Disaster Averted, Sailors going home!

[Lefein]

I'm sorry to bring this bad news on Euro Launch Eve for you guys, but you should know..

Iranian forces seize British sailors
By Janet Stobart and Ramin Mostaghim, Special to the Times
8:40 AM PDT, March 23, 2007

LONDON -- Armed Iranian forces today seized 15 British Royal Navy sailors who had searched a merchant ship in the Persian Gulf, Britain's Defense Ministry said.

Nader Daryaban, a correspondent in Tehran for the state-run daily newspaper Kayhan, said government officials had confirmed to him that the sailors had been detained. The officials would not disclose where they were being held.

"The Revolutionary Guards detained the 15 sailors while they were in Iranian water, not Iraqi's," Daryaban said the officials told him. "It is not the first time that the British transgress our water and inspect Iranian ships."

Britain said the incident took place in Iraqi waters, where it routinely boards merchant vessels with United Nations permission to search them. The Foreign Office summoned Iran's ambassador and demanded the immediate, safe release of the personnel.

As of this afternoon, there were no reports of the seizure on state-run Iranian television.

News of the incident reached London this morning causing immediate reaction from officials who demanded their release.

"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level," the Defense Ministry said in a statement. "The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."

Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett had summoned the Iranian ambassador for a meeting to demand an explanation. A Foreign Office spokesman confirmed that the Iranian ambassador would be meeting with Peter Ricketts, permanent undersecretary, who "would be demanding the immediate release of the sailors and equipment".

Reports on the BBC said the sailors were on the HMS Cornwall, a patrol ship that monitored the Persian Gulf route for Iraq's oil exports to the open market.

The sailors had boarded a ship to carry out a search and were immediately surrounded by armed men from a small fleet of Iranian boats and taken to Iranian waters, the BBC reported.
http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-brits24mar24,0,2976454.story?track=mostviewed-homepage

Who wants to take bets that this is Irans way of negotiating out of it's recent issues on nuclear proliferation?

4/4/07:
Iran's Pres has announced that he will release the hostages and the sailors will be returned to their homes.

[DontKnowMe]

This could lead to a war, but I think they will come up with another resolution.

[Mikleran]

Something similar happened a couple of years ago. Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3828377.stm).

Anyway, given the current status of Britain's Government, we aren't going to declare war on Iran any time soon.

[Lefein]

Something similar happened a couple of years ago. Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3828377.stm).

Anyway, given the current status of Britain's Government, we aren't going to declare war on Iran any time soon.

My guess is, GWB has a hardon enough to do it though..

[Firefox]

Man we need Al Gore as President as least we got flowers on our side. ;)

[DayWalker]

naw... this will not lead to anything... thankfully

[Firefox]

naw... this will not lead to anything... thankfully

If it did, I would hate to see conscription in America. :???:

[RMoore]

Well if the Brits get into it with Iran,the US will definitely join..No doubt.
I think it will be resolved.The Iranians aren't that stupid.

[Axe&Hammer]

Ahh shoot,if those were American's we would have another Gulf of Ton kin....oh well we'll get those Iranians real soon!

[Firefox]

World war III is going to be decided by who pushes the button quicker. (Metaphoric and
a in a bit literal Sense)

[Axe&Hammer]

World war III is going to be decided by who pushes the button quicker. (Metaphoric and
a in a bit literal Sense)

Wouldn't button location matter more?

[Firefox]

Wouldn't button location matter more?

Haha, nice one. I think our buttons are ready. ;)

*sigh* War is not the same anymore, we could wipe out our existence if
we ever did have a big nuclear war. :???:

[Xaor]

Haha, nice one. I think our buttons are ready. ;)

*sigh* War is not the same anymore, we could wipe out our existence if
we ever did have a big nuclear war. :???:

Thats why George worries me.

I can almost hear his laugh while pressing it.

I think this will all go over into nothing..

[J_bone]

this is going to be a good excuse for bush to call iran a threat. and encourage americans to go to war

[BlindSight]

That seems like more ammunition for Bush and Co. to start howling their war cries stronger then ever.

Cruising multiple vessels near Iran in tight waters had its desired effect?

[pnorris]

I just dont understand why people are so afraid of defending themselves. These Islamic Fascists want to KILL US. not just the United States, but EVERYONE, including themselves in the process if needed. Remember they are at war with us, we are not at war with them. We are defending ourselves and everyone else.

[poematik14]

Well the British were on Iranian waters when they werent supposed to correct?

If so, then Iran didint do anything wrong. How would you like it when a bully from school comes barging in to your house and looking through all your stuff? Thats what the British were doing, according to the original post. "transgress our water and inspect Iranian ships".

[Xaor]

Well the British were on Iranian waters when they werent supposed to correct?

If so, then Iran didint do anything wrong. How would you like it when a bully from school comes barging in to your house and looking through all your stuff? Thats what the British were doing, according to the original post. "transgress our water and inspect Iranian ships".

Depending on who you believe... The Iranians say that we were in their waters, we say they were in Iraqi waters.

The Iranians now say that the british in captivity say that they WERE in Iranian waters, but whether this is true, or whether the Brits were just saying it to get out... *shrug*

This is truly absurd.

[Firefox]

I just dont understand why people are so afraid of defending themselves. These Islamic Fascists want to KILL US. not just the United States, but EVERYONE, including themselves in the process if needed. Remember they are at war with us, we are not at war with them. We are defending ourselves and everyone else.

Oh wow, I think that just took the cake for the most Fox-news like, biased,
and conservative post of the year. When did Iraq or Iran ever attack you?

Defending: To fight back when the opposing site is attacking...which is not true in our case.

Its not like Iran is torturing and whipping who they are detaining right now which we do to
our "suspects". They are trying to resolve what they were doing on their seas, not
take hostage and wage a war.

Iran took it as a threat so they do have the right to detain and question, much like we would
do if an Iranian ship came on our coast.

[poematik14]

Depending on who you believe... The Iranians say that we were in their waters, we say they were in Iraqi waters.

The Iranians now say that the british in captivity say that they WERE in Iranian waters, but whether this is true, or whether the Brits were just saying it to get out... *shrug*

This is truly absurd.

Lol screw it....this news is just going to be another excuse by Bush to go to war with Iran. Better call the family and tell them to start packing and go to Canada until things cool down.


I just dont understand why people are so afraid of defending themselves. These Islamic Fascists want to KILL US. not just the United States, but EVERYONE, including themselves in the process if needed. Remember they are at war with us, we are not at war with them. We are defending ourselves and everyone else.


Ladies and Gentlemen, be afraid, because people of this level of stupidity still manage to walk the Earth. That has got to be the dumbest, most uninformed statement I have ever had managed to lose brain cells to tolerate. You make Fox News look like a Green Peace infomercial.

