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[Blu-Ray]

SECOND ROUND

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Gm 1: Spurs: 111-106
Gm 2: Tue., May 8 @ PHX, 10:30 ET, TNT
Gm 3: Sat., May 12 @ SAS, 8 ET, ABC
Gm 4: Mon., May 14 @ SAS, 9:30 ET TNT
Gm 5*: Wed., May 16 @ PHX, TBD, TNT
Gm 6*: Fri., May 18 @ SAS, TBD, ESPN
Gm 7*: Sun., May 20 @ PHX, TBD, TBD

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http://www.nba.com/media/mediacentralns/chi_35px.gif (http://www.nba.com/playoffs2007/series/series_e2s1.html) (1) PISTONS vs. (5) BULLS (http://www.nba.com/playoffs2007/series/series_e2s1.html)
Gm 1: Detroit: 95-69
Gm 2: Detroit: 108-87
Gm 3: Thu., May 10 @ CHI, 9 ET, ESPN
Gm 4: Sun., May 13 @ CHI, 3:30 ET, ABC
Gm 5*: Tue., May 15 @ DET, TBD, TNT
Gm 6*: Thu., May 17 @ CHI, TBD, ESPN
Gm 7*: Mon., May 21 @ DET, TBD, TNT


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Gm 1: Utah: Score Unknown
Gm 2: Wed., May 9 @ UTA/TBD, TNT
Gm 3: Fri., May 11 @ GSW, ESPN
Gm 4: Sun., May 13 @ GSW, 9 ET, TNT
Gm 5*: Tue., May 15 @ UTA/TBD, TNT
Gm 6*: Thu., May 17 @ GSW, TBD, ESPN
Gm 7*: Sun., May 20 @ UTA,TBD, TBD
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http://www.nba.com/media/mediacentralns/njn_35px.gif (2) CAVS vs. (6) NETS
Gm 1: Cavs: 81-77
Gm 2: Tue., May 8 @ CLE, 8 ET, TNT
Gm 3: Sat., May 12 @ NJN, 5 ET, ESPN
Gm 4: Mon., May 14 @ NJN, 7 ET, TNT
Gm 5*: Wed., May 16 @ CLE, TBD, TNT
Gm 6*: Fri., May 18 @ NJN, TBD, ESPN
Gm 7*: Sun., May 20











NBA Awards:

Coach of the year: Sam Mitchell
Sixth Man of the Year: Barbosa
Most Improved: Monta Ellis.
Defensive Player: Marcus Camby
NBA Rookie of the Year: Brandoy Roy

Points System Explained:

1 Point - For correct amount of games a specific team will win.
5 Points - For picking the Correct team to WIN their Series.
5 Points - For picking the Correct Length AND the Correct team winning that series.

I'll take examples from KingJordan and Poetic and UnReaL picks For the Mavs vs GS series.

For the Mavs vs. GS series:
KingJordan has Mavs in 5, which means (4-1) Mavs.

In the first game. GS won so he gets 1 point because he does have GS winning 1 game in the series.

Second game: Mavs Won. So he gets 1 point since he has Mavs winning the series with 4 victories.

Now Lets say: GS wins again in the 3rd game. KingJordan would not get any points for the 3rd game or any other game that Golden State wins. The MAX victories he chose for Golden State was 1. So once again, from here on out, if Golden State keeps winning he does not get a point.

KingJordan will only get points now if the Mavs win.

5 Points: If the Mavs win the series.
0 Points: If Golden State win the series.
5 Extra Points: If the Mavs win and win in 5 games.
0 Extra Points: If the Mavs win and Mavs win in 6 or 7.
0 Extra Points: If Golden State Wins.

Poetic has Mavs in 4, meaning (4-0) Mavs.

First Game: GS wins. So he gets 0 points. He does not have GS winning any game in the series, so every time GS wins a game, he gets no points.

Second Game: Mavs win. So he gets 1 point. Now he must have the Mavs win in order for him to get any points.

So overall. Poetic only gets points for Mav victories.

5 Points: If the Mavs win the series.
0 Points: If Golden State win the series.
5 Extra Points: If the Mavs win and win in 4 games. (Can't happen Now, since Golden State has won one game)
0 Extra Points: If the Mavs win and Mavs win in 4 only. (Can't Happen)
0 Extra Points: If Golden State Wins.


UnReaL has Mavs in 7, meaning (4-3) Mavs.

First Game: GS wins. So I get 1 point, because I have GS winning 3 games, but not the series.

Second Game: Mavs win. So I get 1 point. I have Mavs winning the series with 4 victores.

Overall: The most points I can get for Mavs wins is 4. If they win 3 than I would get only 3. 2 wins, and I get 2. 1 win and I get 1.

The Most points I can get for GS wins is 3. If they win 4 than I only end up with 3.

5 Points: If the Mavs win the series.
0 Points: If Golden State win the series.
5 Extra Points: If the Mavs win and win in 7 games.
0 Extra Points: If the Mavs win and Mavs win in 4, 5, or 6 games.
0 Extra Points: If Golden State Wins.

This goes for every game and every round of the Playoffs.

I Can break each of your points and how you got them through PM if your still have questions regarding it. If you do understand it, GREAT! If not, than I'll explain it until you get it.:D
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[KioKurama]

and the pistons just blew out the suns a few days ago

[Blu-Ray]

Yep Yep. They did if ABSOULUTE DEFENSE. Something the league doesn't want to promote. Sad..

[KioKurama]

pistons winning the championship... did you see that dunk by chris webber? ouch.
and we're gonna smash the mav's.

[Fedos]

I missed the Suns game though, had to work. Chauncey got injured correct? Man, that's not good. We can probably still win, but it goes against us. Anyway, we beat Dallas earlier in the season, in Dallas no less.

[KioKurama]

I missed the Suns game though, had to work. Chauncey got injured correct? Man, that's not good. We can probably still win, but it goes against us. Anyway, we beat Dallas earlier in the season, in Dallas no less.
yeah chauncey got injured, but we still won by 20+

[Blu-Ray]

LOL, look at this Detroit Connection! :)

[KingJordan]

I think the Pistons will win this by 5, 90-95.
:lol:

and we're gonna smash the mav's.

:lol:

Oh man, Dirk torched the Piston's *** in the 2nd half.

[soldier one]

Dallas is a much better team overall than detroit by a long shot. The only team taht can put up a fight against the mavs is the suns. Thats all i got to say.

[Fedos]

I didn't see the game, had to work. But as I said, we didn't have Billups, and we already beat the Mavs on their homecourt earlier in the season, by like 10 or 12 points no less, one of the few teams to do so this year, on their homecourt.

[Hippo]

Are people already throwing the Heat under the bus? If Wade comes back and can play 90-95% and Shaq continues this quality play there still isn't anyone in the NBA that can beat them.

[Fedos]

The Heat are actually the only team I'm worried about in the East. I don't fret the Bulls, the Wizards, or anybody else for that matter. Only the Heat. But, I think if the Heat makes it to the Finals again, and say, has to play San Antonio, they won't be repeating.

[KingJordan]

Dallas is a much better team overall than detroit by a long shot. The only team taht can put up a fight against the mavs is the suns. Thats all i got to say.

