Would you suspend Michael Vick?

[UnReaL]

With the recent accusations of Vicks home being a breeding ground for dogs (pit bulls mostly), and raised to fight other dogs. Reports of wounded dogs, and blood in the area of where the animals were kept.

If your were Roger Goodell (NFL Commissionar), would you suspend Vick?

Vicks Argument:
-I had no idea of what was going on inside one of his homes.

Goodell's Argument:
-Your home, your responsibility.
-Two Dog Breeding websites has your name linked with the websites.

I for one say yes. It is his home, and you should know what goes on inside your home. Its time to take responsibility for your actions, and not blame it on so called "friends". He is lucky that he is an athlete other wise he could have been arrested for this.

[Logo]

If Michael Vick was a computer programmer and this happened to him, would you think his employer would suspend him? I would think they wouldn't have the chance to, he'd goto jail. Fighting dogs is illegal and deserves some punishment. I think since Vick is a football player, the NFL commissioner has to punish him publicly to show the league's disapproval. This is where I disagree. What does fighting dogs have to do with NFL? He should be punished legally out of court. I hate it when commissioners make public statements by disciplinary action. If it was an offensive lineman you never heard of, he would pay a fine and serve a sentence and no one would hear about it.

[DayWalker]

I think the police/city should take care of it.

He should be fined, like the law says.

It's really not the NFL's problem.

[mobbology]

I think the police/city should take care of it.

He should be fined, like the law says.

It's really not the NFL's problem.

like it wasnt NFL's problem with Pacman Jones entourage unloading a clip in a strip club. These players are being payed **** load of money and they are suppose to be role models. They represent the NFL and the NFL does not condone(sp) criminal activity in any shape or form. Why risk your employers image just because of their high status. They take it for granted and think they are invincible.

In Vick's case, this not the first time he had a run in the law. If he hasnt learned then by all means give him what he deserves.

Ricki Williams again with a dirty piss test, he dont back in the NFL.....screw him.

****.....Lock up Paris Hilton too! Everyone else did their time with a DUI, she should too.

My point is just they got high status doesnt mean they can be ignorant.

[Hayabusa85]

I don't agree with NFL suspensions for stuff that happens outside of the league but I do agree he should be facing criminal charges.

[UnReaL]

I think the police/city should take care of it.

He should be fined, like the law says.

It's really not the NFL's problem.

Well lets take this as if you were involved in it. No one knows who you are, and your company that you work for (unless your self employed) finds out that police raided your one of your houses (lets say you own 2) and found Dogs being bred for fighting. You would not only face criminal charges, but your company can easily fire you.

But since Vick is an athlete why should he be allowed to do anything he wants without punishment. He can easily buy his way out of jail time (unlike you and I), so the NFL has to take the situation into their own hands. The only way to do that is to suspend him and hurt his pocket books for that season. Mobbology made a perfect point. Your representing a company, and to represent the NFL (or any sports league) is a privilege which these athletes take advantage of.

With the Paris Hilton example: Why the hell do people care about her so much? Fans picketing to have her freed from serving jail time. WTF!!! Ask yourself this. Would she picket if you were going to face jail time? NO! I'm glad that Governator said, that he should not be wasting his time in these type of situations.

As privileged players, you have to take responsibility towards your team, and the league you represent. Now if you want to do whatever is you want, (Smoke weed, breed dogs, so on), than do it when you retire. That way, if you get caught than you face real punishment from real laws.

[DayWalker]

like it wasnt NFL's problem with Pacman Jones entourage unloading a clip in a strip club. These players are being payed **** load of money and they are suppose to be role models. They represent the NFL and the NFL does not condone(sp) criminal activity in any shape or form. Why risk your employers image just because of their high status. They take it for granted and think they are invincible.

In Vick's case, this not the first time he had a run in the law. If he hasnt learned then by all means give him what he deserves.

Ricki Williams again with a dirty piss test, he dont back in the NFL.....screw him.

****.....Lock up Paris Hilton too! Everyone else did their time with a DUI, she should too.

My point is just they got high status doesnt mean they can be ignorant.

My point was that the law can take care of this.
He's going to be fined. The NFL doesn't need to do anything.

it's not like Vick was beating up strippers and doing lines of coke.

How woud you like it if your emplayer fined you for getting a speeding ticket?