[Firefox]

Ladies and Gentlemen, be afraid, because people of this level of stupidity still manage to walk the Earth. That has got to be the dumbest, most uninformed statement I have ever had managed to lose brain cells to tolerate. You make Fox News look like a Green Peace infomercial.

I agree to an extent but I chose to respond in a more civilized way above. ;)

[J_bone]

this is going to get BAD if the soldiers are executed. it will be the beginning of ww3, with the chinese possibly going to sudan, british possibly going to iran, and america in Iraq, and as it shows in history when 3 super powers of the world are in a small area with a desired natural resourse (oil) it tends to start wars.

[Axe&Hammer]

Back in 03 or 04 this happened and they let the British go free after a few days.

[pnorris]

Lol screw it....this news is just going to be another excuse by Bush to go to war with Iran. Better call the family and tell them to start packing and go to Canada until things cool down.





Ladies and Gentlemen, be afraid, because people of this level of stupidity still manage to walk the Earth. That has got to be the dumbest, most uninformed statement I have ever had managed to lose brain cells to tolerate. You make Fox News look like a Green Peace infomercial.

You know what, even though right off the bat firefox and I would not agree on this whatsoever, atleast I would respect him for answering in a civil respectful tone that he did.

And for your information, i dont watch fox news, i rarely watch any news, and when i do either watch the news or read the news, i dont let people tell me who or what to think. I do that on my own. What did i say to make you so angry, all i did was express a point of view, and the best you could do is come up with the angry psyco-babble, that doesen't do anything for this topic, in fact it detracts from it. Im sure the least you could do is show some respect to the original author of this post by actually posting something meaningful.

Oh and by the way, not to disrespect your age, but what the hell am I doing explaining myself to a 15 year old? You have plenty more POV's out there to take into reasoning that your MTV beebop Blink 182 bands.

[Firefox]

The thing is, sorry if what I said seemed rude. But you are making a religion
look bad on the basis of nothing. Just because they are muslim what does
that have to do with politics? Its like reffering to Bush as a "Christian
Lobbyist" but we rarely do that.

It seems we like to divide our opponents and always link religion and their
own culture to their politics.

If you think Ahmedinejad or even Bin Laden are doing actions on the basis of religion
you are wrong, they are all doing in name of religion but in reality its for their own
personal gains...after all that is politics.

[momomike3]

I don't understand why anything conservative that is said is automatically some "faux-news" BS. The big name liberal stations are just as biased if not worse. Should I start CrapNN?

Fact of the matter is, they took these guys. They SHOULD give them back, because it very well could start a war. All Iran is doing is poking us. They've been doing it for awhile now, with disregarding any UN-anything. They can only do it so long before a strike is inevitable. Remember WWII? Appeasement is not our friend.

[pendinginsanity]

Let the Tomahawk missiles fly into Iranien airspace!!!

[Firefox]

I don't understand why anything conservative that is said is automatically some "faux-news" BS. The big name liberal stations are just as biased if not worse. Should I start CrapNN?

Fact of the matter is, they took these guys. They SHOULD give them back, because it very well could start a war. All Iran is doing is poking us. They've been doing it for awhile now, with disregarding any UN-anything. They can only do it so long before a strike is inevitable. Remember WWII? Appeasement is not our friend.

Its kind of Ironic, we detain and deport people with no trials and no one
cares (Ex: Maher Arar case). And now a similar situation is happening to us...
Iran says they are having legal proceedings so I can only pray that the soldiers
come back soon.

[momomike3]

We arent the ones breaking UN-Sanctions, Firefox.

[Firefox]

All I said is that its Ironic...I didn't say that they were right or we were right.

[pnorris]

We arent the ones breaking UN-Sanctions, Firefox.

Exactly. If we were doing anything wrong with the POW's we do have, the UN (especially seeing as how anti-american the UN is), would be all over us, but they are not. Its coming from inside, from the democrats and rebublicans to further their own political desires and futures.

[OKlondon]

This wont lead to war, it happen like year Iran captured 5 British soldiers and let them go, the exact samething will happen this time.

[MSU_4life]

You british need to get your damned soldiers back. It's been far too long.. Where is your will? You're an embarassment if this goes on more than one day longer without an ultimatim. I used to have such respect for the Brits. You need to strap on your nuts, and get your men and women back from these damned scum.

You risk losing ALL respect and clout if you delay any longer. US might have blown their shot at diplomatic supremacy in the world stage, but at least we've got some damned balls.

Make the move Britain ... We've got your back.

[PiP4LyFe]

Attack now, bring the draft back in the USA and Canada and all the allies of the British, it's time to stand up and really show these people where not screwing around.

[DayWalker]

You british need to get your damned soldiers back. It's been far too long.. Where is your will? You're an embarassment if this goes on more than one day longer without an ultimatim. I used to have such respect for the Brits. You need to strap on your nuts, and get your men and women back from these damned scum.

You risk losing ALL respect and clout if you delay any longer. US might have blown their shot at diplomatic supremacy in the world stage, but at least we've got some damned balls.

Make the move Britain ... We've got your back.

???
Hasn't it been like 3 days?
Pretty standard for soldiers being caught in foreign waters.
I haven't followed this story very closely but from what i understand the British embassy people get to check in on the solders soon.

I'm sure they are fine. Iran's not dumb enough to let this thing get out of hand.

[momomike3]

Still, daywalker, I don't think you can deny that the soldiers should have never been taken, considering their situation right now. It is very obvious that the Iranians are stirring the pot.

[RMoore]

Let add violation of the Geneva convention to the laws broken.They just showed the captured soldiers on Television.

So first they illegally detain them and now they using them for propaganda.

[DayWalker]

Still, daywalker, I don't think you can deny that the soldiers should have never been taken, considering their situation right now. It is very obvious that the Iranians are stirring the pot.

honestly I don't see what the big deal is...
If they were operating in Iranian waters... then yeah... they are understandably being detained.

They are doing what every other country would have done.

Now... I expect the detainees to be treated well and eventually released back to the Brits.

Personally I don't see what all the huff is about...
Iran claims they were in their waters... and they probably were close enough.
This will be resolved quickly.

[Stevie Carnage]

Well I can't say that I didn't see this coming from a mile away.

At least in Iran we already have troops close to there. If it had been North Korea, I'd hate the think what the United States government would do in order to send a sufficient amount of troops to that location. It's a shame that the US never finished with Afganistan.

I just hope we don't hear talk of a draft. I'm not sure my college years will last long enough to keep me out of it.

[RMoore]

honestly I don't see what the big deal is...
If they were operating in Iranian waters... then yeah... they are understandably being detained.

They are doing what every other country would have done.

Now... I expect the detainees to be treated well and eventually released back to the Brits.