Are we so quick to forget about the Spurs?

The only team in the east who would win the title would be Detroit. And only then, they'd have to be playing Phoenix.

[Firefox]

Anyone thinking of a Suns vs. Detroit NBA Final this year? ;)

[airupthere23]

Not if the Cavs have anything to say about it :-)

[KingJordan]

Anyone thinking of a Suns vs. Detroit NBA Final this year? ;)

If you're thinking of Detroit winning the title, yeah, I guess.


airupthere, watch the Mavs/Cavs game last night?

[airupthere23]

If you're thinking of Detroit winning the title, yeah, I guess.


airupthere, watch the Mavs/Cavs game last night?

Yeah, of course I did :-P. So close yet so far. Lebron started to get real clutch though.

[Blu-Ray]

Whoa, that Pistons - Heat game today mite be better than the Phoenix - Dallas game. This is great basketball..

[Firefox]

Whoa, that Pistons - Heat game today mite be better than the Phoenix - Dallas game. This is great basketball..

Well Toronto just Iced the Heat, so expect no surprises. :sleep:

[Blu-Ray]

Looks like Phoenix is going to blow-out Dallas. Nash = MV3

[ThaFlash_LA]

The playoffs are a whole different story than the regular season.
Teams like San Antonio, Los Angeles, Miami and Detroit are playoff teams. LA is a pretty bad team by west coast standards right now, but they are a force in the playoffs. The same with Miami. Some teams are playoff teams, regardless of how they get in, once in they are a completely different squad.

Even though the west runs the regular season, Detroit plays amazing team ball and if they can shutdown the Lakers back in that series, they can shut down anyone. It's all a matter of whether or not they will be able to play lights out. I don't think they can do it, especially with Chris "choke" Webber. But they have a good shot of winning it all.

[KingJordan]

Los Angeles is a playoff team but the Suns and Mavs aren't? Ha, great idea you have there.

[L0ST]

For the east its definately Detroit on top im thinkin, im still goin for the magic tho if they make it :p, Sry miami fans but its this simple- No Wade=No championship. Im not gonna sleep on Lebron and Arenas they definately have a chance to blow up during the playoffs and boost their team so we will see.

As for the West, Dallas is really playing like champs, so are the Suns but it seems like Dallas is hungrier for the title this time around since they lost last time. But you also gotta look at the Suns and realize they got their full arsenal back with Amare and they are ready to get over the hump and get a title. Also DO NOT sleep on the spurs, they are playing very well towards the end of the season close the the playoffs, they got experience and they seem to be gettin ready for a post season run. Im not really THAT worried about Utah, even thought ppl seem to over look this team, they are still a good ball club. Houston has really surprised me this season, they are playing very well, even without yao for that period of time they played awesome. Yao is back now w/ mcgrady and you cant sleep on this amazing duo. Sry Lakers, Kobe can score 60 points all he wants but its a ONE MAN team, Kobe might be able to lift them past some games but its not always going to work out so well.

Playoffs are VERY soon and I cant wait :D

[KingJordan]

Piston fans shouldn't poop their pants yet, but Wade started practicing with the team again. Mavs/Heat finals again.

[Maddog911]

Deeeeetroit Basketball!!!!!!



~Should've made the 5 word minimum by continuing to say .....isn't very good-KingJordan~

[L0ST]

Well wizards are pretty much done with the post season, they lost Arenas to a knee injury. Washington is basically screwed, no chance to go anywhere without arenas...

[KioKurama]

Pistons gonna take it all this year.

[dc writer]

I'm hoping Miami don't overtake Raps for the 3rd seed. Raps want to face Wiz in 1st round 8)

Alright guys, I'm hyped up for the playoffs! I'm pullin for the Raps baby! I would put them as the dark horse in the east.

injuries to key players and they keep winning! 3rd best team in east this year.

[airupthere23]

Cavs and Heat are in overtime right now... Making me a little nervous. If we (Cavs) lose this game we drop from 2nd to 5th in the East.

[netbevit]

Los Angeles is a playoff team but the Suns and Mavs aren't? Ha, great idea you have there.


Just because your team makes the playoffs consistently, does not make them a playoff team. The Dallas Mavericks are far from a "playoff" team. They're a regular season team at this point. They dominate the regular season and then always manage to either barely skid by in the playoffs until finally choking everything away or they don't skid at all and just flat out choke.

Dirk Nowitzki never shows up in the playoffs when it matters most. He's always MIA. He needs to develop into a leader and show the ability to lead his team to something more than just constant disappointment.

Playoff teams win championships. They play as a unit and they play stronger in order to achieve their goals. That's what makes teams like the Spurs, Pistons, Heat, etc... "playoff teams"... Championships speak volumes. The Mavericks are on mute.

[Blu-Ray]

Just because your team makes the playoffs consistently, does not make them a playoff team. The Dallas Mavericks are far from a "playoff" team. They're a regular season team at this point. They dominate the regular season and then always manage to either barely skid by in the playoffs until finally choking everything away or they don't skid at all and just flat out choke.

Dirk Nowitzki never shows up in the playoffs when it matters most. He's always MIA. He needs to develop into a leader and show the ability to lead his team to something more than just constant disappointment.

Playoff teams win championships. They play as a unit and they play stronger in order to achieve their goals. That's what makes teams like the Spurs, Pistons, Heat, etc... "playoff teams"... Championships speak volumes. The Mavericks are on mute.


Wow man! You abosolutely pwned with that post... I'll rep you for that one. I will alos rep you because you are one of the only people on the forums who spoke positively about my hometown Detroit Pistons.

[L0ST]

Just because your team makes the playoffs consistently, does not make them a playoff team. The Dallas Mavericks are far from a "playoff" team. They're a regular season team at this point. They dominate the regular season and then always manage to either barely skid by in the playoffs until finally choking everything away or they don't skid at all and just flat out choke.

Dirk Nowitzki never shows up in the playoffs when it matters most. He's always MIA. He needs to develop into a leader and show the ability to lead his team to something more than just constant disappointment.

Playoff teams win championships. They play as a unit and they play stronger in order to achieve their goals. That's what makes teams like the Spurs, Pistons, Heat, etc... "playoff teams"... Championships speak volumes. The Mavericks are on mute.

Um if you can lead your team to the NBA finals ill consider that team a playoff team. Since the mavs beat the almighty spurs to goto the finals, i consider them a playoff team.

[Fedos]

Well, I don't think you can say that the Mavs aren't a playoff team based on the fact that they've never won a title. As Lost mentioned, they eliminated the Spurs last season, a core group of which Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli have won two titles in the last four years, and they also--as stated--made it to the Finals.

Another thing you'd have to consider is that the Mavs experienced heartbreak last year. Experiencing heartbreak the way that they did a lot of times is necessary to finally win a title, at least I'd say so. I'll use my Pistons as an example. During the playoffs of the 02/03 season, the Pistons made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, and got swept handily by the Nets. The next season, they won the championship. Going through those kinds of experiences a lot of times will do the job in terms of propelling a team with talent and chemistry to a championship.

[netbevit]

Um if you can lead your team to the NBA finals ill consider that team a playoff team. Since the mavs beat the almighty spurs to goto the finals, i consider them a playoff team.


