What Do 360 Owners Think About Trophies?

[Apollo]

Live's Achievements compared to Trophies - what do you guys think Sony's version of the gamerscore showcase you've all enjoyed?

[The_One]

Um... I think it's stupid to compare?

And personally, I dislike the idea of both. That's just me :?.

Actually, "dislike" is too extreme of a word, more like indifferent, wavering on the side of "don't care and won't ever care".

[One-Shot]

Well if they had any games I could try it on I would tell ya. The idea seems pretty good, nothing better or worse than achivements.

[radgamer420]

As already stated as soon as some games come out that use it I'll let you know. I do think its great that sony has this now especially since I own both systems. Also I agree with the above poster that it will be no better and no worse than 360 achievements.

[sainraja]

Everyone needs to wait for the fixed firmware update before they start comparing as the games that had the update for trophies also don't have it anymore. For example, Stardust....does not prompt you to download the trophy update so going by that I am sure every other developer is on hold as well.

[RAMPAGE]

At the moment i not excited about the trophie system. I still prefer the 360 achievement style.

[radgamer420]

Everyone needs to wait for the fixed firmware update before they start comparing as the games that had the update for trophies also don't have it anymore. For example, Stardust....does not prompt you to download the trophy update so going by that I am sure every other developer is on hold as well.

I agree. sony will be giving us more firmware updates that will continue to improve upon it.

[Nucleus]

Well honestly, this is something that should have already been available. Copycat two years ago or copycat today all the ground work for it was already laid. Unfortunately there are a slew of games that are already out that dont support trophies so it doesnt really matter now unless there is an update that will give you trophies for tasks already completed.

[LaOMaN]

i think it sucks that you have to complete everything all over to get trophies

[chimam2002]

Everyone needs to wait for the fixed firmware update before they start comparing as the games that had the update for trophies also don't have it anymore. For example, Stardust....does not prompt you to download the trophy update so going by that I am sure every other developer is on hold as well.

actually they wouldnt be on hold(trophy's are not the problem, its the ingame xmb and the firmware itself), they would/should use this time and get there patch ready so ones sony releases the fw again, they can put up the patch and everybody can get em

but i understand were your coming from

[Future_Trunks]

Great idea without actually doing a blatant copy of 360's achievements.
However I think its really stupid Sony left trophies up to devs to implement, I don't think many games will support this feature.

Atleast on 360 ALL games support achievements, EVEN Quake 2 which was on the bonus content DVD for Quake 4! lol

[MiNiMaL_sAnItY]

Um... I think it's stupid to compare?

And personally, I dislike the idea of both. That's just me :?.

Actually, "dislike" is too extreme of a word, more like indifferent, wavering on the side of "don't care and won't ever care".

Thats what they all say at first! :p

I'll wait for burnout: paradise and other games to be patched first before comparing, right now the trophies idea is in an infant stage, too early to compare.

[Sparc]

I really like a) they have included Trophies at long last and b) the levelling up system (v.cool). However it's all very "patched on" and "up to the developer" which makes it a hit and miss affair as to whether you'll get them or not. I still prefer achievements but the main reason for that is that I've been building them up since the gen began and also that every single game I own on the 360 has them.

[rikwakefield]

The consistency of gamerpoints across ALL games clinches it for me

[Carsonal]

I'll wait til my games are patched then find out.

[Metal Militia]

Great idea without actually doing a blatant copy of 360's achievements.
However I think its really stupid Sony left trophies up to devs to implement, I don't think many games will support this feature.

This is the trouble Sony have landed themselves in by being late with the addition of the trophy system. Though, once they get a proper working 2.4 out the door I think we'll see the vast majority of games released this Autumn and onwards supporting them. You can guarantee that all of the exclusives will have them and if the third party multi-platform dev's have to include them for 360 anyway, it can't be hard to just transfer the Achievement requirements and turn them into Trophies for the PS3 version. It's not like they have to think up two completely different sets of requirements.

I'm glad they didn't just copy Gamerscore exactly and having a level system with a progress bar for each level means the people that are so inclined can still directly compare their "score" with their friends for bragging rights.