Personally I don't see what all the huff is about...
Iran claims they were in their waters... and they probably were close enough.
This will be resolved quickly.



Because what Iran did is illegal.A warship has sovereignity in international waters and fleet ROE is to ask them to leave their waters immediately even if they were inside the 12 mile marker.But according to British GPS coordinates,Iraqi ministers and satellites they were in Iraqi waters,not Iranian and now putting them on tv is a violation of the Geneva convention..so it's kinda a big deal.

[DayWalker]

Because what Iran did is illegal.A warship has sovereignity in international waters and fleet ROE is to ask them to leave their waters immediately even if they were inside the 12 mile marker.But according to British GPS coordinates,Iraqi ministers and satellites they were in Iraqi waters,not Iranian and now putting them on tv is a violation of the Geneva convention..so it's kinda a big deal.

from what I heard they were along the disputed water border between iran and iraq.

And given the tension in the reason... I can't imagine Iran went into iraq to capture British soldiers... thus I must conclude that they were close enough to Iranian waters to warrant alarm.

As for being shown on TV... I say smart move. Let's everyone see that you aren't beating the crap out of your detainees.

[RMoore]

from what I heard they were along the disputed water border between iran and iraq.

And given the tension in the reason... I can't imagine Iran went into iraq to capture British soldiers... thus I must conclude that they were close enough to Iranian waters to warrant alarm.

As for being shown on TV... I say smart move. Let's everyone see that you aren't beating the crap out of your detainees.


Well why let the Geneva convention or the International rule of law stand in your way huh..:suspect: Iran broke the law,entered Iraqi waters and kidnapped another nations solders.Under law,they were supposed to tell them to leave even if they were in Iranian waters...Not capture them..That's the problem..Bottom line,Iran broke the law and continues to break the law.

.Seems pretty simple.Now let's hope the Iranians stop acting dumb for a few minutes before the Brits figure they had enough of this lunacy. The Iranians are putting on a show because they want to keep the focus off their terrible economy and the fact that a lot of people don't like the goverment or their president..

[OKlondon]

Let add violation of the Geneva convention to the laws broken.They just showed the captured soldiers on Television.

So first they illegally detain them and now they using them for propaganda.

How are they illegally detaining them, they were in Iran illegally. I dont see what the big deal is.

[DayWalker]

It would be a bigger deal if I didn't see the captives chilling on tv in good health and eating...

They're fine... for the moment... the Brits will get to check up on them soon and this will all be over with.

Yeah, it's a lame move by Iran... but whatever... as long as nobody is hurt and the soldiers are released within the next couple weeks.

[Sventax]

The Iranians want Irani (or whatever) marines that were captured in Iraq by the US.
It has nothing to do with their nuclear program.

[OKlondon]

It would be a bigger deal if I didn't see the captives chilling on tv in good health and eating...

They're fine... for the moment... the Brits will get to check up on them soon and this will all be over with.

Yeah, it's a lame move by Iran... but whatever... as long as nobody is hurt and the soldiers are released within the next couple weeks.

When this happen before the British troops were treated very well. People are only making a big deal because its Iran, if they got Iranian troops in America, America would prepare for war against Iran.

[DayWalker]

When this happen before the British troops were treated very well. People are only making a big deal because its Iran, if they got Iranian troops in America, America would prepare for war against Iran.

I agree.
The fact that its iran is what's getting people all uppity.

China, Russia, and the US would all do the same if they saw an "acquaintance" (like Iran) chillin off their shore.

[Vamp]

being a Brit I can say this whole thing has been blown WAY out of proportion

yes its a shame that weve had 15 or so soldiers of the MOD taken prisoner, hostage whatever!

BUT we were in Iranian waters so what the Iranians did is far from unexpected in my eyes

If the same event happened but the roles reversed the Iranians would also be detained by our MOD whats more I doubt the news of it happening would even be reported

the soldiers will be returned in my opinion, if they arent then the iranians could face world war III which they know they will lose so it would be hard to figure out a reason why they would truly want to provoke the UK (who have quite a fleet of nuclear missiles at their disposal)

[momomike3]

Well the british said they have satellite evidence that they were in Iraqi waters. So, they should work on getting them back.

[RMoore]

How are they illegally detaining them, they were in Iran illegally. I dont see what the big deal is.

Because they were in Iraqi waters..thats why..Iran's first coordinates they gave said they were in Iraqi waters too,then they changed it..Wonder why??:suspect: ..cause their lying?..probably.Not sure why your defending Iran in this situation when they are clearly in the wrong.


Now Iran says the British must admit they were in Iranian waters..The UK says it was not and will not admit it(and I don't blame them)or everytime they feel like it,that little terrorist country will try to capture someone.

Blair has done a great job so far.I would just give standing orders to my troops in the gulf that when in International waters or Iraqi waters to engage the Iranians if they try this crap again.

[OKlondon]

Because they were in Iraqi waters..thats why..Iran's first coordinates they gave said they were in Iraqi waters too,then they changed it..Wonder why??:suspect: ..cause their lying?..probably.Not sure why your defending Iran in this situation when they are clearly in the wrong.


Now Iran says the British must admit they were in Iranian waters..The UK says it was not and will not admit it(and I don't blame them)or everytime they feel like it,that little terrorist country will try to capture someone.

Blair has done a great job so far.I would just give standing orders to my troops in the gulf that when in International waters or Iraqi waters to engage the Iranians if they try this crap again.

Where do you come from Blair has done a great job!!! Honestly are you being serious!!

The troops were in Iranian waters thats why they were captured, its pretty standard procedure, happens everywhere else like this. Its because you are blinded by propaganda into believing that Iran is some evil and terrorist country.

Ofcourse Britain wont admit publically its bad press, but this aint the first time this as happened and in the end Britain will apologise and they be released.

[RMoore]

Where do you come from Blair has done a great job!!! Honestly are you being serious!!

The troops were in Iranian waters thats why they were captured, its pretty standard procedure, happens everywhere else like this. Its because you are blinded by propaganda into believing that Iran is some evil and terrorist country.

Ofcourse Britain wont admit publically its bad press, but this aint the first time this as happened and in the end Britain will apologise and they be released.

:suspect: :p Honestly,either you have never been to the middle east or not very well informed about it works. The Iranians(don't call them Arabs!) aren't evil,but their religous leaders aren't Saints...They have their hands in terrorist cells in Iraq,Hezbollah,Islamic Jihad and the list continues on... They have curtailed freedoms that the previous president(a reformer) put in place,etc

Guess you bought into Iranian propaganda that they were in Iranian waters when there is overwhelming evidence they were not....

and yes Blair has handled it great.He could have been forceful or whatever,but has come across in a great manner.


and you still haven't acknowledged that Iran broke International Law by capturing them. Which they have..
I just wish the Iranian people would rise up and take over from the zealots in power.