[netbevit]

When you sign an NFL contract, you sign to terms of not committing illegal acts off the field as well as on it. You guys are giving terrible examples of comparing this to some other job. It's not comparable to a programming job at Microsoft or a burger flipping gig at Burger King. They're not even in the same ballpark as this.

Michael Vick, yes, is considered a role model because he is a professional athlete, but that has nothing to do with this situation either. The problem is, when he signed his NFL licensed contract, he agreed to all terms on this contract. The guy isn't even allowed to wear certain brands of clothing because of his NFL contract that ALL players must agree to. Several players were fined at the Superbowl for wearing HATS, that's right, HATS that weren't "NFL Sanctioned"... I'm talking around a $150,000 fine for a HAT...

This is just like this scenario. If you're going to be involved with something illegal that effects the VIEWS of the NFL and the way they CONDUCT their business and business image, you're going to be penalized for it.

The NFL is not going to allow "Dog Fighting" as a poster symbol of acceptance around the NFL... It's just not going to happen.

He should be suspended, not only for dog fighting, but for being one of the worst quarterbacks to start more than 20 games.

[DayWalker]

I understand what you are saying... but it seems like an isolated incident... where he is going to be penalized by the law.

I think action by the NFL would be over kill.

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and the majority of you are crazy. A full season!!!! :shock:
get outta here... :lol:

[netbevit]

I understand what you are saying... but it seems like an isolated incident... where he is going to be penalized by the law.

I think action by the NFL would be over kill.

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and the majority of you are crazy. A full season!!!! :shock:
get outta here... :lol:

Action by the NFL is NOT overkill, it is THE LAW. Signing that contract and then going AGAINST it, is BREAKING THE LAW... That's what you're not getting...

The NFL penalizing Vick for breaking the binding contract he signed = Legal.
The federal courts penalizing Vick for breaking the law = Legal.

Neither is overkill, they're both Vick's doing by signing the contract and by living in this country. He had the choice to not do either, he also had the choice to know what was going on in a place he owned. This is all his fault and he has nobody to blame but himself.

[DayWalker]

well i respectfully disagree.

And from the looks of things, so does the NFL- pending the investigation.

[netbevit]

well i respectfully disagree.

And from the looks of things, so does the NFL- pending the investigation.


I don't think it really matters compared to how much of a failure he is of a player to begin with. Even Arthur Blank isn't coming to his side to defend him anymore. $130 Million down the drain for some kid who can run fast, throw a mile, but can't hit anything a mile wide or smaller. It's too bad the Falcons traded away the only star QB they had, Matt Schaub.

Ron Mexico, Weed in a Bottle, and now Dog Fighting... His rap sheet is slowly growing in the eyes of his supporters and the NFL alike. Soon he'll be on the same pedestal as Marcus.

[DayWalker]

I don't think it really matters compared to how much of a failure he is of a player to begin with. Even Arthur Blank isn't coming to his side to defend him anymore. $130 Million down the drain for some kid who can run fast, throw a mile, but can't hit anything a mile wide or smaller. It's too bad the Falcons traded away the only star QB they had, Matt Schaub.

Ron Mexico, Weed in a Bottle, and now Dog Fighting... His rap sheet is slowly growing in the eyes of his supporters and the NFL alike. Soon he'll be on the same pedestal as Marcus.

LOL, yes I can tell you clearly aren't a fan. Personally I blame coaching.

Ron Mexico??? Wasn't that an alias he used after getting an STD??? What's illegal about that?

And did the weed thing ever get confirmed?

[DontKnowMe]

I think a suspension is necessary, these guys make millions of dollars a year to play a sport, and they become role models whether they like it or not,so when they mess up, they need a reality check. He may have been directly involved, but he owns the property so he should be aware of what is going there and take responsibility.

[netbevit]

LOL, yes I can tell you clearly aren't a fan. Personally I blame coaching.

Ron Mexico??? Wasn't that an alias he used after getting an STD??? What's illegal about that?

And did the weed thing ever get confirmed?

That's the alias he used while GIVING someone an STD... rofl.

The weed thing came back "inconclusive"... But, let's be realistic, what the hell else are you going to hide in a FAKE BOTTLE OF WATER while boarding a plane? Seriously... I won't even go into the fact that he's an idiot for trying to bring a BANNED SUBSTANCE(Water bottle) onto the plane to begin with, rofl... That's just more pure stupidity.

