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[Blu-Ray]

WWE!!





Blu-ray's Favorite Wrestlers:

1. The Undertaker
2. Triple H
3. AJ Styles
4. Samoa Joe
5. Mr.Kennedy
6. Bobby Lashley
7. Randy Orton
8. Shawn Micheals
9. Batista
10. Matt Hardy


AJJet's Favorite Wrestlers:
1.Randy Orton
2.Undertaker
3.Edge
4.The Rock
5.Elijah Burke
6.Marcus Cor Von
7.Shannon Moore (He should be CW champion)
8.MVP (BALLIN)
9.Mr.Kennedy
10.AJ Styles

RedOrb_Collector's Favorite Wrestlers:

1. Kennedy
2. MVP
3. Randy Orton
4. Kurt Angle
5. Christian Cage
6. John Morrison
7. Umaga
8. CM Punk
9. Elijah Burke
10. Jimmy Wang Yang.

Markonio's Favorite Wrestlers
1 -Edge
2 -Stone Cold Steve Austin
3 -The Undertaker
4 -Masked Kane
5 -Triple H
6 -The Rock
7 -MR. Kennedy
8 -Randy Orton
9 - Diamond Dallas Page
10 - Shawn Michales

Special Mention : Shane McMahon, Mankind and MVP (he will be in my top10 soon :smile:)



Please, don't flame the thread if you don't find the WWE entertianing. :(

[RedOrb_Collector]

First to post. Let me start off by saying I haven't been as hyped for Wrestlemania in years. It's gonna be sweet.

[Blu-Ray]

Because it's back in the "D" or Metro Detroit.... I didn't get any tickets, but Im going to Ford Feild tomorow for the thing they're having for it tomorow. Hope that I meet someone. :)

Here is the Wrestlemania lin-up:

United States Championship Match
Chris Benoit vs. MVP

Kane vs. The Great Khali

Women's Championship Lumberjill Match
Melina vs. Ashley Massaro

ECW Originals (Tommy Dreamer, Sandman, Sabu, Rob Van Dam) vs. The New Breed (Elijah Burke, Matt Striker, Marcus Cor Von, Kevin Thorn)

Money In The Bank Ladder Match
Randy Orton vs. Mr Kennedy vs. Finlay vs. Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy vs. King Booker vs. CM Punk

Battle Of The Billionaires
Umaga (representing Vince McMahon) vs. Bobby Lashley (representing Donald Trump) with Stone Cold Steve Austin as the special guest referee

WWE Championship Match
John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Batista vs. The Undertaker

[ps3isawesome]

Who do you like the most in wwe blu ray ???

[Blu-Ray]

The Undertaker!! He is the best man.. better the Hogan, The Rock, HHH, HBK,... he is the best period.

[RedOrb_Collector]

So is the Batista/Taker match the last match? Or is it Cena/Michaels? I've seen it shown both ways....I don't really know. But I think Batista/Taker has a lot more at stake and is more anticipated.

[Blu-Ray]

I think Batista and Taker's match is the real main event, so it is the last match. Plus Undertaker was the Royal Rumble winner..

[RedOrb_Collector]

I think Batista and Taker's match is the real main event, so it is the last match. Plus Undertaker was the Royal Rumble winner..

I hope so. It would suck if the best match isn't the last, and then we watch a borefest that will show Cena being superkicked and losing the title as the last one.

The ladder match is going to be awesome as well. I'm rooting for Orton.

[Blu-Ray]

LOL, Cena is starting to get old. They need to give him the "Bad Guy" role agian.

[RedOrb_Collector]

I never knew Cena had the heel role....but I remember he used to be that annoying Vanilla Ice copy....Who you rooting for in the Ladder match?

[Blu-Ray]

MRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDD DDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I had a username on MGS3 Online after him.

[RedOrb_Collector]

lol. I was rooting for Kennedy also, before Orton made it in.

[Maddog911]

Ok i got Jeff Hardy in the Money in the Bank. Cena better f'in lose i hate him. Everyone knows that Undertaker's gonna lose because that info got leaked out awhile ago. I want Chris Benoit to win. I could care less about the Diva match. I love Umaga and Bobby Lashley so thats gonna be a good one. But im guessing Stone Cold gets someone DQ'd and no one shaves their head. I want Kane to beat the Great Khali and i want the ECW originals to win just because RVD is on that team.