Jason Kidd led the New Jersey Nets to 2 NBA Finals in a row. They are hardly a "playoff" team. They can hardly be a .500 team with BETTER talent now than what they had then...

Dirk Nowitzki lead his Mavericks to a finals after beating a team that was missing the most dominant player they have on the court in Amare Stoudemire. As Phoenix has proven in the past in 7 game series' against Dallas, the Mavericks are incapable of beating a healthy Suns team in a 7 game set. They never have and they never will be able to because Dirk Nowitzki chooses not to take games into his own hands when it is needed...

At full strength, the Mavericks don't beat the Suns last year in the playoffs. Instead they choke then and there instead of in the finals against the Heat after going up 2-0. Leaders elevate the players around them to play at a whole different level. Dirk Nowitzki does not provide this for the Mavericks and they suffer because of it. Duncan provided this for the Spurs, Wade does it for the Heat, Chauncey does it for the Pistons, Kobe/Shaq didn't have to do this at all but then again, Dirk doesn't have a Shaq to make himself not have to elevate the guys around him... Jordan did it before then, Olajuwan with the Rockets... Magic with the Lakers... Byrd with the Celtics, and so on and so forth... Leadership and defense gains Championships... You don't win one without the other and it rarely occurs as it did with Shaq/Kobe which was just too much to compete with...

Playoff Teams are built around "leadership" and the way a team can unite and strengthen themselves behind that concept.

Case in point. Playoff teams win championships, not consolation prizes.

Well, I don't think you can say that the Mavs aren't a playoff team based on the fact that they've never won a title. As Lost mentioned, they eliminated the Spurs last season, a core group of which Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli have won two titles in the last four years, and they also--as stated--made it to the Finals.

Another thing you'd have to consider is that the Mavs experienced heartbreak last year. Experiencing heartbreak the way that they did a lot of times is necessary to finally win a title, at least I'd say so. I'll use my Pistons as an example. During the playoffs of the 02/03 season, the Pistons made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, and got swept handily by the Nets. The next season, they won the championship. Going through those kinds of experiences a lot of times will do the job in terms of propelling a team with talent and chemistry to a championship.

OUTSIDE of the fact that RASHEED WALLACE wasn't part of the Pistons for that playoff series against the Nets, I'd say he was a big step up over "Corliss Williams" and Sheed was definitely one of the reasons why they made it over the hump the following year... Dallas hasn't added a player of this caliber to make their team any different than it was the previous year...

Detroit won the championship the next year for ONE reason. Tayshaun Prince. His defensive ability and wingspan allowed him to shut down and dominate Kobe Bryant through-out that entire series. Not to mention the fact he was shutting down any other player who he was defending. Tayshaun Prince's intangibles are rare in NBA Players in this generation. Without him, Detroit not only never wins that championship, but they don't return the following year either.

Tayshaun Prince was still learning the ropes of the NBA in 02-03.

[dc writer]

Wow, mavs this, pistons that :lol:

I actually believe there will be a couple upsets in the playoffs this year...

Ok, I'm hoping :s******

[hootyhoo88]

miami and suns even tho i want the cavs in there :)

[KingJordan]

They never have and they never will be able to because Dirk Nowitzki chooses not to take games into his own hands when it is needed... So the ball somehow slipped in the basket in Game 7 of the Spurs series in San Antonio. He also accidentally scored 50 on the Suns too (Didn't matter if Amare was playing or not, he wouldn't have stopped it)

And the injury excuse BS. I love it. I can play too. If Dirk doesn't get hurt in the '03 WCF against the Spurs, they go on to win the title. See how easy it is to play that game? Now stfu with the injury bs.

[netbevit]

So the ball somehow slipped in the basket in Game 7 of the Spurs series in San Antonio. He also accidentally scored 50 on the Suns too (Didn't matter if Amare was playing or not, he wouldn't have stopped it)

And the injury excuse BS. I love it. I can play too. If Dirk doesn't get hurt in the '03 WCF against the Spurs, they go on to win the title. See how easy it is to play that game? Now stfu with the injury bs.

Good job to avoid Dirk's faults completely. Had Amare been playing in the series, his defensive skills would not have allowed for Dirk to have reached 50. The fact you believe that his presence defensively against Dirk either A) In the paint or B) 1-on-1 would have no effect on if Dirk scoring 50 points or not is just hilarious. When was the last time Dirk scored 50 points at all? He certainly didn't do it at all this year.

Also, Dirks game-tying point was a Free-Throw in game 7. That's hardly a "clutch shot" to win the game. Dirk is consistently above 88% in free throws. It's a shot that he takes unguarded and whenever he feels comfortable in letting it go.

Secondly, I laugh towards your fanboyism of the Dallas Mavericks. If you can actually recall the 2003 WCF in which Dirk got hurt, the Mavericks were already losing the series 2-1 against San Antonio WITH Dirk playing. Whatever reasoning you have for thinking that had Dirk played in the next 3 games, they would have won... I'd love to hear. Because last I checked, they couldn't beat the Spurs for years up until this last one, with Dirk healthy or not.

Dirk Nowitzki's INABILITY to play WELL, EFFECTIVELY, and BE A LEADER in the playoffs is something they have been criticizing him about in Dallas for the last SEVEN YEARS on the radio.

PS: For the whole "injury" excuse, we can also throw in the fact Raja Bell didn't play in the first half of the entire Phoenix/Dallas series last year either. Having 2 of your big players hurt, is going to lose a series. Dallas was able to cake-walk through it and it is the ONLY reason they made it to the finals.

When you reply, please come with something logical, factually based, thought out and typed with intelligence outside of the biasness you came with there. It's annoying having to diplomatically debate with someone wearing blue-tinted glasses.

[KingJordan]

I'll keep the blue tinted glasses on.

I'm certain the Mavs would've beat the Spurs just as you're so certain the Suns would've beaten the Mavs with Amare. Ha, they let an average team at best take them 7 games in the first round. Boy what a playoff team. And Tim Thomas is about a 3 times better defender than Amare is. You might be the only person on these internets who thinks Amare could stop Dirk.



But all this doesn't matter though. They won't be playing the playoffs. Come the Suns/Spurs series, Spurs will handle pretty easy.

[netbevit]

I'll keep the blue tinted glasses on.

I'm certain the Mavs would've beat the Spurs just as you're so certain the Suns would've beaten the Mavs with Amare. Ha, they let an average team at best take them 7 games in the first round. Boy what a playoff team. And Tim Thomas is about a 3 times better defender than Amare is. You might be the only person on these internets who thinks Amare could stop Dirk.



But all this doesn't matter though. They won't be playing the playoffs. Come the Suns/Spurs series, Spurs will handle pretty easy.

1. Mavs have never beat a healthy Suns team in a 7 game set. Explains my reasoning.

2. Mavs were losing the series BEFORE Dirk got hurt. Once again, explains my reasoning and discredits yours.

3. No where did I identify Amare Stoudemire as a better defender than Tim Thomas. However, he is a better defender than the slouch who had to play in his spot.