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Also, bad coaching doesn't result in 53.8% passing, 75 QB RTG, the inability to throw for 3,000+ yards like AVERAGE QB's, and bad decision making... Those are things that Vick determines on his own, not the coaches. Coaches can be blamed for bad play-calling or not having his team properly prepared... However, 3 Coaches and 6 years is hardly room for "improperly" prepared excuses. It's pretty apparent, he's just a below average player that barely deserves to be in the NFL.

[Pong]

Would I suspend Michael Vick? Well, I'd have to study up on the NFL regulations and see if there was a breach to the contract. If there was a breach and it is proven through investigations then it would be a simple decision.

[MrFenwick]

Well he should be sent to jail for housing it. Like he "didn't" know. Only idiots don't know whats going on in there own home.

And I'm sure somewhere in the Contract states if your sent to jail then the NFL can do something about it.

But put him in jail, housing that crap is not called for. Like he needs the money from it.

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Of course I don't watch sports and could care less whats happening. But hurting animals for fun/money is just wrong. Should tie him up and let some animals get at him.

[netbevit]

Well he should be sent to jail for housing it. Like he "didn't" know. Only idiots don't know whats going on in there own home.

And I'm sure somewhere in the Contract states if your sent to jail then the NFL can do something about it.

But put him in jail, housing that crap is not called for. Like he needs the money from it.

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Of course I don't watch sports and could care less whats happening. But hurting animals for fun/money is just wrong. Should tie him up and let some animals get at him.

You can tell you didn't even read up on this issue, lol.

[MrFenwick]

Nope, didn't read nothing but the OP.

But knowing it he'll just get a slap on the hand and told to be good. Like all the other "role models" out there. Non are very good anymore.

[jakncoke]

I voted 1-7 games if Roger Goodell wants his tough policy to work he has to suspend Vick 1-7 , I was so sick of the criminals in the pro's getting slaps on the wrist , thats why I was happy when Pac man and the cincy wr got suspended so long , I see AJ Nicklson will also get suspended after his recent arrest. Goodell is doing great so far on almost all fronts of the game , trying to get 1 more wk , cracking down on criminals , trying to shorten the draft time .....although the SB outside the USA pissed me off alot.

[mobbology]

My point was that the law can take care of this.
He's going to be fined. The NFL doesn't need to do anything.

it's not like Vick was beating up strippers and doing lines of coke.

How woud you like it if your emplayer fined you for getting a speeding ticket?

i think if i was driving the company van, then by all means slap me silly. Yes i should be fired/suspended for driving recklessly in the company van. And to tell you the truth, i was hit with 3 month probation and took a drug test for getting a ticket while i was working for comcast (cable company in the bay area) and let me remind you this is just a ticket.....not a felony that vick is playing with.

But if i was driving on my own time with my own car, that would be different because your comparing an infraction with a felony.

[Chemo]

I don't think it really matters compared to how much of a failure he is of a player to begin with. Even Arthur Blank isn't coming to his side to defend him anymore. $130 Million down the drain for some kid who can run fast, throw a mile, but can't hit anything a mile wide or smaller. It's too bad the Falcons traded away the only star QB they had, Matt Schaub.

Ron Mexico, Weed in a Bottle, and now Dog Fighting... His rap sheet is slowly growing in the eyes of his supporters and the NFL alike. Soon he'll be on the same pedestal as Marcus.

Seriously GTFOH give him marvin harrison and we will see who has the last laugh and **** no vick souldn't be suspended.

[jakncoke]

Seriously GTFOH give him marvin harrison and we will see who has the last laugh and **** no vick souldn't be suspended.

Why would you want to ruin Marvin Harrison's career ?:lol: , Even Harrison couldnt help Vick become a good qb , just face it he's a excellent running qb but average to below average passing qb, I doubt he'll ever lead the Falcons to a SB win either.

[L0ST]

I think Vick is an idiot, If he doesnt shape up this season and get something done for his team, hes not gonna be in ATL next season I gaurantee that.

[DayWalker]

That's the alias he used while GIVING someone an STD... rofl.

The weed thing came back "inconclusive"... But, let's be realistic, what the hell else are you going to hide in a FAKE BOTTLE OF WATER while boarding a plane? Seriously... I won't even go into the fact that he's an idiot for trying to bring a BANNED SUBSTANCE(Water bottle) onto the plane to begin with, rofl... That's just more pure stupidity.

