux into mainstream usage.

:mn:

November 30th, 2005, 10:26 PM

Maybe as it will be using linux maybe it will have features like messenger and internet and things..That would be really cool but also in its own kinda look that would be really good and could open up alot of features for the PS3!

Playstation3 4 Lyfe

December 1st, 2005, 01:16 AM

if the system sales of the ps3 follow the older console's footsteps, then in about 5 years we might have 1 million linux operating systems in homes!

brian44

December 1st, 2005, 01:26 AM

does that mean it like a computer

like u could surf the internet and email???

Playstation3 4 Lyfe

December 1st, 2005, 01:36 AM

does that mean it like a computer

like u could surf the internet and email???

mabye, very possibly sony might make software for it, but i bet people will make alot of user-made software, alot with other companys can make software also.

Aza

December 1st, 2005, 02:27 AM

As long as avi's, movs, mp3's and anything done in flash is supported by PS3's OS I'll be happy.

Obscene Truth

December 1st, 2005, 02:39 AM

does that mean it like a computer

like u could surf the internet and email???

I can bet we won't even need Linux to go on the internet. Look at the PSP. It's got a web browser that works fine (its limited by the amount of memory the PSP has, but the PS3's wouldn't have to worry about that :P). I just might be replacing my computer with my PS3, I hardly ever play games on my PC (besides when I get The Movies, that game is gonna rock). Linux will have a word proccessor and the average every day computing things, so I'll be all set with a computer for a long time.

Playstation Prince

December 1st, 2005, 03:29 AM

I just wanted to know will the PS3 do the same as the PS2 and you will have to pick a online company (AOL,earthlink,netzero,etc.) to go online or you just pung it in and it's raring to go, if they do I hope you can use msn on it (even though it's a MS company, but it would be great because since XBOX 1.25 can be used with the PSP) because my I have msn.

Obscene Truth

December 1st, 2005, 03:43 AM

No sir, its Broadband only, so as long as you have an internet connection, it will work.

Cody

December 1st, 2005, 04:52 AM

I will get Linux on PS3 and see if I like it. If I can get use to Linux and I start to really like it I will make it the main partition on my computer now. Then again I probably need a CPU and RAM upgrade first so maybe not this computer....

Playstation3 4 Lyfe

December 1st, 2005, 05:27 AM

Put it this way, linux will make the interface like hundreds of time sbetter, but im still wondering how it will work, and it it can have a custom os with a custom interface, i hope so

WhatRuOn

December 1st, 2005, 07:41 PM

Playstation3 4 Lyfe

December 2nd, 2005, 12:46 AM

I'm thinking that having Linux should eliminate hardware modding of games(such as the ones that plague the current Xbox), but could open new doors to other mods. Can someone with some technical knowledge elaborate.

what do u mean by hardware modding of games? do u just mean hardware modding period, because persinally i dont havenanything against modding, some people are into that stuff

WhatRuOn

December 2nd, 2005, 04:18 PM

Well I guess it would software modding, I dunno why I said hardware. But take the modding that goes on Xbox Live right now. For instance, you can go into a random game of Halo on XBL and be killed by people wielding machine guns that spit out rockets, or running faster then vehicles. It's not only an XBL problem, back when I used to play NFS online on the PS2, people somehow figured out a way to have unlimited boost and they would just boost throughout the entire course.

Goldfiinger

December 2nd, 2005, 04:46 PM

Yeah but the OS (linux) is on a totally different level to the Ps3 games playing side; so it wouldnt be possible to use Linux to softmod ur games. It's impossible u really think Sony would be stupid enough not to have thoguht of that. Im not a techy but the way the its done its impossible for anything done on linux to inerfer with the games. impossible or at least thats the plan. :?

Hunnter

December 2nd, 2005, 04:47 PM

Well you could probably do that using an action replay or they could well have their online running through their PC, so they could interupt the signal first and change it on-the-fly so they could do things that you cant usually do, ie running faster than vehicles or no reloads on a shotgun
(SnaBo on Timesplitters: Future Perfect! Cheating son of a *BLEEP*!)

HaloBurn

December 2nd, 2005, 06:01 PM

:mn:

December 2nd, 2005, 07:03 PM

Linux is a Unix based operating system, most linux has a windows type gui it's just like running a PC so think anything you can do on a PC you would be able to do on Linux.

Apple OS X is also Unix based.

If sony could get a deal with Apple for an OS X for the PS3 it would be great.

How would that work out?

Im not 100% sure about that but the thing people would be happy about is the fact that PC'S can play games that consols cannot! but if the ps3 is going to have a keyboard and mouse then you could play games on it like empires!.