How do I feel about them? Much the same as I do about Acheivements. I won't be going out on a limb to get them all.

[Sockpuppet]

Should have been there day one, myself I've already accumulated a fair amount of gamerpoints so I have already sort of invested in that. Would be different if I only owned a PS3.

[Fedos]

I don't like how there isn't an accumulated points system, instead they have levels. Admittedly, you have to give Sony credit for just not copying MS in that regard, and going with perhaps their only other option, but I would have preferred a point system over levelling.

[optics]

Well comparing SSHD trophies to Geometry Wars Achievements, I would say SSHD trophies are way easier to obtain than Geometry War's achievements. So hopefully they make trophies harder to obtain than making them more expensive to obtain through add-ons.

[Switch]

I think it's a great idea to have Trophies. I will surely use Trophies in exclusive PS3 titles. However, I have an investment in Achievements, and all my multiplatform will be going the Achievement route. I dislike the fact that Trophies are optional.

I guess it is safe to say I like achievements better, but I do like the trophy option on the PS3.

[sainraja]

actually they wouldnt be on hold(trophy's are not the problem, its the ingame xmb and the firmware itself), they would/should use this time and get there patch ready so ones sony releases the fw again, they can put up the patch and everybody can get em

but i understand were your coming from

I didn't say that trophies were the problem but the firmware that allows trophies is not available to everyone anymore so they can't download the trophy update for games that have it because the update that allows that for games also has been pulled.

People who were able to, (without the 2.4 update) had their game installing the game update in a repeating loop....which is why I said the developers that were going to add trophies are also on hold at the moment.

And as for some people claiming trophies are up to the developer.....I am not so sure about that. I read that CEI added it as a requirement and only the games that have come out on the PS3 so far have been left up to the developer which is why not all previous games are getting trophies.

[Perfect Sin]

If PS3 gamers are anything like 360 gamers, if I was a developer I would make sure my game supported trophies.

A) It wouldn't be hard to implement them
and
B) It's more of a reason for PS3 gamers to buy the game and play it hardcore...for the trophy points.
thus
C) PS3 games will sell better, and perhaps even gain a little more popularity.

Sony doesn't need to make trophies mandatory, the developers will use it.

[tmacfan4321]

I like the idea, I just want to see it in action.

[retsimco]

I'm not a fan of the trophy nor the achievement systems. I can't say I don't like them but I could really care less if they implemented them into games or not.

However, it's a good thing that Sony decided to do this. I don't think the trophy system will be any better than the achievement system anytime soon, but with Sony's upcoming firmware updates I could see trophies surpassing achievements.

Just my $0.02.

[se7enthsign]

Well, I have two thoughts on trophies.
1.) They are better than achievements in a way. The system is deeper and the levels are cool. There is a chance that it could be a very good system.

2.) But, I have a feeling that the trophy system could fail. This is something that the PS3 needed to have a year ago. Now there are several games that don't support it and won't be bothered to patch their games either. Even FIRST PARTY developers are refusing to patch their games. That is very troubling. Sounds like Super Stardust HD will be the only game supporting trophies for a long time.

[ptrainpope]

Primarily I'll use the PS3 for exclusives, and I would think most of them will support trophies down the line, so for that I'm excited. I do think overall the 360, with the ability to view and compare achievements from your pc, will still be my preference for now. If Sony continues to make improvements to their system, say in the next year or so, there's a possibility I would prefer trophies. We'll see.

[Black F 0 X]

well i have both systems and i say that trophies are better but achivements are more simple with numbers lol

[Scape]

trophies are one step up on achievments i think. achievements give you that "cool" feeling when you get one. now with trophies we will get that "cool" feeling when we get one and when we level up. they are the same thing realy, and mean nothing. but trophies gives you that feeling that your trophies earned are going towards something since you can level up. when someone has, lets say 70k GS, a 10 or 30 point achievement means nothing. but with trophies it could mean a level up. still, in the grand scheme of things it still means absolutely nothing lol.