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Also, bad coaching doesn't result in 53.8% passing, 75 QB RTG, the inability to throw for 3,000+ yards like AVERAGE QB's, and bad decision making... Those are things that Vick determines on his own, not the coaches. Coaches can be blamed for bad play-calling or not having his team properly prepared... However, 3 Coaches and 6 years is hardly room for "improperly" prepared excuses. It's pretty apparent, he's just a below average player that barely deserves to be in the NFL.

Eh... I disagree. I know he has been struggling... but I don't think he has the weapons around him to go all the way. His WRs have never been that great, I personally am not a fan of Warrick Dunn after week 6... the team just falls apart every year... I don't think you can put the blame on Vick alone.

I think he's a type of athlete the position (and coaches) have never seen before, and thus don't know how to use him effectively.

i think if i was driving the company van, then by all means slap me silly. Yes i should be fired/suspended for driving recklessly in the company van. And to tell you the truth, i was hit with 3 month probation and took a drug test for getting a ticket while i was working for comcast (cable company in the bay area) and let me remind you this is just a ticket.....not a felony that vick is playing with.

But if i was driving on my own time with my own car, that would be different because your comparing an infraction with a felony.

exactly, and since there is apparently no evidence of his participating in it or having any clue that it was going on... I think a hefty fine is all that can be done.

[netbevit]

Seriously GTFOH give him marvin harrison and we will see who has the last laugh and **** no vick souldn't be suspended.

ROFL... Donovan McNabb was running **** for years with James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, and Na Brown... "Give him Harrison and we'll see".... Lmao... Sure... Look at Tom Brady... He won ALL of his SuperBowls with a bunch of #2 WR's... This entire Vick argument across many forums is getting old and tiring... The guy is a joke... He has arguably one of the best TE's in the NFL... He has a receiving RB in Warrick Dunn(one of the better receiving RB's in the league)... and that's more talent than Donovan McNabb had in his first 5-6 years in the NFL.

Eh... I disagree. I know he has been struggling... but I don't think he has the weapons around him to go all the way. His WRs have never been that great, I personally am not a fan of Warrick Dunn after week 6... the team just falls apart every year... I don't think you can put the blame on Vick alone.

Vick is in charge of making decisions for the offense... The offense succeeds and fails at the QB position 9/10. The blame is squarely on his shoulders which is why QB's have W-L records and other positions do not. Only 1 team in the past 20 years in the NFL has won a championship with a mediocre quarterback and that's the Baltimore Ravens. Michael Vick isn't going anywhere, he's nothing but a hype machine and a $100 Million dollar mistake as Arthur Blank is slowly learning.

[DayWalker]

ROFL... Donovan McNabb was running **** for years with James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, and Na Brown... "Give him Harrison and we'll see".... Lmao... Sure... Look at Tom Brady... He won ALL of his SuperBowls with a bunch of #2 WR's... This entire Vick argument across many forums is getting old and tiring... The guy is a joke... He has arguably one of the best TE's in the NFL... He has a receiving RB in Warrick Dunn(one of the better receiving RB's in the league)... and that's more talent than Donovan McNabb had in his first 5-6 years in the NFL.



Vick is in charge of making decisions for the offense... The offense succeeds and fails at the QB position 9/10. The blame is squarely on his shoulders which is why QB's have W-L records and other positions do not. Only 1 team in the past 20 years in the NFL has won a championship with a mediocre quarterback and that's the Baltimore Ravens. Michael Vick isn't going anywhere, he's nothing but a hype machine and a $100 Million dollar mistake as Arthur Blank is slowly learning.

he's not a stereotypical QB- which is what they have been trying to make him his whole career. Thus, they are using him incorrectly. And it is never good when the QB is the best athlete on your team.

[netbevit]

he's not a stereotypical QB- which is what they have been trying to make him his whole career. Thus, they are using him incorrectly. And it is never good when the QB is the best athlete on your team.

He's a QB who can run. That's it. There has been TONS of quarterbacks like him in the NFL.

Donovan McNabb, John Elway, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff Garcia, Joe Montana, Vince Young, Randall Cunningham, Doug Williams, etc...