[Lefein]

Yes, don't call Iranians Arabs, they are Persian. Anyways, I hope a resolution to this matter is found soon. If it hangs into the weekend, then things could get ugly.

[OKlondon]

:suspect: :p Honestly,either you have never been to the middle east or not very well informed about it works. The Iranians(don't call them Arabs!) aren't evil,but their religous leaders aren't Saints...They have their hands in terrorist cells in Iraq,Hezbollah,Islamic Jihad and the list continues on... They have curtailed freedoms that the previous president(a reformer) put in place,etc

Guess you bought into Iranian propaganda that they were in Iranian waters when there is overwhelming evidence they were not....

and yes Blair has handled it great.He could have been forceful or whatever,but has come across in a great manner.


and you still haven't acknowledged that Iran broke International Law by capturing them. Which they have..
I just wish the Iranian people would rise up and take over from the zealots in power.

Who called Iranians Arabs? Okey so if they werent in Iranian waters do you think Britain would send troops into Iran, the US would have you are just itching to go into Iran. With all these BS about Hezbollah and talking about Jihad like you know what it means. America support IRA does that make them evil, or is that completely different?

I have family and friends in the Middle East please dont talk to me about how it works because you have no idea, you think you know it because you watch CNN.

[Magicjuan]

I just wish that we could all agree to disagree and find peace. This world is a sad place with so much blood shed. Sad thing is, the 3 Abramic Religions have so much blood shed between on another. We need to stop the violence and find peace. Unfortunately, it will never truely happen.

[RMoore]

Who called Iranians Arabs? Okey so if they werent in Iranian waters do you think Britain would send troops into Iran, the US would have you are just itching to go into Iran. With all these BS about Hezbollah and talking about Jihad like you know what it means. America support IRA does that make them evil, or is that completely different?

I have family and friends in the Middle East please dont talk to me about how it works because you have no idea, you think you know it because you watch CNN.


Best reply evar..:p Really,since you have nothing to back up your position,you try to insult me. Real Mature..
I've been in the middle east quite a bit actually. If you would like some information on how Iran finances most of the worlds terrorist organizations,I'll be glad to help you. America doesnt support the IRA?? Its on our terrorist watchlist..8)

[OKlondon]

Best reply evar..:p Really,since you have nothing to back up your position,you try to insult me. Real Mature..
I've been in the middle east quite a bit actually. If you would like some information on how Iran finances most of the worlds terrorist organizations,I'll be glad to help you. America doesnt support the IRA?? Its on our terrorist watchlist..8)

:lol: Where did I insult you, you are trying stuff up and trying to be sarcastic, it aint working. No I know about Hezbollah and Iran, but I dont see Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation, and Islamic Jihad as nothing to do with terrorism, if didnt watch CNN you would know that. BTW America did support the IRA, not now but really who cares now considering the IRA doesnt exist, but when when they bombing my home town, America sat back and did nothing but support them. So when America look at others and critise and call people evil, maybe you should look back at your own past before opening your mouth.

[Xaor]

You british need to get your damned soldiers back. It's been far too long.. Where is your will? You're an embarassment if this goes on more than one day longer without an ultimatim. I used to have such respect for the Brits. You need to strap on your nuts, and get your men and women back from these damned scum.

You risk losing ALL respect and clout if you delay any longer. US might have blown their shot at diplomatic supremacy in the world stage, but at least we've got some damned balls.

Make the move Britain ... We've got your back.

The difference is that Britain values peace, and we are working out a peaceful resolution, whereas, the Americans would think. Wahoo, we have the excuse, lets go.

[RMoore]

:lol: Where did I insult you, you are trying stuff up and trying to be sarcastic, it aint working. No I know about Hezbollah and Iran, but I dont see Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation, and Islamic Jihad as nothing to do with terrorism, if didnt watch CNN you would know that. BTW America did support the IRA, not now but really who cares now considering the IRA doesnt exist, but when when they bombing my home town, America sat back and did nothing but support them. So when America look at others and critise and call people evil, maybe you should look back at your own past before opening your mouth.

Hey if you like terrorist orgs,what do I care..that's on you...:)
What was America going to do ?? really invade the UK. We can't help what the British do,they have been occupying Ireland for centuries basically.and all their religious problems too..Really this discussion serves no point.Common sense people will see what Iran is doing.

as for Hezbollah and Islamic jihad..the sooner Israel wipes them out the better off the world will be...

[OKlondon]

Hey if you like terrorist orgs,what do I care..that's on you...:)
What was America going to do ?? really invade the UK. We can't help what the British do,they have been occupying Ireland for centuries basically.and all their religious problems too..Really this discussion serves no point.Common sense people will see what Iran is doing.

as for Hezbollah and Islamic jihad..the sooner Israel wipes them out the better off the world will be...

So dont mind giving IRA money but you wont go in there to sought it out?

But you go into Iraq and probably soon Iran, why? Theres religious problems, the problems been going on for ages aswell.

What about PKK, they been bombing Turkey for ages now, but America wont allow Turkey to go and kill them. In summer they said no to Turkey, even though PKK kill Turkish soldiers all the time. What about all the bombs going off in Turkey.

What about Chechia why doesnt America do anything about that. What about Africa and all the chaos there. What about all the people Israel kill? America doesnt give a crap about terrorism, they use it as an excuse to attack and take over countries. What has Hezbollah got to do with America, nothing. You talk about the terrorist cells in Iraq, you mean the people that want to their country back or whats left with it, that attackt the millatary, I dont see that has a terrorist attack, not more than your soldiers attacking and kill civlians there or raping the women. Only a few nations in the world actually see Hezbollah as a terrorist org.

BTW where did I say that I like terrorist orgs?

Xaor well said!!

[RMoore]

So dont mind giving IRA money but you wont go in there to sought it out?

But you go into Iraq and probably soon Iran, why? Theres religious problems, the problems been going on for ages aswell.

What about PKK, they been bombing Turkey for ages now, but America wont allow Turkey to go and kill them. In summer they said no to Turkey, even though PKK kill Turkish soldiers all the time. What about all the bombs going off in Turkey.

What about Chechia why doesnt America do anything about that. What about Africa and all the chaos there. What about all the people Israel kill? America doesnt give a crap about terrorism, they use it as an excuse to attack and take over countries. What has Hezbollah got to do with America, nothing. You talk about the terrorist cells in Iraq, you mean the people that want to their country back or whats left with it, that attackt the millatary, I dont see that has a terrorist attack, not more than your soldiers attacking and kill civlians there or raping the women. Only a few nations in the world actually see Hezbollah as a terrorist org.

BTW where did I say that I like terrorist orgs?

Xaor well said!!