WhatRuOn

December 2nd, 2005, 07:28 PM

I remember rumors of KB&M support for games for PS2 and Xbox before they came out...I'm not holding my breath this time.

GamesterBaby

December 2nd, 2005, 07:35 PM

I remember rumors of KB&M support for games for PS2 and Xbox before they came out...I'm not holding my breath this time.
You always do, What Ru On! Burn! :oops:

Hunnter

December 2nd, 2005, 08:07 PM

There was a keyboard and mouse for PS2 though, i have them for PS2 Linux development kit

I love that little mouse! Its got the best scroll wheel ever (its not a funky design or anything, its just so...i dont know! lol)

There probably wont be one on xbox360, but i dont see why Sony wouldnt include one again for PS3 when they intend having Linux pre-installed on HDDs

WhatRuOn

December 2nd, 2005, 08:13 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think there was any game software that supported it. FPS wise.

Hunnter

December 2nd, 2005, 08:15 PM

Unreal supported it...but yeh that wasnt the best of games in terms of it being really choppy, and the fact that it wasnt online either! grrrr

And to be honest, thats the only one i can think of :lol:
Only game i have thats keyboard an mouse enabled...

WhatRuOn

December 2nd, 2005, 08:22 PM

Well I know FFXI was, for obvious reasons. But I'm just hoping for more wide support, and customization of alllll those buttons...*drool* 8)

Hunnter

December 2nd, 2005, 08:27 PM

Oh how could i have forgotten FFXI (i dont have it though...)

And i really hope for most support of keyboard an mouse, makes alot of games easier, especially strategy games (which i hope to see more of, listening strategy developers! )

Although in a way, im not sure if i want it or not since i have these 2 for PS2
I would only want a PS3 official keyboard if it had some special buttons for PS3
Although the keyboard is black...and PS3 will be silver at launch... :(
Please make the European launch black, or let us get a black, pleaseee, i want black...

WhatRuOn

December 2nd, 2005, 08:38 PM

I thought there were 3 colors?

Hunnter

December 2nd, 2005, 09:03 PM

:mn:

December 4th, 2005, 08:28 PM

Yeh but only the silver will be launched cause Ken felt that reflected the way all devices will look in the future

He preferred silver....and i didnt...i wanted black...why Ken whyyy :cry:

Now if i dont decide to get an official keyboard an mouse, i will be using a black keyboard and mouse with a silver PS3...ah well i already have some silvery things, DVD/video player and sky+
Oh and the fridge :lol: i always forget about that (yes as strange as it is, its actually on my media desk thing, just under my PS2, and even then ive not had my PS2 crash from overheating...unlike someting else that would probably not even turn on :roll: )
if only they were going to bring out all 3 colors but hey hey that might only take effect in japan because he said at PS3 launch it will only be silver but that might mean that by the time it gets to europe we will have all 3 colors ^_^ i hope so the PS3 in black would look lush.

DarkKent

December 4th, 2005, 08:39 PM

Hunnter

December 4th, 2005, 08:47 PM

Well Free Radical did develop TS and TS2 under Linux, not sure what they programmed it in though (nor what they did TS:FP under)

And if MS were to have stuck Windows on xbox360, they'd end up taking a hit in their PC side of things, so thats why they didnt put in fully-functional Windows, but just a compact thing that can connect and stream programs from Windows (that MCE thingy or whatever it was lol)

Yeh it sucks that we might never get the black console...i wanted that badly
Come limited time offers though they may have a black (and white) versions
Who knows, maybe even a dark red one :D (thats like my favourite colour!)

Bhav

December 4th, 2005, 08:53 PM

i think you summed it up perfectly Playstation3 4 Lyfe.

linux will definitely help hack the ps3 to pieces lol :lol:

:mn:

December 4th, 2005, 08:58 PM

i think you summed it up perfectly Playstation3 4 Lyfe.

linux will definitely help hack the ps3 to pieces lol :lol:
it might help lol :lol:

But It might help the PS3 to stop being hacked aswell lol but im now expecting them not to be using linux as a operating system thing but more of just a built in interface for the hard drive..

As for the web browser i expect that will be on the PS3 and will be simuler but will have a nicer interface and probally 100times faster and more memory...

The only thing i would never do is use the web broweser after 5 months of the PS3 being released you never know what virus there might be!.

But the PS3 will rock!.

Narca

December 5th, 2005, 07:10 AM

Okay. So when people say things will be open source it's like saying that it'll be something like....http://adiumxtras.com/

If that's what it's like them I would love to see the things that will come from it.

HaloBurn

December 5th, 2005, 02:45 PM

Well if I'm not wrong (could just be a rumour) there was parts of linux on the ps2. Those who write games for ps only write in linux (as far as I know and have heard ^^). So that could also be a reason, but the all above are also nice.