Sony has said that by December they want the feature to be mandatory for all games. which i think it has to be or else its a failed idea. it does not take long to put trophies in a game and every game should and better have it.

[rikwakefield]

I think it's a great idea to have Trophies. I will surely use Trophies in exclusive PS3 titles. However, I have an investment in Achievements, and all my multiplatform will be going the Achievement route. I dislike the fact that Trophies are optional.

I guess it is safe to say I like achievements better, but I do like the trophy option on the PS3.
That's the disappointing thing for me.

[Dasimpse]

trophies are pointless if they are optional! sony need to make certification change so you HAVE to have trophies. If they dont there is absolutely no point in trophies. I love the idea of both, and both can be awesome, Trophies have the potential to be better with the levelling up system etc but they HAVE to be optional.

so sort it out sony if not just delete them and theres no point. or people will just avoid good games over a game thats average and has trophie support.

[sainraja]

I think it's a great idea to have Trophies. I will surely use Trophies in exclusive PS3 titles. However, I have an investment in Achievements, and all my multiplatform will be going the Achievement route. I dislike the fact that Trophies are optional.

I guess it is safe to say I like achievements better, but I do like the trophy option on the PS3.

That's the disappointing thing for me.

Who said they were optional? They are ONLY optional for titles that have already been released for the PS3.

All titles that are going to be released in the future will have trophy support and developers have more of a reason to include it on their own instead of have Sony require it anyway...

EDIT:
After looking up trophy support a little bit more, all I found was that Sony has not put a deadline on developers for trophy support. That is understandable since the trophy system has JUST been introduced to the system. Developers that have already finished their games and are ready to ship don't have to commit to adding trophies right away. This is the best route that Sony could have taken without annoying developers and pleasing their fans at the same time (considering you guys care for the system to work to begin with instead of just talking bad about it because they are not achievements.)

These announcements are a blow to the vision of PSN director of operations Eric Lempel, who told GameSpy that while Sony was not putting a deadline to developers, trophies would ultimately be supported in every existing game - though how Sony could possibly enforce this is a bit of a moot point. COD4 and CivRev join Resistance: Fall of Man and Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction in the pool of titles that won’t be patched, with Insomniac also citing current projects (Resistance 2!) as being more important.

Source:
http://www.ripten.com/2008/07/03/trophy-support-for-old-ps3-games-in-doubt/

[ryumo]

Well, as a 360 owner, I pretty much don't care about achievements or trophies.

I just play the games. If I happen to get an achievement, great! If I played a game, had a great time and never earned one achievement, I wouldn't lose any sleep. I have never knowingly and/or actively pursued an achievement in a game.

[Switch]

Who said they were optional? They are ONLY optional for titles that have already been released for the PS3.

All titles that are going to be released in the future will have trophy support and developers have more of a reason to include it on their own instead of have Sony require it anyway...

EDIT:
After looking up trophy support a little bit more, all I found was that Sony has not put a deadline on developers for trophy support. That is understandable since the trophy system has JUST been introduced to the system. Developers that have already finished their games and are ready to ship don't have to commit to adding trophies right away. This is the best route that Sony could have taken without annoying developers and pleasing their fans at the same time (considering you guys care for the system to work to begin with instead of just talking bad about it because they are not achievements.)



Source:
http://www.ripten.com/2008/07/03/trophy-support-for-old-ps3-games-in-doubt/


Will trophies be mandatory for all games release here on out?
We are working with developers to ensure that Trophies are supported across the board in the future.


From Sony direct. Again, no guarantee and no promises. I hope they require it, and don't allow games to pass certification until they have trophy support.

Source:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/06/30/firmware-v240-faq/

[Rareware]

Frankly, I could care less. All gamers deserve something like this. I just never, ever, want to hear anyone say that MS copied this or that from anyone.

[radgamer420]

I only use my PS3 for exclusives and I'm sure all games that are PS3 exclusive will definitley support trophies.

[skarekrow]

Frankly, I could care less. All gamers deserve something like this. I just never, ever, want to hear anyone say that MS copied this or that from anyone.