1.hmm I never gave the IRA any money and neither has the US..maybe some citizens have donated at a local bar in Boston or something.I don't know...

2.Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad have been doing bombings for years.Marine Barracks in Lebanon,kidnapping Israeli solders,firing misslies onto civillians and the list goes on. Sorry you can't see that or either choose to deny it.Fine

3.Terrorist cells in Iraq...Yes those brave fighters who want their country back by blowing up innocents in Markets,killing police officers..blowing up a Mosque..Cowards who try to use religon to commit murder..brave :rolleyes:

4.America does so much good for the world but gets so much trash about it..We feed most of Africa,help people after tsunami's,provide financial relief for poor countries.I do agree on one thing..maybe we need to stop being so nice and quit helping everyone and keep our nose out of the world and see how it goes..

[OKlondon]

1.hmm I never gave the IRA any money and neither has the US..maybe some citizens have donated at a local bar in Boston or something.I don't know...

2.Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad have been doing bombings for years.Marine Barracks in Lebanon,kidnapping Israeli solders,firing misslies onto civillians and the list goes on. Sorry you can't see that or either choose to deny it.Fine

3.Terrorist cells in Iraq...Yes those brave fighters who want their country back by blowing up innocents in Markets,killing police officers..blowing up a Mosque..Cowards who try to use religon to commit murder..brave :rolleyes:

4.America does so much good for the world but gets so much trash about it..We feed most of Africa,help people after tsunami's,provide financial relief for poor countries.I do agree on one thing..maybe we need to stop being so nice and quit helping everyone and keep our nose out of the world and see how it goes..

1. Hmmm I think you guys do. Look at the guns that IRA use, American guns. The country that thinks the Middle East is evil funds terrorism.

2. Bombing for years, kidnapping, firing missiles, I wonder who else that sounds like Israel maybe. Wait Wait, didnt the US us similar tactics.

3. A Muslims blowing up a Mosque? People killing their own people. I think you mean the people killing US soldiers. Yeah that really terrorism.

4. Yeah America has done so much, becuase Afganhstan and Iraq are some of best places to go to now. Yeah and people of Africa are really spolit when it comes down to food. All those people after Hurricane Katrina are really happy to be American. Maybe you should keep your noses out of other people's businesses, thought you would have learnt that after Vietnam, or maybe you lot should choose more wisely about who's business you get involved in.

[Svetlana]

You british need to get your damned soldiers back. It's been far too long.. Where is your will? You're an embarassment if this goes on more than one day longer without an ultimatim. I used to have such respect for the Brits. You need to strap on your nuts, and get your men and women back from these damned scum.

You risk losing ALL respect and clout if you delay any longer. US might have blown their shot at diplomatic supremacy in the world stage, but at least we've got some damned balls.

Make the move Britain ... We've got your back.

That is such a flawed mentality you've got there. If Britain takes the American's trigger happy approach to diplomacy it would probably face even more international condemnation which, I'm sure, Blair wouldn't want any more of after the Iraq disaster.

Hopefully Britain will get the hostages back through diplomacy rather than brute force although it has to be an option. It beggars belief how stubborn the leaders are in the middle east.

[DINAMO788]

im alte on this so i dont know whats being discussed....but kinda **** the rest of the world i agree britian does need to be careful so they dont end up looking more like the US but everyone is FAR too lieniant with iran.

also hopefully im not too late, but was there an explaintion for why the released tape of the woman was so...nice? how she was saying thy are such ncie people and are treating them well and all that. i dont know whats going on but something is up for sure. shes the only one said to be released soon and im suspecting theres some kind of blackmail where she cant say how she really feels, even after shes free for fear of what might happen to the remaining soldiers

[OKlondon]

im alte on this so i dont know whats being discussed....but kinda **** the rest of the world i agree britian does need to be careful so they dont end up looking more like the US but everyone is FAR too lieniant with iran.

also hopefully im not too late, but was there an explaintion for why the released tape of the woman was so...nice? how she was saying thy are such ncie people and are treating them well and all that. i dont know whats going on but something is up for sure. shes the only one said to be released soon and im suspecting theres some kind of blackmail where she cant say how she really feels, even after shes free for fear of what might happen to the remaining soldiers

Iran are generally nice to their hostages, it happened before when they captured the British soldiers, they said they were treated very nicely. I know for someone like you its hard to believe. Also why is the world being far too lieniant with Iran?

[RMoore]

1. Hmmm I think you guys do. Look at the guns that IRA use, American guns. The country that thinks the Middle East is evil funds terrorism.

2. Bombing for years, kidnapping, firing missiles, I wonder who else that sounds like Israel maybe. Wait Wait, didnt the US us similar tactics.

3. A Muslims blowing up a Mosque? People killing their own people. I think you mean the people killing US soldiers. Yeah that really terrorism.

4. Yeah America has done so much, becuase Afganhstan and Iraq are some of best places to go to now. Yeah and people of Africa are really spolit when it comes down to food. All those people after Hurricane Katrina are really happy to be American. Maybe you should keep your noses out of other people's businesses, thought you would have learnt that after Vietnam, or maybe you lot should choose more wisely about who's business you get involved in.

So pray tell..what benevolent country are you from..:p What have you guys done?
This should be interesting..The IRA also used British,Chinese,Russian weapons too..what about that..yeah?

Yes,they( muslims blew up a mosque) check it out..Its a common fact..Al-jazerra might not report it though...maybe the BBC did?

Afghanistan..yeah its better than it was.A least a religous fanatical group isn't running the country.A group that beat women based their beliefs..:rolleyes: I'm through with this..You hate Amercia and that's fine with me..get in line.:mrgreen:

[OKlondon]

So pray tell..what benevolent country are you from..:p What have you guys done?
This should be interesting..The IRA also used British,Chinese,Russian weapons too..what about that..yeah?

Yes,they( muslims blew up a mosque) check it out..Its a common fact..Al-jazerra might not report it though...maybe the BBC did?

Afghanistan..yeah its better than it was.A least a religous fanatical group isn't running the country.A group that beat women based their beliefs..:rolleyes: I'm through with this..You hate Amercia and that's fine with me..get in line.:mrgreen:

I m mixed race. Firstly I dont think any of these countries have done anything special and are not squeeky clean themselves. Secondly I dont hate America.

Afghanistand is worse off, they liked how it was before, also dont listen to all the crap about women getting beaten up, theres higher crime including domestic violence in the western countries compared to the Middle East. Also America is the reason for why Sunnis hate Shiites and visa versa, before all this crap with America there was never any violence between the two.

I dont hate America but what I do hate is that people think America is so amazing and innocent and countries like Iran, etc are evil. All I can say is that Iran is not the one that is invading other countries.

[RMoore]

I m mixed race, I m half Turkish, quarter Italian and quarter English. Firstly I dont think any of these countries have done anything special and are not squeeky clean themselves. Secondly I dont hate America.