4. No where did I identify the Suns as a playoff team, thanks.

5. Amare is what, 24 years old? He's as dominant as he is at 24 years old and he's only going to get better and better. He doesn't have to "stop" Dirk, but it's evident Dirk scores 50 points rarely once in a season, IF THAT. Dirk vs Amare in the paint, I'll take Amare's big body, ANYDAY. Size wins in the paint. 12 rebounds is hard to come by with a big body like Amare's blocking you out, sorry.

6. I have no doubt that you're another front-runner. Fan of the Colts/Mavs/etc... You have no ties to the teams you cheer for other than them being winning franchises within the last 5-6 years. Thus, this discussion with you is simply pointless. Come 5-6 years down the road, when the Mavericks hit bottom again, you'll be on somebody else... Front-runners do not change, sorry.

[KingJordan]

right. I'veen rooting for the Mavs and Colts since yesterday.


Suns coouldn't beat them in a series this year. All I saying. Well, nobody can beat them this year.


He doesn't have to "stop" Dirk, but it's evident Dirk scores 50 points rarely once in a season, IF THAT

But aren't you the one who said he doesn't step up when it matters, yet he has one of his rare 50 point games in the WCF's? Weird how he didn't step up there.

[netbevit]

right. I'veen rooting for the Mavs and Colts since yesterday.


Suns coouldn't beat them in a series this year. All I saying. Well, nobody can beat them this year.




But aren't you the one who said he doesn't step up when it matters, yet he has one of his rare 50 point games in the WCF's? Weird how he didn't step up there.


1. Exactly, since yesterday.
2. Mavs couldn't beat them in a series this year, either. Ridiculous point.
3. Game 1 of the WCF is not "when it matters".... The season isn't on the line in game 1. Good try though.

[KingJordan]

Wasn't game 1. Game 5. And yeah, it mattered. Good try though.

[netbevit]

Wasn't game 1. Game 5. And yeah, it mattered. Good try though.

Sorry, that's right. The way Yahoo has their page set-up, the months divide the stats, so it looks like it reads game one instead of 5, my bad. I'll give him credit for showing up in a 2-2 series.

However, this is more of what I'm talking about in terms of leadership and elevating the guys around him...

http://www.youtube.com/v/ysAH1c8nMrA

Also, on top of that dismal video. Shooting 37% in the BIGGEST SERIES of your life is nothing short of disappointing and choking away something a city has put on your shoulders...

[KingJordan]

I woulda been ****ed and kicked some stuff too after choking a 2 game lead away. So would other people.

But Dirk's work ethic is incredibly high and he's learned from all of his mistakes. Don't be surprised when they win this year.

[UnReaL]

Lakers Fan here. Just hope they even make the play-offs now. Could go from 6 to out of play-offs in the last 7 games. Starting off at a such high note, and all of a sudden, going blank when it counts.

BTW, KingJordan. The Mavs DID give away the Championship to Miami. D-Wade got the Jordan treatment, and your coach Avery Johnson should have used hack a Shaq in game 4 or 5 I think, to give you the commanding series lead.

Dirk Nowitzki is ReDirk-ulus. Give the guy the MVP, that if Kobe doesn't get it.:D

Edit: My picks. I would want the Lakers, but thinking real: San Antonio Vs. Miami.

[netbevit]

I woulda been ****ed and kicked some stuff too after choking a 2 game lead away. So would other people.

But Dirk's work ethic is incredibly high and he's learned from all of his mistakes. Don't be surprised when they win this year.


I wasn't talking about his emotion. I was talking about his 8/19 performance in a series changing game including the miss of a gimme-FT with 1:25 left in the game...

You don't learn from shooting 37% through-out the biggest 6 games of your life.

Nobody judged his work ethic at all. His leadership is criticized on a yearly basis, you would know that if you actually lived in Dallas, though. I doubt the Mavericks are televised daily where you live.

Also, you proved my point... Choking it away... Leaders lead, not choke.

In that 3 game choke job where they lost their 2 game lead... Dirk shot 33% FG-wise, 16% beyond the arc, and 82% from the FT line(significantly worse than his season average). Case in point, when his teammates need him to step up and take charge the most; he isn't there. 2-3 playoff games where he showed up in an 8 year career, isn't exactly leadership induced.

Lakers Fan here. Just hope they even make the play-offs now. Could go from 6 to out of play-offs in the last 7 games. Starting off at a such high note, and all of a sudden, going blank when it counts.

BTW, KingJordan. The Mavs DID give away the Championship to Miami. D-Wade got the Jordan treatment, and your coach Avery Johnson should have used hack a Shaq in game 4 or 5 I think, to give you the commanding series lead.

Dirk Nowitzki is ReDirk-ulus. Give the guy the MVP, that if Kobe doesn't get it.:D

Edit: My picks. I would want the Lakers, but thinking real: San Antonio Vs. Miami.

Steve Nash is most deserving of the MVP once again. His FG%, FT%, 3PT%, and APG are ridiculously good... Not to mention he averages basically 20 PPG on a team full of high scorers.

PS: This is starting to look like I'm a Suns fan. Just want to clarify I'm not and that I don't have a favorite NBA team, I only have a favorite college team.

[UnReaL]

Steve Nash is most deserving of the MVP once again. His FG%, FT%, 3PT%, and APG are ridiculously good... Not to mention he averages basically 20 PPG on a team full of high scorers.

Nah, thinks its Dirks year. The guy has been been ReDirk-ulus all year long. Double-Doubles, and Avery has him playing some D. Nash, is great and its great to watch the Suns play, but anyone on that team could get double ppg. Go up the court and get a shot off as quickly as possible. Slow the pace down, and you won't see that happen. If Nash does win it...then congrats. But whats and MVP without the Ring? He has 2 MVP and no rings. Can he make it 3 for 3?

[soldier one]

Suns are going all the way, if they keep second they wont have a real challenge until the semi final agianst the mavs, at which they beat twice when it became important wins.

As for MVP, Nahs deserves it, wants it, and will get it. If not screw the NBA because he already has it, even if he doesnt have a trophy to show off, fans, players, and him will all remember this year that he dominated. The trophy should be his but life is life and its up to the NBA to decide.

There really are no east coast teams that can really take on the suns or the mavs so i think its oe of theese two teams that will go all the way.

GO SUNS!

[Fedos]

^How are the Suns going to win it all this year when the Spurs (second round matchup) can contain them offensively?

[soldier one]

Its the end of the season the suns are in the playoffs, and no team really cares anymore. Either you in or your out.

To tell the truth i think the suns are just laying off the last few games of the season and getting ready for the playoffs. If its comes down to them loosing 2nd place then they will play and win the game.

Spurs played held them well yesterday but to tell the truth both teams were playing like completel crap. So mayn flaws and such, and the players were dropping balls, and letting passes fall through their hands, and you never saw that before. Like i said no one cares until playoffs start.

Suns are going all the way, they let the weaknesses get to them last year and the year before but this year the players have it in there hearts, we have amare and marion is playing like the next micheal jordan, along with nash and crew, this team can play. I see them playing some really good defense, combine that with their potential to hit every 3 pointer and they can kill teams.