They all copy and you can expect to hear it from all sides. As I said while defending MS back in the day, Everyone copies and as long as its continually improving the outcome, who gives a ****?

Honestly, If trophies are anything theyre trying to make them out to be, Then you can expect MS to counter with something similar. An expansion of sorts.

[Scape]

Frankly, I could care less. All gamers deserve something like this. I just never, ever, want to hear anyone say that MS copied this or that from anyone.

a little defensive? no one in this topic but you has mentioned anyone copying anything. we can spin it in a thousand ways. we could say MS copied the idea of having a console that uses CDs as Sony did it 15 years ago...but of course that is silly, same goes for anything else that has been "copied". a good idea is a good idea and everyone should get the chance to enjoy them. but in this business, pretty much everything has been done before so you could technically say that pretty much everything has been copied from something else. but if its a good feature then i think it should be copied or improved upon, this is one of the many ways we get a better gaming experience.

there are lots of features my PS3 has that my 360 does not. and i would gladly accept it, if MS would copy these things so my gaming experience on my 360 could improve. same thing for the things my 360 has that my PS3 does not.

[Carl]

I guess it is safe to say I like achievements better, but I do like the trophy option on the PS3.

They're optional at the moment for games that are nearing release, as they are finished/almost finished. Soon they will be made madatory though

[GartMon]

I think the idea is cool,. It's very similar to the achievement system, and in some ways cooler, but also in some ways worse. The worse part being that it's not as easy to show off your achievements with trophies. Having a point system really makes it easy to get an idea of how much someone has achieved. Also, it's easy to select someones gamertag and look at what achivements they got in what game. So I would say the 360 system is on par and a little bit beyond, but the idea of a 3d trophy in a virtual world is still pretty cool. It's just not as practical IMO.

[LeisureSuitLarry]

Not a big trophies/achievements fan myself, but Sony's trophy system needs to be fleshed out a bit more and it would be nice to see some standardization like Microsoft has implemented with achievements.

Frankly, I could care less. All gamers deserve something like this. I just never, ever, want to hear anyone say that MS copied this or that from anyone.

:rolleyes:

[Rareware]

a little defensive? no one in this topic but you has mentioned anyone copying anything. we can spin it in a thousand ways. we could say MS copied the idea of having a console that uses CDs as Sony did it 15 years ago...but of course that is silly, same goes for anything else that has been "copied". a good idea is a good idea and everyone should get the chance to enjoy them. but in this business, pretty much everything has been done before so you could technically say that pretty much everything has been copied from something else. but if its a good feature then i think it should be copied or improved upon, this is one of the many ways we get a better gaming experience.

there are lots of features my PS3 has that my 360 does not. and i would gladly accept it, if MS would copy these things so my gaming experience on my 360 could improve. same thing for the things my 360 has that my PS3 does not.

Thank you! That's exactly what I have been saying round here. I see far too many posts about MS copying Sony, Sony copying Nintendo, etc. If there is a good idea out there, why not duplicate it, add to it, improve upon it. We the games are the true winners. Who cares who copied what? Does it hurt anyone if they all copy each other? No, it does not.

[sainraja]

From Sony direct. Again, no guarantee and no promises. I hope they require it, and don't allow games to pass certification until they have trophy support.

Source:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/06/30/firmware-v240-faq/

So you translated that into it's not mandatory? They said they ARE working with developers to get it implemented. That is a step towards the right direction. No where does it suggest that Sony has left it entirely up to the developer. Sony can not force every developer to add it to previous games. They CAN make sure games in the future have it....and they are doing that.

Will trophies be mandatory for all games release here on out? We are working with developers to ensure that Trophies are supported across the board in the future.They are working with developers to get it implemented. Games that are about to come out, that were in development before the tools (that allow trophies) were available to the devs will come without trophies. When there is no support for a feature how can Sony force those developers to add it? Or make it a requirement? There is support now and they are working with the developers so the only thing that quote is suggesting is that future games will have trophies support...