Oh and btw IM GOING TO WRESTLEMANIA 23!!!

[Blu-Ray]

You lucky.... *Insert Word*... I have to wait like another 20 years to go to a Detroit Wrestlemania. :(

[Maddog911]

Yea i got a ticket off Ticketmaster about a month ago for 100 dollars and they're close to center seats in the normal seating. If youve been to Ford Field before then they are the hard blue seats for normal football games. But im on the side where the cameras are so i wont be on TV

[Blu-Ray]

I have some more WWE News:

Kane is going to take acouple months off becasue he is having problems with his knee. It's not like I'll miss him anyways, Vince's story writers don't make any exciting stroy lines for Kane anyways. Plus, he needs his mask back in my opinion.

[MarKoNiO]

I love WWE !

WM23 so exciting, I am rooting for Kenedy, Benoit, HBK and The Undertaker.

If Batista wins hmmmm, I may not see WWE ever again !

btw no WWE tag team match ? London and Kendrick can do a good show, we need them in WM !
What about cruiser weight match ?

[Blu-Ray]

I think that the cruiser weight division sucks... it just seems like they put them there to take up time.

[MarKoNiO]

I love cruiser weight fights.
Jimmy Wang Yang soooo fun to watch !

Oh my favorite Diva es Maria :), what about you guys ?

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2588/mariave7.png

[RedOrb_Collector]

My favorite diva is the current champ Melina.

[Maddog911]

I like Maria the best. Cruiserweights are pointless but Jimmy Wang Yang's finisher is sweet thats all. MNM is no more because Joey Mercury's contract got terminated. I already knew that Kane is gonna take time off after Wrestlemania. Batista is going to win for sure even though it will suck. Ill be there and im going to BOO my head off when he wins. Hopefully everyone will boo. I know me and my friends will be

[RedOrb_Collector]

Even though I won't be there I will be rooting Batista on with all my support.

[Blu-Ray]

Batista has no real wrestling skills at all. He just got a boatload of muscles.

[RedOrb_Collector]

Who cares honestly. He puts on a good show. That's what wrestling has become.

[Blu-Ray]

Yeah, I totally agree. But sometimes he could be alittle to slow. Like his muscles are slowin' him down or something..

[RedOrb_Collector]

I disagree. For a big guy he's pretty fast. That's party why they call him the animal. There are slower big guys than Batista.

[Blu-Ray]

Just look at the guy he's wrestling at WM.. he's the fastest of them all! LOL.

[RedOrb_Collector]

Yeah Undertaker attacks viciously and repeatedly. Best pure striker like the commentators say.

[dc writer]

YOU CANT HAVE A WWE THREAD AND I AINT INVOLVED!!

I'm more looking forward to the Money in the ladder match! I'll be watching this on my satellite.

My pick is The rated R superstar "EDGE"

He has more personality than the rest of the contenders involved. Mr. Kennedy has potential, but he's not credible yet. He needs a compelling storyline!

EDIT: oh yea.. I'm hyped up for Stonecold Steve Austins return! my fav wrestler of all time!

[RedOrb_Collector]

lol Randy has just as much personality as Edge. Not only that Randy made a far better champion than Edge had ever been.

[dc writer]

WHAT!!!??? :lol:

Randy "No mike skills" Orton

Randy made a horrible champion. Thats why they had to make HHH return after a month and take the belt off him.. Remember?

[spacecataz]

im gonna get wrestle mania tommorow lol its gonna be awesome and i think udertaker is gonna win.

[RedOrb_Collector]

WHAT!!!??? :lol:

Randy "No mike skills" Orton

Randy made a horrible champion. Thats why they had to make HHH return after a month and take the belt off him.. Remember?

Remember Edge losing his title match by disqualification on purpose against Cena in order to keep the belt? Punk move.

Randy made an awesome champion. As soon as he reversed Benoit's crippler cross face with an RKO I knew we had a knew champ. Awesome match.

[dc writer]

The thing is, Edge was an effective Champ. Randy was given the ball but he couldn't hold on to it. Look at the longevity of title holders between them. Edge held on to the belt the longest.. not to mention he is a 2 time champ.

Heels tend to do whatever it takes to keep the belt. I can live with Edge pulling off a typical heelish move by getting himself disqualified to keep the belt... hey, King booker, JBL, Even Randy Orton himself did it as a Intercontinental Champion. It's kinda ironic how they were both partners "Rated RKO" and a awesome tag team at that. But now they're doing their own thing.