Afghanistand is worse off, they liked how it was before, also dont listen to all the crap about women getting beaten up, theres higher crime including domestic violence in the western countries compared to the Middle East. Also America is the reason for why Sunnis hate Shiites and visa versa, before all this crap with America there was never any violence between the two.

I dont hate America but what I do hate is that people think America is so amazing and innocent and countries like Iran, etc are evil. All I can say is that Iran is not the one that is invading other countries.


:-D omg..I've heard it all..so there hasnt been problems with the Sunnis/Shiites before 2003.???? You really don't know what your talking about? There was secular differences in Iraq for years..Just Saddam kept the people in line with tortue,gassed exterminations(Kurds,etc)

Do you like music? Do you think women should be able to read,vote etc? Do you think a man should be able to shave his beard if he wants to..Well with the Taliban in charge,you couldn't..Relgious fundamentalism is the most dangerous thing in the world.People who use religon as a excuse to treat people differently.

You dont want to believe the truth,but it's in plain sight.

[OKlondon]

:-D omg..I've heard it all..so there hasnt been problems with the Sunnis/Shiites before 2003.???? You really don't know what your talking about? There was secular differences in Iraq for years..Just Saddam kept the people in line with tortue,gassed exterminations(Kurds,etc)

Do you like music? Do you think women should be able to read,vote etc? Do you think a man should be able to shave his beard if he wants to..Well with the Taliban in charge,you couldn't..Relgious fundamentalism is the most dangerous thing in the world.People who use religon as a excuse to treat people differently.

You dont want to believe the truth,but it's in plain sight.

:lol: Do you think US involvement in the Middle East started in 2003. :lol: Plain sight of what, its not as bad as you think, sure its not like America where you have the freedom to do pracitcally anything you want. Sure there are people who use religion for their own purposes and its bad. But theres no crime there and majority of people are happy. If people were so upset with the way it was before why are people still fighting against America.

[momomike3]

You obviously don't know history if you think America started hatred between Sunni's and Shiites.

And you seem pretty hateful of America, and because people are proud of our country? Because we love being the most free country in the world? You can have your socialism any day.

There is NO defending Iran anymore. It has been PROVEN that they were in Iraqi waters. Their leaders are EVIL. Yep, I said it. They are some of the most evil people in the world.

[OKlondon]

You obviously don't know history if you think America started hatred between Sunni's and Shiites.

And you seem pretty hateful of America, and because people are proud of our country? Because we love being the most free country in the world? You can have your socialism any day.

There is NO defending Iran anymore. It has been PROVEN that they were in Iraqi waters. Their leaders are EVIL. Yep, I said it. They are some of the most evil people in the world.

I ll be honest I dont know whether to laugh or cry. Who started the hatred between Sunni's and Shiites. Check it up on wikipedia or somewhere considering that probably dont even know the difference between them. Everyone is proud of their country, but lets face it you take piss even out of yourselves, you lot must be very proud.

Defend Iran from what, how they are evil?

[DINAMO788]

well some socialist governments like the ones in northern europe are actually among the best governments in the world...and certainly among the least corrupt. i think they are a socialist monarchy but not sure...whatever finland is lol.

and you really do have to be blind not to see the danger and the evil in this man. like hitler, he was not a fool and knows full well what he is doing....lets not make the same mistake again.

as a former israeli prime minister said, "the jewish people are not again going to be set for a second holocaust by a man who denies the first holocaust as he prepares for our annihilation."

[roadkill]

Let add violation of the Geneva convention to the laws broken.They just showed the captured soldiers on Television.

So first they illegally detain them and now they using them for propaganda.

The Geneva convention only applies in such a case to Nations who are in a state of war. Britain and Iran aren't at war, they have every right to do this. Anyway, britain hasn't exactly a track record of 'telling the truth' about Middle Eastern issues.

Add to that, Iran has published their own GPS evidence. I'll take their word for it - given britains track record.

[DINAMO788]

track record aside, do you trust the honesty and integrity of the iranian government and their president over that of England?

[MSU_4life]

That is such a flawed mentality you've got there. If Britain takes the American's trigger happy approach to diplomacy it would probably face even more international condemnation which, I'm sure, Blair wouldn't want any more of after the Iraq disaster.

Hopefully Britain will get the hostages back through diplomacy rather than brute force although it has to be an option. It beggars belief how stubborn the leaders are in the middle east.

It's not flawed mentality. Nobody's asking for a war. Just send in some special forces and get them back... They broke international laws... Anyone who believes the iranians aren't lying about the coordinates are fools. Britain has the GPS data to back up the fact that they were in iraqi waters. Even if they were in Iranian waters (which they weren't), they still broke law by taking them by force and kidnapping them.

Next they showed them on Television as what was a pathetically thinly veiled propaghanda scheme by Tehran. Now they're forcing them to forge letters saying that they're all sorry and blah blah... we should leave iraq..(which for the record I believe as well).

Case in Point: Britain, once one of the worlds superpowers (or at least well respected), is brought to it's knees diplomatically and militarily by what is essentially a country run by a terrorist organization. Shame.. I maintain my stance.

[momomike3]

Roadkill you are a joke. The British not trusted when compared to the Iranians?!?!? Believing a western-blood hungry theocracy over an established nation of integrity for centuries? Stop being the devil's advocate.

[MSU_4life]

Iran are generally nice to their hostages, it happened before when they captured the British soldiers, they said they were treated very nicely. I know for someone like you its hard to believe. Also why is the world being far too lieniant with Iran?

uhmm... If you consider being blindfolded, tossed into a pit with guns at your back in a mock execution to instill fear "treated very nicely" then yeah...

Do some research historically... They treated the hostages pretty damned bad last time this happened. Sure it was resolved, but to say they were nice about it is ignorant.

[OKlondon]

uhmm... If you consider being blindfolded, tossed into a pit with guns at your back in a mock execution to instill fear "treated very nicely" then yeah...

Do some research historically... They treated the hostages pretty damned bad last time this happened. Sure it was resolved, but to say they were nice about it is ignorant.

Do you have proof of this?

Also what do you expect, for them to put you into a 5 star hotel.

I find it that you can talk about how bad Iran treats others when every country does the same thing, do you think America was so kind to the people that kidnapped?

[MSU_4life]

Do you have proof of this?

Also what do you expect, for them to put you into a 5 star hotel.

I find it that you can talk about how bad Iran treats others when every country does the same thing, do you think America was so kind to the people that kidnapped?

"There's no doubt that our people who were captured then were treated in an outrageous manner. They were shown on television blindfolded, shuffling around. They were made to fear for their life, digging trenches and standing in them with people with weapons above them, some were separated, and rounds were fired to make them think the others had been killed. It was fairly outrageous."