While you can claim that's not a 100% confirmation or is not a guarantee, because really, that is all you can do, or make of that statement. It does not suggest what you seem to be stating. If they weren't serious about it, they wouldn't have included it with the firmware.

[Scape]

I think the idea is cool,. It's very similar to the achievement system, and in some ways cooler, but also in some ways worse. The worse part being that it's not as easy to show off your achievements with trophies. Having a point system really makes it easy to get an idea of how much someone has achieved. Also, it's easy to select someones gamertag and look at what achivements they got in what game. So I would say the 360 system is on par and a little bit beyond, but the idea of a 3d trophy in a virtual world is still pretty cool. It's just not as practical IMO.


you just explained trophies. yes, trophies work that way as well. its easy to select your friends profile and look at which trophies they got and you can also compare your trophies. its pretty much the same exact set up as achievments but you gain levels by getting trophies.

[Perfect Sin]

If I hear any Sony copied MS comments, i'm gonna impale myself on a flag pole (don't ask me how).

The media has put so much pressure on Sony to answer MS's achievement feature, that if Sony had not done so, the PS3 would still be considered that much behind the 360.

Not to mention some PS3 fans did want an "achievement based" system on the PS3.

[Kydosan]

I like the idea of levelling up, but pretty much everything else about it which isn't lifted wholesale from the 360 just seems idiotic.

I get not wanting to make it an arbitrary number, and to factor in the amount of work you put in getting certain things done - that's quite a cool idea too, but there's something really natural about having your progress measured in a score. Calling it trophies just seems forced.

[Switch]

So you translated that into it's not mandatory? They said they ARE working with developers to get it implemented. That is a step towards the right direction. No where does it suggest that Sony has left it entirely up to the developer. Sony can not force every developer to add it to previous games. They CAN make sure games in the future have it....and they are doing that.

They are working with developers to get it implemented. Games that are about to come out, that were in development before the tools (that allow trophies) were available to the devs will come without trophies. When there is no support for a feature how can Sony force those developers to add it? Or make it a requirement? There is support now and they are working with the developers so the only thing that quote is suggesting is that future games will have trophies support...

While you can claim that's not a 100% confirmation or is not a guarantee, because really, that is all you can do, or make of that statement. It does not suggest what you seem to be stating. If they weren't serious about it, they wouldn't have included it with the firmware.

I read it as Sony is working with developers to implement trophies in the future. I didn't read anything about making it mandatory is all. But I am hoping they do so.

[Zabuza]

I don't even care about achievements so I doubt I will hold any interests for trophies. I've played around 15-20 games on my 360 so far but only have a 3000 gamerscore most of which came from halo 3 and cod4.

[DayWalker]

i don't get why sony can't make trophy support mandatory...

[Switch]

i don't get why sony can't make trophy support mandatory...

I believe their plan is to make it mandatory. The question really is, what is the time line.

[Zabuza]

i don't get why sony can't make trophy support mandatory...

Game devs are gonna implement it but it would just be too troublesome to include it when their games are gonna come out in the next few months. We can almost definitely expect games coming out next year to have trophies otherwise just wait for patches for the already-released 1st party games definitely.

[sainraja]

you just explained trophies. yes, trophies work that way as well. its easy to select your friends profile and look at which trophies they got and you can also compare your trophies. its pretty much the same exact set up as achievments but you gain levels by getting trophies.

He was referring to the gamercard 360 owners are able to share with other gamers. The gamercard reflects the gamerscore in real time unlike the card we are able to make using playfire or tripletags system.

Trophies don't have a system like that in place yet....and we don't know if it will.

[skulpt]

Trophies have squat on achievements until there are enough games across the board that support it.

I think in a few years it will be really nice, but for now it's next to nothing.

I do like the leveling up better though. Who cares if you have 40,000 points and you gain 20 points on an achievement? Where as with the leveling up, every point can count. I mean look at our rep system on the boards here. I know there are more factors that trophies will have, but it still is a nice incentive having a leveling up system.