[Maddog911]

Im leaving in 3 and a half hours for Wrestlemania!!!!!!

[Blu-Ray]

Im going to watch WrestleMania for free!!! I know were I can to. 8)

[Stevie Carnage]

My cousin is throwing a big party tonight for Wrestlemania. Unfortunatly, I agreed to go see Stone Sour tonight, without even thinking that it would make me miss 'Mania. At least the DVD comes out on my birthday.

Match predictions:

Money In The Bank: Ken Kennedy
WWE Championship: Shawn Michaels
World Heavyweight Championship: Undertaker
Hair VS Hair: Trump (or neither, April Fools?)

[Blu-Ray]

Here is who I favor in Wrestlemania:

United States Championship Match:
MVP over Beniot from some type of Controversial ending.

Kane and Khali:
Khali since it has been reported that Kane will take acouple months off after WrestleMania due to a sore Knee.

Lumberjill Match:
Ashley, i guess that's how the storyline is suppose to go. :)

Money in the Bank:
MRRRRRRRR KEEENNNEEDDDDDDDDDYYY
or
Randy Orton

Battle of the Bs:
Obviously an April Fools Joke

WWE Championship:
Shawn Micheals...

WWE World Heavyweight Championships:
Batista is going to when because information was leaked acouple months ago on Vince stopping Taker's streak. :mad:

[MarKoNiO]

Batista has no wrestling skills at all !
He is slow, only has like 3 moves !

He can´t even do his finisher properly against heavyweights!!!!!!!!!!

GOGOGO Undertaker !



R.I.P
15 - 0

[Blu-Ray]

As much as I want taker to win... he isn't.. Vince has already planned to end his streak.

[Maddog911]

I dont understand how any of you can think that Mr. Kennedy is going to win. Neither is King Booker. They both suck and are pointless to wrestling.

Cena is a fag and i WILL boo him.

Its going to be gay when Undertaker loses and ill boo that too.

Jeff Hardy better do something amazing

Im rooting for Umaga

Divas are pointless....just good to look at

I hate MVP. The worst wrestler in the WWE. I hope Benoit breaks his neck in the crossface

Anyway im leaving within the hour for Wrestlemania

[Blu-Ray]

Whoa! Kennedy owns! I do agree with Kin Booker, he is teh sucks. And Cena is a fag... give him the heel..

[justintheman99]

I was always the biggest wrestling fan but lately I havn't followed it at all. It seems ever since the likes of The Rock, Austin, and Mick Foley left their full time positions the product has become somewhat stale and uninteresting. I just can't seem to get back into it.

Every year I ordered Wrestlemania, but this year there isn't one single match on the card that I have even the slightest interest in. It is quite sad really.

[dc writer]

Yea your right Justin, the Attitude Era was by far the best era for WWE/WWF

I only keep up with WWE RAW... Stopped watch Smackdown since Eddie Guerrero died... wow Can't forget his program with Ray Mysterio and Eddies Son... wow!

[Blu-Ray]

Kennedy wins the Money in the Bank match.

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Khali Defeats Kane

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[RedOrb_Collector]

Damn! That's awesome! Kennedy or Randy winning were my bets.

[Blu-Ray]

Hellz yeah. MMMMRRRRRRRRRRRR KEENNNEEEEEEEEEEDYYYYYYYYY!!

And Khali Cheated..

[justintheman99]

Expect Khali to do an angle with Kane next week on Smackdown to play out a storyline where Kane supposedly gets injured as he as been dealing with a knee injury and needs time off to heal it up.

[RedOrb_Collector]

For real? What happened? Khali won?

[Blu-Ray]

Yep, he won. Khali sucks... but he's entertaining just to look at. :eek:

[Colsworl™]

My cable box is busted so I can't watch WrestleMania. :(

Has it been a good show so far? I hear the stage is huge and looks really cool.

[RedOrb_Collector]

Haha yeah I agree. Guy's a monster.

[Blu-Ray]

I personally think that Ford Field was the best choice they've ever made. :)

[Blu-Ray]

ANOTHER UPDATE

Benoit defeats MVP

He doesn't even use the Crossface. 8)

[RedOrb_Collector]

Hmmm....kinda predictable I guess.

[Blu-Ray]

UPDATE!!