Just because he is "faster" than the other "Running QB's" does not make him "different" in terms of Quarterback mold. If Donovan McNabb/John Elway/etc... could run the 40 in 4.3, they would STILL BE GREAT QUARTERBACKS in the NFL....

The reason Michael Vick is a terrible quarterback is because of the fact he lacks the ability to THINK on the move. He has no ability whatsoever to create something brilliant after everything has broken down EXCEPT for "run". He's always thinking "run" then "run" then maybe pass... He doesn't check down on his options, he looks for one option, panics, then takes off... He's not a smart kid when it comes to playing football... His ability to be faster than everyone else and throw the ball a mile is why he's in the NFL... If Michael Vick sustained an injury to his legs that took away the majority of his speed and brought him to a 4.7 or so 40 time, he would no longer be a starting quarterback in the NFL.... His accuracy is very suspect, he has no perception on putting touch on his passes, often causing players to have a less likely chance to catch the ball... and his vision as a quarterback throwing the ball is suspect at best... all of these things are problems he has had FOREVER in his lifetime. From High School, to V-Tech, to now...

When you take a look at GREAT Quarterbacks who can make plays when everything breaks down, you see why these guys are GREAT quarterbacks... Examples of this are Kurt Warner in 01' hitting Holt in the endzone with one arm free because a DE was all over his body and he threw a perfect pass while falling down, another example is McNabb's FOURTEEN SECOND 52 yard pass to Freddie Mitchell... Brett Favre has tons of running around in the backfield touchdown passes in his career... We all know Elway had them as well, you should know being a Broncos fan, ALL about those...

Michael Vick is the victim of a cruel DNA joke. God gave him speed and elusiveness like a GREAT runningback, but took size in exchange to prevent him from ever being that great runningback... Instead he gave him a cannon of an arm without the ability to hit anything in the open... I almost feel bad for the guy, to be honest.

[Blu-Ray]

Suspending him is a no brainer... Dog Fighting could send you to jail/prison... he shouldn't be treated like some King because he is in the NFL. Especially since he is the worst, most overated quarterback in my life-time.

[Pgsley]

I say no becuase i really dont think it is ok to punish a player for something that he does on his own time

[DayWalker]

He's a QB who can run. That's it. There has been TONS of quarterbacks like him in the NFL.

Donovan McNabb, John Elway, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff Garcia, Joe Montana, Vince Young, Randall Cunningham, Doug Williams, etc...

Just because he is "faster" than the other "Running QB's" does not make him "different" in terms of Quarterback mold. If Donovan McNabb/John Elway/etc... could run the 40 in 4.3, they would STILL BE GREAT QUARTERBACKS in the NFL....

The reason Michael Vick is a terrible quarterback is because of the fact he lacks the ability to THINK on the move. He has no ability whatsoever to create something brilliant after everything has broken down EXCEPT for "run". He's always thinking "run" then "run" then maybe pass... He doesn't check down on his options, he looks for one option, panics, then takes off... He's not a smart kid when it comes to playing football... His ability to be faster than everyone else and throw the ball a mile is why he's in the NFL... If Michael Vick sustained an injury to his legs that took away the majority of his speed and brought him to a 4.7 or so 40 time, he would no longer be a starting quarterback in the NFL.... His accuracy is very suspect, he has no perception on putting touch on his passes, often causing players to have a less likely chance to catch the ball... and his vision as a quarterback throwing the ball is suspect at best... all of these things are problems he has had FOREVER in his lifetime. From High School, to V-Tech, to now...

When you take a look at GREAT Quarterbacks who can make plays when everything breaks down, you see why these guys are GREAT quarterbacks... Examples of this are Kurt Warner in 01' hitting Holt in the endzone with one arm free because a DE was all over his body and he threw a perfect pass while falling down, another example is McNabb's FOURTEEN SECOND 52 yard pass to Freddie Mitchell... Brett Favre has tons of running around in the backfield touchdown passes in his career... We all know Elway had them as well, you should know being a Broncos fan, ALL about those...

Michael Vick is the victim of a cruel DNA joke. God gave him speed and elusiveness like a GREAT runningback, but took size in exchange to prevent him from ever being that great runningback... Instead he gave him a cannon of an arm without the ability to hit anything in the open... I almost feel bad for the guy, to be honest.

of the QBs you mentioned, only Randal Cunningham compares in terms of athleticism... The guy runs a 4.3 and had Barry Sanders like speed... and a cannon. Look how well the Falcons did throught the first half of the season last year. Then the NFL caught on to their gamplan and they were unable to adjust. I blame bad coaching and personnel. Vick is only not doing what he has never done...