[SE fanboy]

Lakers Fan here. Just hope they even make the play-offs now. Could go from 6 to out of play-offs in the last 7 games. Starting off at a such high note, and all of a sudden, going blank when it counts.

BTW, KingJordan. The Mavs DID give away the Championship to Miami. D-Wade got the Jordan treatment, and your coach Avery Johnson should have used hack a Shaq in game 4 or 5 I think, to give you the commanding series lead.

Dirk Nowitzki is ReDirk-ulus. Give the guy the MVP, that if Kobe doesn't get it.:D

Edit: My picks. I would want the Lakers, but thinking real: San Antonio Vs. Miami.

YAy finally a laker fan here. Damn they have been going down and down this year. They were doing so good early in the season. I thought they might win the playoff this year. Hopefully they start playing like they did early on before the playoffs.

[soldier one]

Get rid of kobe and then they would have a team lol, they depend on him way too much. I watched them the other day and everytime one of the players got the ball they looked at kobe to see if he was open, first instinct, and even when he wasnt open they passed it to him.

He is a great player but he for sure is not a team player.

[netbevit]

Nah, thinks its Dirks year. The guy has been been ReDirk-ulus all year long. Double-Doubles, and Avery has him playing some D. Nash, is great and its great to watch the Suns play, but anyone on that team could get double ppg. Go up the court and get a shot off as quickly as possible. Slow the pace down, and you won't see that happen. If Nash does win it...then congrats. But whats and MVP without the Ring? He has 2 MVP and no rings. Can he make it 3 for 3?

Nash AVERAGES a Double-Double stats wise. Dirk doesn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Dirk. I think he gets absolutely NO LOVE at all from anybody in the NBA news world. It's terrible. Dirk deserves strong consideration, I agree completely. However, Nash has put up an even better season this year than he has the past 2 and that means the world. I don't think they'll give it to Nash in the end because he's won it the past two years. If Nash doesn't get it though, I truly hope Dirk does. He's definitely the most important part of his team.

Also, anybody who thinks the East isn't going to compete with the West is delusional. Both Miami(with Wade) and Detroit can compete with any of the top West teams in a 7 game set, no problem. I think it's hilarious some of you feel they can't.

[soldier one]

Shut down wade and it becomes no problem. I was watching ESPN or somethign and they were comparing the top teams of the east to the west and found flaws etc.. and the west teams are doing so much better.

They will compete, the west dont have it in the bag for sure, but i think west will over come in the end.

Also if nash doesnt get MVP all i can say is Dirk better get it or thats just plain screwed up. Both players deserve it alot, if they were on the same team they might both would of gotten it. Only time will tell i guess.

[netbevit]

Shut down wade and it becomes no problem. I was watching ESPN or somethign and they were comparing the top teams of the east to the west and found flaws etc.. and the west teams are doing so much better.

They will compete, the west dont have it in the bag for sure, but i think west will over come in the end.

Also if nash doesnt get MVP all i can say is Dirk better get it or thats just plain screwed up. Both players deserve it alot, if they were on the same team they might both would of gotten it. Only time will tell i guess.

Shut down Wade and it becomes no problem? What about Shaq/Mourning switching on and off on the inside? That isn't exactly an "easy" task. It's hard to shut down Wade 1 on 1 with Shaq on the inside creating attention as well.

Pistons have scorers at every position on the court and each guy is a phenomenal defensive player. Any one of their 5 starters or even Lindsey Hunter can go off any night.

Pistons/Heat have proven without a shadow of a doubt over the last 4 years that the East can EASILY compete with the West. It doesn't matter what ESPN or anybody says about "flaws", etc... ESPN analysis is full of flaws.

[dc writer]

This playoffs is gonna be great! It's heating up in here too!
HAHAHA!! I love it!

[netbevit]

This playoffs is gonna be great! It's heating up in here too!
HAHAHA!! I love it!

I probably won't watch most of it. I just enjoy the conversation.

[soldier one]

Nah is still think you shut down a key asset and that ruins the whole game. Teams like the mavs and suns realy on team game, not just one or two players. I mean they rely on nash and dirk to bring them up but if you shut them down they will just move on and play with the other players.

The suns for example, nash was out and the bench came in, they spread the ball came up with a new plan and won. Its not as bad as kobe on the lakers, as the east coast will put up a fight no matter what.

[netbevit]

Nah is still think you shut down a key asset and that ruins the whole game. Teams like the mavs and suns realy on team game, not just one or two players. I mean they rely on nash and dirk to bring them up but if you shut them down they will just move on and play with the other players.

The suns for example, nash was out and the bench came in, they spread the ball came up with a new plan and won. Its not as bad as kobe on the lakers, as the east coast will put up a fight no matter what.


Every team that makes it to the finals are usually team oriented. That's how they get there. One horse shows rarely if EVER make it. That's why Kobe will never win a title without a Shaq with him.

[L0ST]

yea thats why i feel bad for kobe man, he can score 40, 65, 81 points but in the end of the season his team aint nothing and barely make the playoffs or make a 2nd round exit, kobe needs the other star along side to get that team anywhere.

[netbevit]

yea thats why i feel bad for kobe man, he can score 40, 65, 81 points but in the end of the season his team aint nothing and barely make the playoffs or make a 2nd round exit, kobe needs the other star along side to get that team anywhere.


How can you feel bad for a selfish player who runs the other star athletes out of town? The only reason Shaq put up high PPG is because he was getting all the rebounds from Kobe's 150 shots per game and putting them back up, rofl...

[KingJordan]

Suns are going all the way, if they keep second they wont have a real challenge until the semi final agianst the mavs, at which they beat twice when it became important wins.


GO SUNS!

You play the SPURS in the 2nd round.

Important win? There's no important wins in the regular season...


Shut down wade and it becomes no problem. Wha? You sippin' sumpin good.



I doubt the Mavericks are televised daily where you live.
NBA League pass is a wonderful thing.

[netbevit]

You play the SPURS in the 2nd round.

Important win? There's no important wins in the regular season...


Wha? You sippin' sumpin good.




NBA League pass is a wonderful thing.

If there were no important wins during the regular season, teams wouldn't have reason to try. Also, NBA League Pass is not the same as local coverage. That entire sentence of mine went with the entire paragraph it was a part of.

[dc writer]

Y'all should give props to the Toronto Raptors for winning there division for the first time in their history. :D

Thanks Bulls!

Go raps!

[SE fanboy]

Get rid of kobe and then they would have a team lol, they depend on him way too much. I watched them the other day and everytime one of the players got the ball they looked at kobe to see if he was open, first instinct, and even when he wasnt open they passed it to him.

He is a great player but he for sure is not a team player.
HAHAhAHHAHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAH AHH

You make me laugh so much. If it wasn't for Kobe they wouldn't even be this close to the playoffs. Lakers have had so many injuries this year and Kobe is the only player the lakers could depend on. If Lamar, Luke, Kwame are out of the roster lakers are filled with Rookies and Kobe. If you take Kobe out of the roster you have Memphis. Kobe needs the other pros on the team to get better soon. Lamar is playing with a torn labrum. Luke is still slowed down by his injury and Kwame got hurt again on his ankle. There are still a couple of weeks left till the playoffs. Lakers need the whole lineup before they can start playing like they were in the beginning of the year.