There is an attendance of 80,103 in ford feild. :)

[RedOrb_Collector]

What match is coming up next?

[Blu-Ray]

I think Taker and Batista.

[RedOrb_Collector]

uh.....? Why? I thought that was the last match?

[Blu-Ray]

update

Omg Omg Omg!! Undertaker Wins!!!!!!!

[spacecataz]

lol that match was awesome dude i knew taker would win tough

[RedOrb_Collector]

Wow. I didn't expect that one. Hats off to Taker.

[spacecataz]

hahahah macman got his head shaved lol

[RedOrb_Collector]

Does he look really weird?

[spacecataz]

lol yeah he looks like a turtle and he has big ears, cena vs hbk is next ill keep you posted...

ok well cena drove up in a mustang and then got in the ring and their was a streaker trying to jump in the ring lol but at the end john cena made hbk tap out lol that was a great match lol guess where next years wretlmania is gonna be at FLORIDA lol and guess whos going SPACECATAZ lol well if im still alive by then well thats it hope you wanted cena to win becaus i did...

[RedOrb_Collector]

Sooo....what happened? Anyone still posting here?

[spacecataz]

i edited my post go see it lol

[RedOrb_Collector]

Hmmm.....I see. The results are mixed for me.

I wanted Batista to win so badly. But I suppose their feud is going to last for awhile. This might be WWE's attempt to get Batista back to his former glory. Or maybe they'll push someone else to end Undertaker's reign before he retires....like Randy Orton. I hope so. He is the future of WWE.

Cena.....damn. I didn't care so much for this match but I was rooting for HBK I guess.

Bobby Lashley is awesome. I knew he would win.

Kane vs. Khali....err. wanted Khali to win. and He did.

I wanted Melina to win, but I don't care about Diva matches.

Benoit vs. MVP....I would have been ok with either winning. MVP has talent for sure though.

Ladder Match. MAN...I really need to see the encore presentation for this. I heard it was amazing. I was rooting for Kennedy or Orton. But I wanted Orton to win it more. Oh well. Kennedy rocks also.

[Maddog911]

Hmmm.....I see. The results are mixed for me.

I wanted Batista to win so badly. But I suppose their feud is going to last for awhile. This might be WWE's attempt to get Batista back to his former glory. Or maybe they'll push someone else to end Undertaker's reign before he retires....like Randy Orton. I hope so. He is the future of WWE.

Cena.....damn. I didn't care so much for this match but I was rooting for HBK I guess.

Bobby Lashley is awesome. I knew he would win.

Kane vs. Khali....err. wanted Khali to win. and He did.

I wanted Melina to win, but I don't care about Diva matches.

Benoit vs. MVP....I would have been ok with either winning. MVP has talent for sure though.

Ladder Match. MAN...I really need to see the encore presentation for this. I heard it was amazing. I was rooting for Kennedy or Orton. But I wanted Orton to win it more. Oh well. Kennedy rocks also.

Well i am back from Wrestlemania!!!!! Lets have a rundown of what i thought of the matches.

United States Championship Match:
Horrible match but i wanted Chris to win anyway because i hate MVP. Grade: C+

Kane and Khali:
Another disappointing match. O well Kane needs some rest anyway Grade: D

Lumberjill Match:
I didnt even watch the beginning because i left to go get my Stone Cold t-shirt. The ending was a double role up Melina won. i could really of cared less about this match. i just like watching Maria and Krystal. Grade: C: just because of the flying head scissors Ashley did

Money in the Bank:
Very nice match. Jeff Hardy of course frickin amazing. Edge got killed and he'll be out for a month because he has had a sore jaw from a while ago. He needs to heal up. I loved the RKO from the top of the ladder and the other 4 RKO's. Edge also gave everyone a spear as well. Grade: B+: even though i didnt want Mr. Kennedy to win

Battle of the Billionaires:
Very entertaining. Stone Cold was awesome. Shane came out and did his Coast-to-Coast which was awesome. Umaga is always fun to watch and Vince got his head shaved. Grade: A

WWE Championship:
Cena is a piece of crap and the worst wrestler ever. HBK is so much better. I was ****ed after this match. Grade: C: Just because i hate Cena with a passion. Even though HBK did some sweet stuff. It ended the same dam way as last year. He ****es me off because if there were no scripts he would get destroyed because he only has 5 moves. I wish HHH came out and shot him

WWE World Heavyweight Championship:
One of the most exciting matches ive seen. Never cheered louder in my life. Undertaker was awesome and it suprised me that he won because i thought he was scheduled to lose. But im so happy Batista lost because he canned wrestle. Grade: A+

*Spoiler*

Others:
Well there was a special match before Wrestlemania went live. It was a lumberjack tag match. It was Carlito and Ric Flair against Chavo and Gregory Helms. Carlito won with the Backcracker.