I am not trying to argue that Vick is a great QB... I am just saying he's good but being used improperly which makes him bad.

Like I said, he is not your stereotypical QB, so they need to quit trying to make him one and focus on his strengths. Even if that results in an injury and the end of his career.

And I'll say it again- its never good when the QB is the best athlete on your team

[netbevit]

of the QBs you mentioned, only Randal Cunningham compares in terms of athleticism... The guy runs a 4.3 and had Barry Sanders like speed... and a cannon. Look how well the Falcons did throught the first half of the season last year. Then the NFL caught on to their gamplan and they were unable to adjust. I blame bad coaching and personnel. Vick is only not doing what he has never done...

I am not trying to argue that Vick is a great QB... I am just saying he's good but being used improperly which makes him bad.

Like I said, he is not your stereotypical QB, so they need to quit trying to make him one and focus on his strengths. Even if that results in an injury and the end of his career.

And I'll say it again- its never good when the QB is the best athlete on your team

DeAngelo Hall is a much better athlete and faster than Michael Vick, IMO.

Also, Cunningham is in no way the closest version to Michael Vick from that list... I'd say Vince Young is by far the closest... Randall was never running in the 4.3's, 4.4's at best.

Also, how do you change your game plan from the Falcon's coaches standpoint when your Quarterback is as versatile as a blind turtle? There isn't any room to have a diverse game plan when your Quarterback has no ability to create anything from nothing outside of running. It's not like the coaches can instantly give Vick the line of vision from the pocket they need for him to take over games with his arm. It's just not going to happen. As I've stated on TONS of forums, Vick against a SPEEDY DEFENSE that TACKLES WELL will always get owned. Always. Which is why he will NEVER win a Super Bowl in his entire career... When Vick plays poorly, he has no chance to regroup and move on from it during the game, he just simply continues to play at a subpar level, which is another problem of his...

Look at teams like Carolina, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, New England, Detroit, etc... Teams that are built on speed defenses and solid tackling ability... They often times more than not, own Michael Vick and any game plan the Falcons are trying to run.

The reason you see teams start to adjust to the Falcons and destroy them over the second half of the season is because of how 1-dimensional they are on offense. Once teams figure out the basis of the offense over the course of the first 8 games, it becomes abundantly easy to adjust and destroy it over the next 8 games. This has nothing to do with coaching, because these poor coaches are being forced to utilize an under-equipped quarterback... Why do you think they refused to trade Matt Schaub for so long? I mean, they even demanded a 1st Round Pick for him, right? Schaub has the versatility and the ability to make things happen, just like he proved through-out his entire collegiate career... Trading Schaub is going to end up proving to be one of the most costly moves the Falcons have made in team history... Once Houston builds a solid offensive line, Matt Schaub is going to start seeing Pro Bowls and Playoff games, no problem.

I understand you're not saying he's a great quarterback and I don't blame you. Someone would have to be off their rocker to believe he is great. The problem is, after 5-6 years in the NFL, you've had more than enough time to prove yourself as FRANCHISE quarterback and prove that you were worth not only the 1st round pick, but the $100 Million dollars the Falcons gave to you...

[PiP4LyFe]

Yes of course and charges should be filed if true.

[DayWalker]

I missed VY in your list... although if you wanna talk about hype... he might be a prime example. (my jury is still out on him- they will reconvene after this coming season) Randal was more agile than VY... and I will still never believe VY runs a 4.3... and I've watched him from college on.

Good QBs are hard to come by. (Trust me- I am a spoiled Elway fan almost a decade removed) Honestly, you really can't complain when you have a guy like Vick at the helm. It could be much worse... see Brian Griese ;)

You're right. Atlanta fails b/c they are 1D. And the coaches haven't devised a way to overcome this. They haven't improved the supporting cast, they haven't altered the playbook. They don't have a Brady, Palmer, Garcia etc, back there. They have Vick. You will never convince me that you can't break the mold of the stereotypical QB with an athlete like that and find some way to win.