The only thing stopping Kobe from being a team player is the injuries the lakers have had in the starting lineup. Kobe only started his scoring spree after the lakers lost 6 and 7 in a row and that should only last until the lakers are healthy. When everyone is playing well he has like 10 assists a game.

[netbevit]

HAHAhAHHAHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAH AHH

You make me laugh so much. If it wasn't for Kobe they wouldn't even be this close to the playoffs. Lakers have had so many injuries this year and Kobe is the only player the lakers could depend on. If Lamar, Luke, Kwame are out of the roster lakers are filled with Rookies and Kobe. If you take Kobe out of the roster you have Memphis. Kobe needs the other pros on the team to get better soon. Lamar is playing with a torn labrum. Luke is still slowed down by his injury and Kwame got hurt again on his ankle. There are still a couple of weeks left till the playoffs. Lakers need the whole lineup before they can start playing like they were in the beginning of the year.

The only thing stopping Kobe from being a team player is the injuries the lakers have had in the starting lineup. Kobe only started his scoring spree after the lakers lost 6 and 7 in a row and that should only last until the lakers are healthy. When everyone is playing well he has like 10 assists a game.

Kobe is as big of a reason the franchise is in the sad state they are in right now and he is the reason they're near the playoffs.

I don't know which I'd prefer to lose if I were a Laker fan.

[Blu-Ray]

Kobe could beat any player 1on1 in the NBA, but as a team player he sucks!

[netbevit]

Kobe could beat any player 1on1 in the NBA, but as a team player he sucks!


I'd take Wade over Kobe in 1 vs 1 showdown. Wade is quicker, better reflexes, just as pretty of a shot and solid at creating his own shot, just like Kobe... Speed difference would be the difference, IMO...

Of course, none of this could be right or wrong, it's all just opinion. No way to prove it.

[SE fanboy]

Kobe is as big of a reason the franchise is in the sad state they are in right now and he is the reason they're near the playoffs.

I don't know which I'd prefer to lose if I were a Laker fan.

They are only in a sad state because of all of the injuries to the starting lineup this season. Lakers only started to go down after the injuries. They were playing well when everyone was well.

[Blu-Ray]

They are only in a sad state because of all of the injuries to the starting lineup this season. Lakers only started to go down after the injuries. They were playing well when everyone was well.

I agree, but they couldn't beat San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix, Houston, Detroit, Miami, Chicago, Cleveland, and Utah in a Seven game series. :)

[KingJordan]

I agree, but they couldn't beat San Antonio, Dallas, Phoenix, Houston, Detroit, Miami, Chicago, Cleveland, and Utah in a Seven game series. :)

They could very well beat Chicago and Cleveland in a series.

[Blu-Ray]

No they can't! Comon...... I don't even feel like arguing lol.

[SE fanboy]

They can but they first have to start playing like they did in the beginning of the season. They play phoenix tomorrow. Lets see what happens.

[netbevit]

They are only in a sad state because of all of the injuries to the starting lineup this season. Lakers only started to go down after the injuries. They were playing well when everyone was well.


You have got to be kidding me. The Lakers have been in a sad state of affairs since the end of the 2004 season when the Pistons smacked their *** in the Championship.

Kobe runs every star player out of the city with his me-first playing style and his huge ego. Shaq is and will be the ONLY reason Kobe ever wins a title. Kobe Bryant is the Terrell Owens of the NBA. He has no leadership abilities AT ALL, he puts himself BEFORE the team inside his own playing style and he is the reason the team plays poorly the majority of the time.

He tries to prove points by not taking shots during games and acting like without him shooting, they'll lose. As he displayed this behavior last year and the year before with the media. He tries to prove points by taking the majority of the shots in wins.

Kobe Bryant has no idea what "team" even is. He's never averaged 10 Assists a game in any 15 game stretch in his career. He doesn't make the guys around him better, he cripples them.

Here are solid stats.

This season: 6 games with 10+ assists.
Last season: 3 games with 10+ assists.
2005 season: 12 games with 10+ assists.
2004 season: 1 game with 10+ assists.
2003 season: 11 games with 10+ assists.
2002 season: 7 games with 10+ assists.
2001 season: 3 games with 10+ assists.
2000 season: 4 games with 10+ assists.

Case in point. He has no idea there are 4 other guys in Lakers jerseys on the floor with him.

[SE fanboy]

You have got to be kidding me. The Lakers have been in a sad state of affairs since the end of the 2004 season when the Pistons smacked their *** in the Championship.

Kobe runs every star player out of the city with his me-first playing style and his huge ego. Shaq is and will be the ONLY reason Kobe ever wins a title. Kobe Bryant is the Terrell Owens of the NBA. He has no leadership abilities AT ALL, he puts himself BEFORE the team inside his own playing style and he is the reason the team plays poorly the majority of the time.

He tries to prove points by not taking shots during games and acting like without him shooting, they'll lose. As he displayed this behavior last year and the year before with the media. He tries to prove points by taking the majority of the shots in wins.

Kobe Bryant has no idea what "team" even is. He's never averaged 10 Assists a game in any 15 game stretch in his career. He doesn't make the guys around him better, he cripples them.

Here are solid stats.

This season: 6 games with 10+ assists.
Last season: 3 games with 10+ assists.
2005 season: 12 games with 10+ assists.
2004 season: 1 game with 10+ assists.
2003 season: 11 games with 10+ assists.
2002 season: 7 games with 10+ assists.
2001 season: 3 games with 10+ assists.
2000 season: 4 games with 10+ assists.

Case in point. He has no idea there are 4 other guys in Lakers jerseys on the floor with him.

So what if he did not have 10 assists in 15+ games in any season. That did not stop the lakers from being one of the top teams before the injuries this season. YOu can believe these stats all you want. The only thing the lakers need to win the championship is get their lineup healthy and get rid of Smush Parker.

[christianpachon]

You have got to be kidding me. The Lakers have been in a sad state of affairs since the end of the 2004 season when the Pistons smacked their *** in the Championship.

Kobe runs every star player out of the city with his me-first playing style and his huge ego. Shaq is and will be the ONLY reason Kobe ever wins a title. Kobe Bryant is the Terrell Owens of the NBA. He has no leadership abilities AT ALL, he puts himself BEFORE the team inside his own playing style and he is the reason the team plays poorly the majority of the time.

He tries to prove points by not taking shots during games and acting like without him shooting, they'll lose. As he displayed this behavior last year and the year before with the media. He tries to prove points by taking the majority of the shots in wins.

Kobe Bryant has no idea what "team" even is. He's never averaged 10 Assists a game in any 15 game stretch in his career. He doesn't make the guys around him better, he cripples them.

Case in point. He has no idea there are 4 other guys in Lakers jerseys on the floor with him.

I agree with you, but maybe that style is what keep the Lakers alive. I mean, all their team mates are not the kind of players who should be around Kobe. Are bad players, it will be good that Kobe could receive help from a player like him, a star. He will never win a tittle with that team.

[netbevit]

So what if he did not have 10 assists in 15+ games in any season. That did not stop the lakers from being one of the top teams before the injuries this season. YOu can believe these stats all you want. The only thing the lakers need to win the championship is get their lineup healthy and get rid of Smush Parker.