Also Ron Simmons did his DAMN which is always funny. I got to see Dusty Rhodes and Jimmy Hart and all the Hall of Fame inductees.


Overall it was a very sweet Wrestlemania to be at. Ill post pictures up later but my camera died after the Undertaker match so i was mad and now im charging the battery.

[Mist]

Looking forward to seeing the pictures, must be awesome to go to a Wrestlemania!

[Stevie Carnage]

So what were you guys saying about Undertaker and Kennedy not having a chance to win?

I really hate John Cena. The fact that Cena winning for the 3rd year in a row being the main event is utter garbage. And I can't believe how early they stuck the World Heavyweight Title match. It would have been a great send off having the Undertaker close the show.

[Blu-Ray]

I got some videos of WM23! Pm and I'll give them to you. That Money in the Bank was AWESOME.

[thekingofkings]

The Undertaker!! He is the best man.. better the Hogan, The Rock, HHH, HBK,... he is the best period.

I'll disagree, but I bet your happier then a dog in **** he's World Heavyweight Champion again!

So what were you guys saying about Undertaker and Kennedy not having a chance to win?

I really hate John Cena. The fact that Cena winning for the 3rd year in a row being the main event is utter garbage. And I can't believe how early they stuck the World Heavyweight Title match. It would have been a great send off having the Undertaker close the show.

AGREED!

Hopefully Kennedy will choose Cena, BEAT HIM (long shot lol) and go to RAW where he belongs!


Whoa! Kennedy owns! I do agree with Kin Booker, he is teh sucks. And Cena is a fag... give him the heel..

Kennedy is great. Awesome work ethic, good technician and excellent mic skills. Booker is good too and Cena should DEF. go heel! He needs to NOW is the time! He won't tohugh because he's a glory hog.

[dc writer]

I doubt they would turn Cena heel anytime soon. He is after-all selling the most merchandise. And I agree that they should turn Cena heel, I found he is better that way... but he is just as effective now, only because there is a split in fanbase and it makes it fun to rout against him. Cena is just so corny.

[Blu-Ray]

When Triple H comes back they should give him the heel again. He plays it perfectly. :)

[dc writer]

When Triple H comes back they should give him the heel again. He plays it perfectly. :)

I agree with that also. But don't expect that also, at least not now... they want to keep the DX thing going, but also, they want to give Shawn Michaels a rest, so I don't know what they would do.

I have a feeling they want to have Randy Orton do an Angel with HHH to get Orton more over with the crowd.

[minnis]

what do u guys think will happen in the post WM23 match? do u think edge will be there after his fall from last night ?? him and jeff hardy both looked pretty hurt.and what are they gonna do now with cena??? im a fan of his but enough is enough let someone else wear gold! I know its mmostly about merchandise and items being sold by him but he would sell regardless! rumors on the internet is that he has his head so far up vinces *** kissing it all the time is the reason he is keeping the belt for so long

[Blu-Ray]

I freakin' love Edge, but that hit he took last night night was serious.. I hope he's alright. Im also glad that my boy MMMRRRRR MOONNEYYY INN THEE BANNKKK...BAAANNNKKK.. won as well. But most importantly.. Undertaker beats Batista! woOt :dunce wo0t!

[RedOrb_Collector]

I just saw the Batista/Taker match (thanks Blu Ray) I must say that was the most exciting heavyweight championship match I have ever seen. To be honest I have never found Batista or Undertaker to have ever had a better match in their careers. Awesome. I'm huge fans of both and though Batista didn't win and I was rooting for him, I don't feel down at all. Best match ever.

[Blu-Ray]

Yes, I have to agree. Plus, I've never seen Batista as aggressive as he was. Maybe Vince is giving him a heel role. :)

And Plus I love that spear he give Undertaker after the starting bell. :twisted:

[Blu-Ray]

Sorry for double post...

MONDAY NIGHT RAW On Now.

If you didn't see Wrestlemania this is your chance to get a review of what happened.