I still don't know why everyone is on Schaub's bandwagon... but if anyone can turn a mediocre QB into a winner its Kubiak... see Plummer. A W is a W ;)

[netbevit]

I missed VY in your list... although if you wanna talk about hype... he might be a prime example. (my jury is still out on him- they will reconvene after this coming season) Randal was more agile than VY... and I will still never believe VY runs a 4.3... and I've watched him from college on.

Good QBs are hard to come by. (Trust me- I am a spoiled Elway fan almost a decade removed) Honestly, you really can't complain when you have a guy like Vick at the helm. It could be much worse... see Brian Griese ;)

You're right. Atlanta fails b/c they are 1D. And the coaches haven't devised a way to overcome this. They haven't improved the supporting cast, they haven't altered the playbook. They don't have a Brady, Palmer, Garcia etc, back there. They have Vick. You will never convince me that you can't break the mold of the stereotypical QB with an athlete like that and find some way to win.

I still don't know why everyone is on Schaub's bandwagon... but if anyone can turn a mediocre QB into a winner its Kubiak... see Plummer. A W is a W ;)

Everyone is on the Schaub wagon because when he's gotten into games he has shown glimpsed and signs of the ability to be a great leader and a great player much like he was in college. All you have to do is watch Atlanta vs New England where Schaub played... They may have lost by 3 points but Schaub made those mediocre WR's look VERY GOOD... something Vick has never been able to achieve...

Matt Schaub is probably my second favorite player at QB, TBH.

[jakncoke]

Schaub is way overpayed for 1 and Houston forgot to do 1 thing for him and thats get him a line , David Carr version 2 in the making . Schaub is doomed before he even sets his feet into training camp, I personally thought of him as a lifetime backup I was never impressed by him. Also I think its a shot on Randal Cunningham when you compare him with Vick , sure they both mobile QB's but Randal could pass something Vick has showed he could do on a consistent basis.

[netbevit]

Schaub is way overpayed for 1 and Houston forgot to do 1 thing for him and thats get him a line , David Carr version 2 in the making . Schaub is doomed before he even sets his feet into training camp, I personally thought of him as a lifetime backup I was never impressed by him. Also I think its a shot on Randal Cunningham when you compare him with Vick , sure they both mobile QB's but Randal could pass something Vick has showed he could do on a consistent basis.

I believe that's the point I was trying to make, Jason. That Randal Cunningham was an identical quarterback to Michael Vick and was still able to be successful. I was trying to point out that Vick isn't exactly a "unique" case at Quarterback because all he really is, is a faster version of these other mobile quarterbacks and that's it. Nothing sets him apart from them other than that and the fact that he can't pass on a consistent basis.

[DayWalker]

Everyone is on the Schaub wagon because when he's gotten into games he has shown glimpsed and signs of the ability to be a great leader and a great player much like he was in college. All you have to do is watch Atlanta vs New England where Schaub played... They may have lost by 3 points but Schaub made those mediocre WR's look VERY GOOD... something Vick has never been able to achieve...

Matt Schaub is probably my second favorite player at QB, TBH.

wow :shock:

I don't know... I remember the game and while he looked good... I didn't see enough to warrant his current bandwagon...

Schaub is way overpayed for 1 and Houston forgot to do 1 thing for him and thats get him a line , David Carr version 2 in the making . Schaub is doomed before he even sets his feet into training camp, I personally thought of him as a lifetime backup I was never impressed by him. Also I think its a shot on Randal Cunningham when you compare him with Vick , sure they both mobile QB's but Randal could pass something Vick has showed he could do on a consistent basis.

Agreed. Schaub is going to need eyes in the back of his head...

In comparing vick to randal... I was only comparing athleticism- not just straight up QB skillz.

But remember.... Randal heard a lot of the same criticism as Vick did early in his career.

And for the record... Cutler is the next great QB ;)
(crosses fingers and starts praying)

[coolguy]

yes they ban him for a full season.
HE IS NOTHING BUT A LOW LIFE THUG AND A DRUGIE.
AND TROUBLE MAKER. they should kick him out of the NFL....
i wish they shot him in the head

[netbevit]

Michael Vick should be thrown in jail after the new reports about him being for sure tied to dog fighting and being an actual heavyweight better in the "sport" itself... What a joke.

[DayWalker]

I am actually going to flip flop... after watching the coverage of dog fighting on espn I was disgusted.

Suspend him and throw him in jail.