In the end, the points and levels are just really fluff (I mean honestly here guys. It's like rats hitting a button to get food. It's very simple way of getting value out of a game), but it does add something to out primitive sides I guess. LOL

[webshark]

the only difference i have seen in the whole system so far is that they are called something else, and one uses a linear scale while the other looks like it will use a sort of logarithmic scale......oh, and one is universally supported while the other is almost universally unsupported....

[justsayin]

I think it's great that Sony has implemented a system that is similar to achievement points but not identical. I think the concepts behind the way the trophy system works are interesting, but I don’t really think you can compare them directly at the moment.

Wait 6 months and then we will see where the trophy system is. Right now it isn’t supported widely enough to compare, and I want to see how it actually plays out before drawing any conclusion as to which I like better.

I think that Sony, like me, was surprised at the popularity of the Gamerscore concept. I can understand not having it from day 1, and I think it’s a very good thing that they are addressing the desires of their community by adding a similar system.

[A7MAD]

My general take on Trophies are;

1. A achievement like system was needed.
2. Need more game support.
3. Sony should allow Trophies for completed titles (semi completion also).

[.RAID3N.]

I've never experienced Achievements before so I can't be a fair judge, but I do know I like the sound of the leveling up system better. And if they can get some sort of monetary value out of the Trophies, weather it be in Home or on the PSN store, I will really appreciate that.

[Naxi]

It's the same thing in different clothing.Leveling up would be good, but you only level up to another number as far as i know, i might be wrong. I like the feature though, it will make ps3 games much more enjoyable.

[Agriel]

It's the same thing in different clothing.Leveling up would be good, but you only level up to another number as far as i know, i might be wrong. I like the feature though, it will make ps3 games much more enjoyable.
I kind of have hopes that the level thing will effect Home Avatars in some way.

[Vertisce]

Seems to me that Sony isn't trying to make this something to compare e'peens so much as just a way to earn a few trophies to increase replayability of games.

[arthur]

plainly put, trophies are there to serve the same purpose as acheivements, some here think its deep, to me its the same thing with a different name

[A7MAD]

Seems to me that Sony isn't trying to make this something to compare e'peens so much as just a way to earn a few trophies to increase replayability of games.

You get certain individuals from all walks that make anything into an e-pen** pissing distance contest.

[radgamer420]

Seems to me that Sony isn't trying to make this something to compare e'peens so much as just a way to earn a few trophies to increase replayability of games.

I agree 100% and I think its great that sony is doing this as it will make PS3 games even more enjoyable as already stated by Naxi.

[The Sith]

The trophy section looks good very colorful yet well understated.

[skarekrow]

You get certain individuals from all walks that make anything into an e-pen** pissing distance contest.

You mean like....

Console Wars?

[A7MAD]

skarekrow

Yes that's one, or another would be who has the better wife, better car, better sex, better job, better girlfriend and wife on the side (I love that line) :lol:

[kryton101]

Great idea without actually doing a blatant copy of 360's achievements.
However I think its really stupid Sony left trophies up to devs to implement, I don't think many games will support this feature.

Atleast on 360 ALL games support achievements, EVEN Quake 2 which was on the bonus content DVD for Quake 4! lol

And this isn't a blatant copy? Ok so there are no points but the bronze, silver, gold, platinum trophies effectively represent increasing values (say 20GP, 40GP, 60GP, 80GP) which will allow players to be ranked.

I think that the prize horders will love Sony's achievements system in much the same way there is a core within the 360 community that just loves to collect; The pokemon effect?

For everyone lese they will be more a momentary 'thats nice' as you get some sense of achievement from completing the first level and get a shiny bronze trophy for doing it.

[PXG S3]

I think trophies are better than achievements. I like the whole ranking system that the PS3 is doing, rather than the lifeless points system the 360 does. However, the bitter side to trophies is that only a few games are going to support them. Its not universal, like it is on the 360.