[thekingofkings]

When Triple H comes back they should give him the heel again. He plays it perfectly. :)

Well I see it like this he will get a gigantic "pop" when he returns play the face card for awhile then betray Micheals ending DX turning him heel (Which he is BEST at) again. Defeat Cena at said PPV become WWE Champion for the 12th time! Cena/HHH feud through late 07 into 08!


Congrats to The Hardy Boys for becoming tag team champs again. LIKE IT SHOULD BE!

[justintheman99]

I just hope they actually do something with the tag division. Create some classic tag teams like they did in the 80's with the likes of The Hart Foundation, British Bulldogs, Demolition, Legion Of Doom, Strike Force, etc. Make the division worth watching and once again make those titles MEAN SOMETHING!

[thekingofkings]

I just hope they actually do something with the tag division. Create some classic tag teams like they did in the 80's with the likes of The Hart Foundation, British Bulldogs, Demolition, Legion Of Doom, Strike Force, etc. Make the division worth watching and once again make those titles MEAN SOMETHING!

The Killer Bees and Power & Glory!

[Cyrann]

You can watch Wrestlemania here:

http://www.watchtvsitcoms.com/wrestlemania.php

If anyone cared!

[thekingofkings]

You can watch Wrestlemania here:

http://www.watchtvsitcoms.com/wrestlemania.php

If anyone cared!

Awesome find! What else does that place offer!

[justintheman99]

That is an awesome find Cyrann. I have to ask myself though is that legal doing what this site is doing and showing Wrestlemania which is copyrighted to WWE for free? :suspect:

[Cyrann]

Awesome find! What else does that place offer!

There are movies (I.E. 300) on the site and a couple other shows! Just click the links and watch/look for yourself!

Cy

[Blu-Ray]

I didn't post the Wrestlemania Videos because of the Copyright thingy..

By the way, congrats to the Hardys for get the World Tag Team Championship!

[c.a.p]

I have pretty mixed feelings over Wrestlemania. There were certainly highs and lows. I mean, Undertaker is champ again and Kennedy is Mr. Money in the Bank. But also, Cena won (I can't stand him, got the ****ing title off of him.) and Khali yet again turns another veteran into a jobber. :rolleyes:

[Blu-Ray]

I think that Khali needs to get beat up more. Atleast make the match more entertaining. :)

[justintheman99]

I think Khali should go away and only return when he learns how to do the one thing that matters "WRESTLE". I would rather watch paint dry than that guy perform some of the worse in ring action of all time.

[Blu-Ray]

Then you have him go up against other big guys - which makes for a very SLOW match. Put him up against Rey mysterio again... that match was funny.

[DontKnowMe]

WWE has not been the same since they changed their name from WWF.

[Blu-Ray]

Actullay, I think WWE is starting to imporve now since Championships are starting to FINALLY switch. I remember back in the day when Austin, The Rock, HHH, and Taker would exchange titles like everyother week!

[gungravezero14]

It should be John Cena versus the undertaker.

[crash323]

I think the W23 was alright but when it comes to Orton he is way better the Cena in wrestling . But what makes Cena sells out PPV events is that all the male fans come to see him lose while the female fans come to see him win. I personally don't like Cena but I like that Cena in getting younger crowds like kids under 7 years of age into wrestling and making the WWE what it is a great show.

[Blu-Ray]

Nah, that would suck. Vince would have John Cena win... which in a real wrestling match he wouldn't.

[crash323]

Undertaker would win hands down

[RedOrb_Collector]

I think the W23 was alright but when it comes to Orton he is way better the Cena in wrestling . But what makes Cena sells out PPV events is that all the male fans come to see him lose while the female fans come to see him win. I personally don't like Cena but I like that Cena in getting younger crowds like kids under 7 years of age into wrestling and making the WWE what it is a great show.

Dude that was beautiful. My thoughts exactly. Orton is going to turn face again very soon I can feel it, it seems like he's going to get pushed again. Did you see the crowd cheer when he came out last night to interupt Shawn's interview? Those were some loud cheers. Probably because he was so awesome in the ladder match the night before.

If there is anyone...anyone that should be allowed to ever end Taker's streak it is Randy. Supposedly Taker himself wanted Kane to be able to end his streak, but Kane said a youngster should do it.

Randy Orton has all that a rising young athlete needs in wrestling, and the most important of those is that he can wrestle well. Way better than Cena.