From the head of the royal navy at the time... Read the interview if you wish.

Disgusting actually...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262000,00.html

Before you quip about fox news, you can find the same comment on any large news source...

America wasn't always kind to prisoners, but we have an obligation.. When the mistakes were exposed the proper people were punished. so Yes we try to treat others with respect in accordance to international laws.

If you don't want your people back, then that's your right to your opinion I guess. If Iran kidnapped one of my country's women, I'd want something done. I'm going to say it right now people... Diplomacy will not work this time.

[OKlondon]

"There's no doubt that our people who were captured then were treated in an outrageous manner. They were shown on television blindfolded, shuffling around. They were made to fear for their life, digging trenches and standing in them with people with weapons above them, some were separated, and rounds were fired to make them think the others had been killed. It was fairly outrageous."

From the head of the royal navy at the time... Read the interview if you wish.

Disgusting actually...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262000,00.html

Before you quip about fox news, you can find the same comment on any large news source...

If you don't want your people back, then that's your right to your opinion I guess. If Iran kidnapped one of my country's women, I'd want something done. I'm going to say it right now people... Diplomacy will not work this time.

I dont see the pictures but did it look like something like this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2004/12/09/image660193.jpg

http://www.freethefive.org/multimedia/photos/guantanamo.jpg

As others said before, Britain looks to deal with these problems without turning to violence.

[DINAMO788]

the trouble is the Iran does whatever they want, regardless of what the international rules of war or whatever the rules are. yes i know america also does many shady things with guantanamo but iran only abides by their own rules......and are crazy mofos...mainly their pres...for evidence. 1 EX: see holocaust conference

[MSU_4life]

I dont see the pictures but did it look like something like this:

As others said before, Britain looks to deal with these problems without turning to violence.

That's completely irrelevant... Those were terrorists, criminals and militants of the worst kind. And do you know how to read??? Apparently not as I explained above how once mistakes were made the proper people were punished and prosecuted. (edit: may have added after you posted... see above post)

The difference is that the british soldiers you seem to care NOTHING about are not guilty of a single thing. They were in iraqi waters as confirmed by helicopter gps, as well as the mother ships Xeres GPS Data tracking systems. They were doing patrols for Years under UN orders.

I ask again what are you trying to prove by posting pictures of past mistakes that have absoutely NO bearing on current events that we were discussing in this thread? Please stay on topic.

Britain is quickly becoming the proverbial "******ed kid on a bike", and if they continue to do nothing to stand up for themselves or their countrymen, then everyone's going to get a kick or two in at their expense. as it should be for any country that resolves to do nothing in the face of crimes and confrontation.

[OKlondon]

the trouble is the Iran does whatever they want, regardless of what the international rules of war or whatever the rules are. yes i know america also does many shady things with guantanamo but iran only abides by their own rules......and are crazy mofos...mainly their pres...for evidence. 1 EX: see holocaust conference

I can see your point Dinamo, considering what Iran has said in the past and the strides that they are making with nuclear.... (not going to go into that). It would seem better if they didnt make to make waves in international affairs considering all the publicity they have been getting. I dont believe that Iran are evil, you said that the president is similar to Hitler, I m not going to comment on that but I can see how you can think that. Its interesting (scary, funny, whatever word suits you best) to see what Iran will do in the next couple of years. Also what will happen with Iraq if Iraq went smoother America would have already invaded Iran.

Anyway I think this will situation will be soughted out very soon and will be forgotten about quickly.


That's completely irrelevant... Those were terrorists, criminals and militants of the worst kind. And do you know how to read??? Apparently not as I explained above how once mistakes were made the proper people were punished and prosecuted. (edit: may have added after you posted... see above post)

The difference is that the british soldiers you seem to care NOTHING about are not guilty of a single thing. They were in iraqi waters as confirmed by helicopter gps, as well as the mother ships Xeres GPS Data tracking systems. They were doing patrols for Years under UN orders.

I ask again what are you trying to prove by posting pictures of past mistakes that have absoutely NO bearing on current events that we were discussing in this thread? Please stay on topic.

Britain is quickly becoming the proverbial "******ed kid on a bike", and if they continue to do nothing to stand up for themselves or their countrymen, then everyone's going to get a kick or two in at their expense. as it should be for any country that resolves to do nothing in the face of crimes and confrontation.


Its relavant considering that you are calling Iran evil for torturing but America... It doesnt matter who they are, torturing is torturing!!

Firstly you asked me once, not again why I showed the pictures, above explains why.

Britain said they were in Iraq waters and Iran says they were Iranian waters, its up to you who to believe in. But this is the second time this has happen, obviously they arent going to admit to be in Iranian waters. If they were kidnapped do you think a more aggressive approach would have been made by Britain.

[MSU_4life]

I can see your point Dinamo, considering what Iran has said in the past and the strides that they are making with nuclear.... (not going to go into that). It would seem better if they didnt make to make waves in international affairs considering all the publicity they have been getting. I dont believe that Iran are evil, you said that the president is similar to Hitler, I m not going to comment on that but I can see how you can think that. Its interesting (scary, funny, whatever word suits you best) to see what Iran will do in the next couple of years. Also what will happen with Iraq if Iraq went smoother America would have already invaded Iran.

Anyway I think this will situation will be soughted out very soon and will be forgotten about quickly.

I just wanted to go on record as saying I hope you get your soldiers back... Even though we disagree on this subject pretty badly, I hope it all turns out. I just hope it happens quickly as this comes at a horrible time with sanctions and all.

[OKlondon]

I just wanted to go on record as saying I hope you get your soldiers back... Even though we disagree on this subject pretty badly, I hope it all turns out. I just hope it happens quickly as this comes at a horrible time with sanctions and all.

I have replied to your other post in my previous post.

BTW thanks.

[MSU_4life]

*delete* - Fedos

Please take your hatred of a race somewhere else please...

Everyone else... continue please.

[Axe&Hammer]

*delete* - Fedos
Ah the classic 'judge a people by the actions of a few' post;)

[roadkill]

Please take your hatred of a race somewhere else please...

Everyone else... continue please.

Ugh, the irony of someone with a hatred of Arabs and Persians coming out with this.

[MSU_4life]

Ugh, the irony of someone with a hatred of Arabs and Persians coming out with this.

Don't you EVER judge me. I hate no race. I despise governments and individuals who lead 'nations' in one direction or another.

I'd best just leave it at that, as you've misjudged my feelings on these matters so magnificently bad, and any further comments by me will encite a flame war.

Stick to your beliefs I'll stick to my humane beliefs.

Edit: a few of my best friends are Iranian americans, and feel the same way I do about their government. Grow up.