[Agriel]

I think trophies are better than achievements. I like the whole ranking system that the PS3 is doing, rather than the lifeless points system the 360 does. However, the bitter side to trophies is that only a few games are going to support them. Its not universal, like it is on the 360.
I agree with that, that is the only draw back right now is that its not universal YET. But my guess is that this time next year or even a few months from now most games will support it so it won't matter that much.
Its always like this at first with a new feature nothing supports it.

[PXG S3]

I agree with that, that is the only draw back right now is that its not universal YET. But my guess is that this time next year or even a few months from now most games will support it so it won't matter that much.
Its always like this at first with a new feature nothing supports it.

That.....its going to take forever....IF ever....

[TGO]

I knew this topic would pop up one day

[Agriel]

That.....its going to take forever....IF ever....
right :rolleyes:, because it so hard for devs to take achievements and translate them into Trophies. Sony has already said they will make it mandatory just like MS does with achievements. You sure are looking at as a glass is half empty kind of way.

[AnonymousB]

I don't really care about trophies, same way I don't care about achievements. My achievements are a representation of the way I play the game. I don't go out of my way for some silly numbers :)

[TheDoctor]

Can anyone explain how the levels are different from me taking my gamerscore, dividing it by 1000 and calling that a level?

I mean, as has been said, presumably the different trophies have different values (scores/points) and you need so many to get the next level (Say 1000)?

[Scape]

Can anyone explain how the levels are different from me taking my gamerscore, dividing it by 1000 and calling that a level?

I mean, as has been said, presumably the different trophies have different values (scores/points) and you need so many to get the next level (Say 1000)?


they are the same exact thing except trophies gives you the feeling that you are getting something extra when you level up. when you got like 40k GS, what does 10, 20, or 30 points really mean to you? not much. now for trophies, that could mean a level up. which in the end still means absolutely nothing just as achievments lol. so now instead of just getting that "ooh cool" feeling when you get a achievment/trophy, you also get a second "ooh cool" feeling when it levels you up.

so i think both are the same, but trophies kind of gives you the feeling you are actually working towards something, even though the level gives you nothing. i think levels and achievments for 360 should give us game unlocks or maybe a free download from our respective services or something

i gotta say, for the most part, this is the tamest 360 crowd i have seen. should see the how the topic turned out over at TXB when it was brought up lol. a bunch of angry children on that site and the mods dont do anything. this is probably the most civilized i have seen this discussion.

[efs5030]

im a ps3 owner and could care less about trophies

[Minnzy]

I don't own a 360 but when talking to it to a friend she responded with something I find funny

Me: What do you think of this trophy crap? it's like the 360 achievment thing
Her: PS3 has achievments now? OMG now PS3 owners can enjoy the won... oooh a puppy let's go play with it!
Me: Your input is excelent as always!

Neither of us are a fan :p

[Scape]

wish i could go back in time and see if any of the people here saying they dont care for neither are the same people who allways used achievments as bragging rights.

not saying anyone here are those people...but would be interesting to know. same goes for how many PS3 users did not care for it but now love it lol.

[Carsonal]

Yes.

I agree that we should wait until both e-*****es are fully functional before we whip them out and compare.

[AnonymousB]

i gotta say, for the most part, this is the tamest 360 crowd i have seen. should see the how the topic turned out over at TXB when it was brought up lol. a bunch of angry children on that site and the mods dont do anything. this is probably the most civilized i have seen this discussion.
All in all this is a quite civilised forum. Rep and skill points make people fear a ban more. Also the mods are active and clean up the mess faster than most other forums.

I have to add that the mods have a slight ps3 bias, but then again, this is called ps3forums, what does one expect :)
I admit that I like the wii/xbox more than the ps3, still this is one of the nicest forums I know.

[Switch]

This forum has the most features I have ever seen in a forum. It's an impressive forum. I know it uses a common engine, but it seems there are many features added...the stars, the rep, the icons from the shop, etc.

[webshark]

This forum has the most features I have ever seen in a forum. It's an impressive forum. I know it uses a common engine, but it seems there are many features added...the stars, the rep, the icons from the shop, etc.

i gotta agree there, makes me miss vbulletin all the more on my other forum...

only thing i could wish for here was that it ran a bit faster....