If ms would have put windows on their 360 consoles then every xbox world wide would be lagging to $h1t! ;)

Firstly Linux isn't a programming language it's an OS (Operating System).

There are a number of running environments that can be accessed under this enviroment, a lot of games will be programmed in C or C++ and then comiled to run under the operating system of choice.

Game developers will have access to a number of development tools that make this process easier and some examples of items that work well can be developed for use in other games under license i.e. when you hear that a game is running the Quake or Unreal engine.

The PS3 will already have a bespoke OS installed and will not require Linux, as far as I can tell the ability to install a Free BDS based OS onto the hard disk of the PS3 will just add functionality.

So in summary don't get hung up on Linux it's just a possible cool thing that you may be able to install on the PS3 hard disk, games will be in PS3 format anyway.

XSpike

December 5th, 2005, 03:18 PM

I say who cares about linux and hello keyboard and mouse!! :) thou linux would be great btw. With linux on it say, can we play snes roms and maybe even PC games on the ps3 console? :)

Lefein

December 5th, 2005, 03:20 PM

isnt linux safer just because hackers and virus writers attack windows because it dominates the pc market? If the roles were reversed I would think that linux would be the more vulnerable os...

I know this is an old post, but I really want to answer this one.

Linux is the choice operating system for web servers. Although there are more end users using Windows, more servers are using Linux and web servers are usually prone to more specific attacks than end users. If people COULD script virii to infect Linux servers then they could get access to a lot more end users and a LOT more victims in general because it could spread across a network before people start clicking on websites and downloading the malicious code onto their systems.

In short, don't think for a second that Linux gets off easy because more people use windows. This website is probably on a Linux server (although it COULD be on a Windows server for all I know) Just about every single website you go to on the net will probably be on a Linux box. The only true common attack of hackers on a Linux machine is to send packet floods (keep pinging a server until it can't be communicated with any normal traffic) to it. Rooting a Linux machine is almost unheard of these days because brute force attacks are so incredibly easy to spot for network operators and such.

Linux is probably the most attacked OS on earth simply due to the fact that internet servers run it as opposed to end user systems. Linux has passed the trial by fire.

WhatRuOn

December 5th, 2005, 03:53 PM

Linux is probably the most attacked OS on earth simply due to the fact that internet servers run it as opposed to end user systems. Linux has passed the trial by fire.
I agree with you 100% on that point.

Also, I think because of the filesystem structure of Linux it would be possible for game devs, to block cheats and hacks for online play (use of checksums for example)

Steroyd

December 5th, 2005, 04:12 PM

hey cool that means PS3 will act like a server so you can access music/video files through the net.

wonder if it applies to online gamine as well.

dbakerstl

December 5th, 2005, 07:15 PM

hey cool that means PS3 will act like a server so you can access music/video files through the net.

wonder if it applies to online gamine as well.
WHat I hope it does is this: The Ps3 should have the SONY location free TV software included with it, so you can put content on the PS3 - and watch your TV shows anywhere in the world with your PSP. Not to mention built in DVR, to record your shows that can also be controlled by your PSP. I think that would be SICK, I mean controlling your PVR from your PSP, recording new shows, and viewing them on your PSP across the country ;)

Sweet...

Bhav

December 5th, 2005, 07:51 PM

:mn:

December 5th, 2005, 09:54 PM

what danursuline would be very cool.

if you could store videos, music, pics etc. on you ps3, and then stream them onto your psp no matter which country you were in, that would be the ultimate reason to get the PS3 & PSP.
That is quite a cool idea
But i think it could be possible! im only guessing here but here goes:)
if anyone has heard the DS will soon have more then 1000+ hot spots in places to play online play wifi wirellessly now if sony could do that for the PSP and then use the same kind of softwere that people use for REMOTE COMPUTER or remote assitence and then put that softwere into the PS3 and into the PSP and then make your PS3 be able to access a world wide server then the psp could connect to your PS3 in one of those hotspots if you know what i mean but im only guessing lol then maybe you could stream music,videos,other stuff.

The Chocobo Kid

December 5th, 2005, 10:23 PM

I just went to see the homebrew power that hacker can make. that is going to be so cool.

tomplast

December 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM

I haven't read the posts in this thread that much so I may be saying something already said but I want to say something anyway.

Linux And PlayStation 3s onboard GUI is two seperate things, to join and making them operating as one would demand months of extra work for Sony. I think that there will be a menu entry in the PlayStation 3 main menu that says Linux that will start Linux (and switching back and forth between Linux and other things can be made with some button on the controller).

I hope that PlayStation 3 will make the way for a broader use of Linux on workstations.

:mn:

December 5th, 2005, 10:40 PM