So what if he didn't have 10+ assists in any 15 game stretch of his life? Are you kidding me? Do you not see how leaders lead by making the players around them better? You don't do that by taking all of the shots. You use your star advantage to help the weaker players out in creating shots FOR them.

Look at Dwyane Wade. He averages 15 games a season with 10+ assists... He's 23(or so) years old and knows the concept of "team"... He helps the guys around him play better...

It is NOT hard at all to be a ONE MAN show during the season and make the playoffs. That is not exactly difficult. Team basketball WINS in the Playoffs. The Lakers don't have that and had they never had Shaq dominate on the inside while Kobe was able to play his "one-man" team style on the outside, the Lakers would have never won championships in the last 7-8 years...

You can't win titles on your own in the NBA, it doesn't happen. Sorry. You can talk about Smush Parker all you want, you can talk about Lamar Odom, etc... It doesn't matter. The Lakers are a stupid organization that should have gotten rid of Kobe Bryant a long time ago and just kept Shaquille O'Neal. They'd be a PRIME contender right now had they done that. Kobe Bryant just like Allen Iverson, will NEVER win a title from here on out... I guarantee that.

I agree with you, but maybe that style is what keep the Lakers alive. I mean, all their team mates are not the kind of players who should be around Kobe. Are bad players, it will be good that Kobe could receive help from a player like him, a star. He will never win a tittle with that team.

Kobe can't keep star players around him because he doesn't know how to share ONE BASKETBALL amongst TWO PEOPLE. He's a selfish talent.

[Blu-Ray]

So what if he didn't have 10+ assists in any 15 game stretch of his life? Are you kidding me? Do you not see how leaders lead by making the players around them better? You don't do that by taking all of the shots. You use your star advantage to help the weaker players out in creating shots FOR them.

Look at Dwyane Wade. He averages 15 games a season with 10+ assists... He's 23(or so) years old and knows the concept of "team"... He helps the guys around him play better...

It is NOT hard at all to be a ONE MAN show during the season and make the playoffs. That is not exactly difficult. Team basketball WINS in the Playoffs. The Lakers don't have that and had they never had Shaq dominate on the inside while Kobe was able to play his "one-man" team style on the outside, the Lakers would have never won championships in the last 7-8 years...

You can't win titles on your own in the NBA, it doesn't happen. Sorry. You can talk about Smush Parker all you want, you can talk about Lamar Odom, etc... It doesn't matter. The Lakers are a stupid organization that should have gotten rid of Kobe Bryant a long time ago and just kept Shaquille O'Neal. They'd be a PRIME contender right now had they done that. Kobe Bryant just like Allen Iverson, will NEVER win a title from here on out... I guarantee that.



Kobe can't keep star players around him because he doesn't know how to share ONE BASKETBALL amongst TWO PEOPLE. He's a selfish talent.

I have to agree. But your putting my boi AI down. :( He doesn't need practice, we're talking about - not a game - but practice.

[SE fanboy]

So what if he didn't have 10+ assists in any 15 game stretch of his life? Are you kidding me? Do you not see how leaders lead by making the players around them better? You don't do that by taking all of the shots. You use your star advantage to help the weaker players out in creating shots FOR them.

Look at Dwyane Wade. He averages 15 games a season with 10+ assists... He's 23(or so) years old and knows the concept of "team"... He helps the guys around him play better...

It is NOT hard at all to be a ONE MAN show during the season and make the playoffs. That is not exactly difficult. Team basketball WINS in the Playoffs. The Lakers don't have that and had they never had Shaq dominate on the inside while Kobe was able to play his "one-man" team style on the outside, the Lakers would have never won championships in the last 7-8 years...

You can't win titles on your own in the NBA, it doesn't happen. Sorry. You can talk about Smush Parker all you want, you can talk about Lamar Odom, etc... It doesn't matter. The Lakers are a stupid organization that should have gotten rid of Kobe Bryant a long time ago and just kept Shaquille O'Neal. They'd be a PRIME contender right now had they done that. Kobe Bryant just like Allen Iverson, will NEVER win a title from here on out... I guarantee that.



Kobe can't keep star players around him because he doesn't know how to share ONE BASKETBALL amongst TWO PEOPLE. He's a selfish talent.

Lakers have proven this season that they can play as a team and not depend on Kobe earlier this season. To do that however they need t o overcome the injuries they have gotten this season. Kobe was not even the top scorer this season before the injuries. He was like 5th when everyone was well. Then when Lakers dropped 6 and 7 in a row, Phil Jackson asked Kobe to take over and that is why he is taking a lot of shots again. If it wasn't for him, Lakers would have dropped 10 in a row. When you take Lamar, Luke, Kwame out, the team is filled with rookies and an incosistant idiot(aka smush)

[netbevit]

Lakers have proven this season that they can play as a team and not depend on Kobe earlier this season. To do that however they need t o overcome the injuries they have gotten this season. Kobe was not even the top scorer this season before the injuries. He was like 5th when everyone was well. Then when Lakers dropped 6 and 7 in a row, Phil Jackson asked Kobe to take over and that is why he is taking a lot of shots again. If it wasn't for him, Lakers would have dropped 10 in a row. When you take Lamar, Luke, Kwame out, the team is filled with rookies and an incosistant idiot(aka smush)


What does your scoring rank have to do with anything? Michael Jordan won 9 out of 10 scoring titles while leading his team to 6 Championships.

Point is, Lakers would STILL have Shaquille O'Neal if it wasn't for Kobe Bryant and more than likely a dominating guard that they would have gotten in return for Kobe in a trade had they just gotten rid of him. This would have lead to the team being in a FAR BETTER position than they are currently in... End of Story.

[SE fanboy]

What does your scoring rank have to do with anything? Michael Jordan won 9 out of 10 scoring titles while leading his team to 6 Championships.

Point is, Lakers would STILL have Shaquille O'Neal if it wasn't for Kobe Bryant and more than likely a dominating guard that they would have gotten in return for Kobe in a trade had they just gotten rid of him. This would have lead to the team being in a FAR BETTER position than they are currently in... End of Story.

Better point Guard in return. You make me laugh.

And BTW

Shaq is old. It was stupid to keep him. Give Bynum a couple of years and he will become the lakers new Shaq.

[netbevit]

Better point Guard in return. You make me laugh.

And BTW

Shaq is old. It was stupid to keep him. Give Bynum a couple of years and he will become the lakers new Shaq.


Your reading comprehension makes me laugh. Where did I state anything about a better guard than Bryant? Oh, that's right... No where. Also, Bryant isn't a Point Guard, so you could have the worst Point Guard in the league join the Lakers and he would be technically a better point guard than Kobe.

Yeah, Shaq is old. It's really showing with his 4th NBA Championship he won just last season WITHOUT Kobe.

Kobe keeps good players from joining the Lakers. NOBODY wants to play with him even though Kevin Garnett said he'd "like" to... Garnett just wants out of Minnesota any way he can.

[SE fanboy]

Your reading comprehension makes me laugh. Where did I state anything about a better guard than Bryant? Oh, that's right... No where. Also, Bryant isn't a Point Guard, so you could have the worst Point Guard in the league join the Lakers and he would be technically a better point guard than Kobe.