[Axe&Hammer]

I think people are making a big fuss over nothing,nobody got hurt or stupid,I say with a week or so it will blow over

[sonyfan6]

Okay, why is Roadkill trying to side track the thread.

I'll also comment that these exact same links were put up this summer by someone else. Basically there's websites out there full of anti-Israel propaganda and some people feel it's their duty to spread it. Noam Chosky is a hate filled bigot and a very vocal halocaust denier and spreader of nazi propaganda.

As far as the missiles picture, I believe someone translated the messages this past summer and informed everyone that the children were, in fact writing messages of peace on decommisioned weapons. This is a good thing along the line of 'swords into plowshares' that someone is using it to spread hate is shameful. I can't verify this myself though so whatever.

People are so desparate to try and convince people they should hate israel that they are more than willing to bend the truth, ignore facts or outright make up lies. My personal favorite was the picture that got spread around of a beaten Muslim boy with a particularly evil IDF man standing over him with a weapon. Newspapers picked it up and published it everywhere. Only problem was the boy was actually a Jewish american who was attacked and being rescued by that IDF soldier. People like Roadkill are still showing the picture off with the incorrect caption, in addition to numerous other falsehoods.

We have another thread that is discussing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict now. There's plenty of room for discussion and certainly many grey areas that can lead to intelligent conversation. However there's no reason for that to also be in this thread and there's no reason for hate propaganda period.


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Now to actually add to the thread. It's looking more and more likely that Iran intends to have a show trial, which is going to be a real problem.

[roadkill]

It's funny that any amount of anti-Arab/Persian/Muslim racism is permitted on this forum, yet anything showing Israelis behaving like animals, stoning old ladys and beating innocent people up is removed.

Pathetic.

[RMoore]

It's funny that any amount of anti-Arab/Persian/Muslim racism is permitted on this forum, yet anything showing Israelis behaving like animals, stoning old ladys and beating innocent people up is removed.

Pathetic.


Plenty of groups behave like animals..beating women who won't hide their face,or want a education or chopping off people's heads in the name of religon,using children as bombs and giving the delusion they are blessed for it are a few examples..Invading most of Europe and killing millions of people in the name of perfecting a race..another example..

[roadkill]

Plenty of groups behave like animals..beating women who won't hide their face,or want a education or chopping off people's heads in the name of religon,using children as bombs and giving the delusion they are blessed for it are a few examples..Invading most of Europe and killing millions of people in the name of perfecting a race..another example..

lol - someone has been watching 300. This is the problem with america, they learn their "real" history and current politics through halfwit hollywood screenwriters.

[RMoore]

lol - someone has been watching 300. This is the problem with america, they learn their "real" history and current politics through halfwit hollywood screenwriters.


Nope never seen it..and see I never insulted you/Europe

Hollywood screenwriters?? Hmm I think it was called WW2,Nazis,Europe overtaken,etc..check it out..and yes the Taliban treated their people bad..and yes using children as weapons is behaving like animals..blowing your self up to kill innocents so you can go to heaven..yeah great.Go read a book or newspaper,it's all there.

[bnolan56]

lol - someone has been watching 300. This is the problem with america, they learn their "real" history and current politics through halfwit hollywood screenwriters.

Someone has been watching the news, and preaches idiotic bigotry at America. Get your noses out of America's problems and deal with yours and stop *****ing about our decisions as a country.

PS- Through Hollywood, TV it is a great way to learn about this history of Greeks. I mean, America is founded on principals of the Ancient Greeks and Romans, why not make a movie that focuses on the ARTISTIC/MYTHOLOGICAL side of the battle, and not historical? You Europeans are such hypocrites when it comes to insulting America (sorry if this offends people, this obviously doesn't mean ALL Europeans). You criticize Bush when, hey, Tony Blair ain't much either.

[DINAMO788]

yea roadkill you better cool off your the one sprerading most of the flamebait propaganda here without any good reasoning or evidence.

and half of what you post is removed becuase it is inaccurate porpanga....such as the children writing notes on missles.....you gave an incorrect caption which was made to have israelis and their children look like monsters. thats worse than flaming, thats promoting incorrect hate and you better watch it next time or you can get yourself banned

[roadkill]

yea roadkill you better cool off your the one sprerading most of the flamebait propaganda here without any good reasoning or evidence.

and half of what you post is removed becuase it is inaccurate porpanga....such as the children writing notes on missles.....you gave an incorrect caption which was made to have israelis and their children look like monsters. thats worse than flaming, thats promoting incorrect hate and you better watch it next time or you can get yourself banned

Well...

1) You keep bringing up Israel in a topic about Iran, you shouldn't whine if someone expands on it.

2) You don't have the power to ban me, no matter how much you "report" behind the scenes.

Nope never seen it..and see I never insulted you/Europe

Hollywood screenwriters?? Hmm I think it was called WW2,Nazis,Europe overtaken,etc..check it out..and yes the Taliban treated their people bad..and yes using children as weapons is behaving like animals..blowing your self up to kill innocents so you can go to heaven..yeah great.Go read a book or newspaper,it's all there.

Way to change what you were talking about on the fly. You were talking crap about Persians, then you change it from Persians to Nazis to suit the discussion. I.e., your original post said "invade" Europe, and the Nazis could hardly have invaded Europe, seeing as how they were Europeans.

We all know what you were talking about.

[DINAMO788]

Well...

1) You keep bringing up Israel in a topic about Iran, you shouldn't whine if someone expands on it.

2) You don't have the power to ban me, no matter how much you "report" behind the scenes.





israel is a factor in the Iran conflict. a big factor. im "whining" as you say about your inaccuracies which are in sense, lies that promote unfair and bad feelings towards israel, which is false negatibe propaganda. so in a sense, stop spreading lies to make israel look bad, its not allowed here.


and thanks in your second point for not even defending yourself, but instead saying that i cant ban you no matter what you do. i can compile evidence of your false libel posts and send them to the mods which then in turn, can ban you.

[roadkill]

israel is a factor in the Iran conflict. a big factor. im "whining" as you say about your inaccuracies which are in sense, lies that promote unfair and bad feelings towards israel, which is false negatibe propaganda. so in a sense, stop spreading lies to make israel look bad, its not allowed here.

Your basic argument is that Iran is evil, whereas Israel is an innocent victim. I posted evidence to the contrary which cannot be refuted (evident due to the fact you were incapable of refuting it). Instead you reported the post in order to have it removed. Some of my material, for example, came from CNN. Are you claiming CNN is part of this anti-Israeli "porpanda" conspiracy?

Gee, they must be "flamebaiting" the public.


and thanks in your second point for not even defending yourself, but instead saying that i cant ban you no matter what you do. i can compile evidence of your false libel posts and send them to the mods which then in turn, can ban you.

Wrong. If you could 'compile evidence' to have me banned, you would already have done it.