Yeah, Shaq is old. It's really showing with his 4th NBA Championship he won just last season WITHOUT Kobe.

Kobe keeps good players from joining the Lakers. NOBODY wants to play with him even though Kevin Garnett said he'd "like" to... Garnett just wants out of Minnesota any way he can.

People have fights. They move on. Why can't you?

And BTW which player has Kobe tried to stop from joining the lakers after the fight?

Stop making up facts. Stop living in the past. Kobe owns and you dont

[netbevit]

People have fights. They move on. Why can't you?

Way to be completely irrelevant.

[KingJordan]

The Lakers/Suns game was kinda close until about midway thru the 4th. Does anyone on the Lakers have any heart besides Kobe?

And..

Smush Parker is an idiot.

[dc writer]

Wow, exciting game! Bulls vs Raps . ... don't look now folks.. Raps are 4 real!

[SE fanboy]

The Lakers/Suns game was kinda close until about midway thru the 4th. Does anyone on the Lakers have any heart besides Kobe?

And..

Smush Parker is an idiot.

Yea they have big defense problems because they have a 19 year old rookie playing center and a forward filling in for the two centers that are injured for the lakers. Their defense is obviously going to suffer. Really bad injury year for the lakers. I don't think I have seen these many injuries in a year ever for the lakers.

Smush Parker is an idiot. The suns game was his best game in months. You should have seen the last two games. He sucked, he got benched, and then he got mad that he was benched. What a loser.

[hyelife]

Yea they have big defense problems because they have a 19 year old rookie playing center and a forward filling in for the two centers that are injured for the lakers. Their defense is obviously going to suffer. Really bad injury year for the lakers. I don't think I have seen these many injuries in a year ever for the lakers.

Smush Parker is an idiot. The suns game was his best game in months. You should have seen the last two games. He sucked, he got benched, and then he got mad that he was benched. What a loser.


Agree with your statements that Smush is an idiot who doesn't whant to become a better player. He has the talent but from what i've been seeing is his attitude is getting in the way and doesn't want to do anything about it.

I much rather see Farmar or Sasha be in the starting line up then this idiot, atleast those two could play some defence. I hope this is his last year with the lakers.

[SE fanboy]

Agree with your statements that Smush is an idiot who doesn't whant to become a better player. He has the talent but from what i've been seeing is his attitude is getting in the way and doesn't want to do anything about it.

I much rather see Farmar or Sasha be in the starting line up then this idiot, atleast those two could play some defence. I hope this is his last year with the lakers.

Yup and they need defense right now. Andrew Bynum is slipping and the lakers really dont have another center. The main reason they lost yesterday to the nuggets was the defense they did not have. They gave away so many easy layups. They really need their pro centers back from injuries and then they might have a chance in the playoffs. Right now, it does not look too hot.

[Carlos325]

the suns are going to beat every team easily in the playoffs except for the mavericks, but they are going to beat them because they got Nash the best pg and Amare who is the best center in the NBA.

[SE fanboy]

You guys should watch the lakers-clippers game today. It is going to be an awesome match as lakers and clippers fight for the playoffs. I want the lakers to win but at the same time I don't want clippers out of the playoffs. Lets see what happens. This should be a good game.

[UnReaL]

ut Your reading comprehension makes me laugh. Where did I state anything about a better guard than Bryant? Oh, that's right... No where. Also, Bryant isn't a Point Guard, so you could have the worst Point Guard in the league join the Lakers and he would be technically a better point guard than Kobe.

Yeah, Shaq is old. It's really showing with his 4th NBA Championship he won just last season WITHOUT Kobe.

Kobe keeps good players from joining the Lakers. NOBODY wants to play with him even though Kevin Garnett said he'd "like" to... Garnett just wants out of Minnesota any way he can.

I'm sorry but this Kobe Bashing it pathetic.
First:
Shaq and Kobe are both arrogant, Period! They both hated each other and never got along.

Second:
What did Shaq win before he got to L.A and teamed up with Kobe and Phil....Nothing!

Third:
Shaq didn't win that Heat title. D-Wade did, with the help of the Refs (Jordan treatment), and D-Mavs playing crappy B-Ball. If D-Wade didn't get hurt 2 years ago in the Detroit series, Miami could have won back to back titles.

Penny couldn't help Shaq, but it took Great Superstars in Kobe and Wade in order for him to to win those titles.

You know who the leading assist man for the Lakers was when Shaq and Kobe was together.....Kobe. Kobe could easily average 10+ assist a game if people around him could shoot. If you even watched a Lakers game, than you can easily see, that no one except Kobe is even a threat from the outside. There is a reason why Kobe has to take more shots, and the non-threat of a team is the reason why.

Injuries happen to every team, so there is no excuse for the Lakers as well.

When it comes to the Play-offs however, you bet your *** that Kobe and Lakers will step up, and won't be an easy match for the Suns again.

[airupthere23]

Sorry I just had to comment on your signature quote, and say how well Starbury and the Knicks are doing... Don't be dissen my Cavs now.

http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/images/nikebasketball_lbj_witness_2.jpg

And the whole Jordan treatment with the refs, is something the refs need to learn to deal with.

[UnReaL]

No doubt LBJ is better than Starbury, but its not referring to their gameplay or skills.

Think you probably missed the whole Shoe Comment fight between LBJ and Stephon.

[SE fanboy]

You know who the leading assist man for the Lakers was when Shaq and Kobe was together.....Kobe. Kobe could easily average 10+ assist a game if people around him could shoot. If you even watched a Lakers game, than you can easily see, that no one except Kobe is even a threat from the outside. There is a reason why Kobe has to take more shots, and the non-threat of a team is the reason why.

Injuries happen to every team, so there is no excuse for the Lakers as well.

When it comes to the Play-offs however, you bet your *** that Kobe and Lakers will step up, and won't be an easy match for the Suns again.

Hell yea they will kick ***. I just hope that they sign some good shooters the next season. Kobe gives like wide open looks and more 50% of the time they miss the shot. They need to replace smush with someone who can shoot. That and they need a more reliable and productive bench.

[jakncoke]

Im hoping for good things from the Bulls this year

[UndecideD]

how about them Rockets :) 1.5 game lead on utah for home court advantage in the first round.

[UnReaL]

how about them Rockets :) 1.5 game lead on utah for home court advantage in the first round.

Thats the thing about the West division. People/Analysts keep talking about how the Mavs, Suns, and Spurs will dismantle other teams. Thats completely BS. Every team in the West is dangerous.

Rockets: On Fire with T-Mac and Yao
Denver: On Fire with A.I, and Melo
Lakers: Downhill slide: Kobe, and Lamar (if he wants to step up) (not Kobe's fault, though)

If the game is called fair, than any top team can go down. People thought Lakers should have been swept by Suns last year.....If it wasn't for a single 3-pointer then L.A would have been in the second round.

[Christonian]

have to say as our only NBA team in the country

GO RAPTORS

i dont follow basketball that much but how do you think they are going to do their 3rd in the entire eastern division now and it will be our first playoff since 2000-2001 i think