Trophy Information

[Shadownet46]

A lot of people have been trying to figure out why certain games have different number of different trophies. Hopefully this topic will help people out.

*****POINT VALUES*****
Well trophies are assigned a point value (basically the "exp" you get from that trophy).

Bronze = 1
Silver = 2
Gold = 6
Platinum = 12

*****POINT LIMITS*****
Games have a different point limit depending on the type of game it is.

BluRay Games: 82 points
PSN Games (big): 70 points
PSN Games (small): 21 points
Add-ons: 6

This is why the "Brother in Arms" trophy is a Gold one. It uses the 6 points alloted in the Co-op add-on in one trophy.
Small PSN games are the ones for about $5-10, like SSHD or PixelJunk Eden. Big ones are games like WipEout HD that cost around $20.
*****LEVEL EXP*****
1-->2: 14
2-->3: 26 [40]
3-->4: 40 [80]
4-->5: 80 [160] (not 100% sure)
5-->6: 105 [265] (not 100% sure)
6-->7: 135 [400] (pretty sure)
This should help people figure out what they need to level up...

*****YOU CAN HELP TOO!!!*****
Also, if anyone calculates the points needed to reach level 7 or above, or if they get different numbers than what I have here, please post what you've found out so I can make adjustments.

*updated 10/15/08*

[Tom1525]

I think there is platinum.. i think you get it if you full complete all of it...

A source for this, it the playfire.com tag thing. It asks what youve unlocked , and platinum is there. Just speculation...

[Shadownet46]

No, people who got 100% confirmed there is no platinum for SSHD...

[Savage360]

Sony stated many times in the video and websites that the PSN Arcade titles DO NOT have platinum trophies only the retail games do.

[fusion2]

I cannot get 100% just yet because im fron england, we havent got the multiplayer co-op thing yet, i have every trophy apart from this one, annoying.

Ive updated my sig picture but it doesnt seem to work stuck on 15, although i have 16 ???? so ive taken it off.

[Shadownet46]

you need to update your profile card thing then, it still says 15.....

[fusion2]

you need to update your profile card thing then, it still says 15.....

yer it wudnt update for some reason, so im just gona take it off unless they come up with a way to do it automatically. :rolleyes:

[Shadownet46]

Did you update your playfire account?

[fusion2]

Did you update your playfire account?

Do you mean add the trophy on there? Yer i did, got the new code, copied it in my signature, still the same, tried it about three times. Dont worry its only gona be a hassel when more games have trophies, wont be ableto keep track of them all manually :cool:

[Shadownet46]

You don't need to reapply the code...it's the same image URL....
I would try to update it again (it might not have taken...)

[fusion2]

You don't need to reapply the code...it's the same image URL....
I would try to update it again (it might not have taken...)

nah like i said when more games come out with trophies it will become a pain to change.

[Shadownet46]

well, now Sony is making their own with PS Underground.

[HWMbrogden]

It is going to be weird when more games come out with trophy support and people start getting into the 100s for trophies. Does anyone know what level you can go up to?

[Shadownet46]

They'll keep raising the level cap as needed. I doubt it's more than 20-25 atm.....

[Shadownet46]

Another bit of info (not sure if this is know yet):

Super Stardust HD (no add-ons): 7 Bronze, 4 Silver, 1 Gold
SSHD Solo Add-on: 2 Bronze, 2 Silver
SSHD Team Add-on: 1 Gold

now the trophy "point" ratio is 6:3:1 (for bronze, silver, and gold receptively). If we assign 6 points for gold, 2 for silver, and 1 for bronze, and apply them to each game/add-on we get:

Super Stardust HD (no add-ons): (1x7)+(2x4)+(6x1)=21
SSHD Solo Add-on: (1x2)+(2x2)=6
SSHD Team Add-on: 6

and now we do that to Pixeljunk Eden:

19 bronze and 1 silver= (19x1)+(2x1)=21

so we can safely assume that each PSN game will have 21 trophy "points" and each DLC can add up to 6 "points"

[mixpix7212]

Another bit of info (not sure if this is know yet):

Super Stardust HD (no add-ons): 7 Bronze, 4 Silver, 1 Gold
SSHD Solo Add-on: 2 Bronze, 2 Silver
SSHD Team Add-on: 1 Gold

now the trophy "point" ratio is 6:3:1 (for bronze, silver, and gold receptively). If we assign 6 points for gold, 2 for silver, and 1 for bronze, and apply them to each game/add-on we get:

Super Stardust HD (no add-ons): (1x7)+(2x4)+(6x1)=21
SSHD Solo Add-on: (1x2)+(2x2)=6
SSHD Team Add-on: 6

and now we do that to Pixeljunk Eden:

19 bronze and 1 silver= (19x1)+(2x1)=21

so we can safely assume that each PSN game will have 21 trophy "points" and each DLC can add up to 6 "points"


good call on this. i was wondering how they determined how many trophies to put in the psn games.

[Shadownet46]

np, a friend actually told me about this...
Math is fun!

[Alfrayer]

Nice find =D
Actually, from a post a while ago i got:
SSHD: (7x2) + (4x4) + (1x12) = 42
PJE: (19x2) + (1x4) = 42

SSHD SE: (2x2) + (2x4) = 12
SSHD TE: (1x12) = 12

So the ratio for B:S:G is 2:4:12 [42]

But looking at it now its just double yours (i forgot to simplify).
So our ratios are the same - it could be ANYTHING within the ratio ;)

[Shadownet46]

When Uncharted trophies release, the Platinum will change it though, since several gold will = 1 Platinum

looking at the pattern (1x2=2, 2x3=6) I would think that perhaps Platinum will be 6x4=24, but that's more than an entire PSN game....

[Alfrayer]

When Uncharted trophies release, the Platinum will change it though, since several gold will = 1 Platinum

looking at the pattern (1x2=2, 2x3=6) I would think that perhaps Platinum will be 6x4=24, but that's more than an entire PSN game....

Its a logical pattern but in several interviews its been made clear that Bronze->Silver->Gold and then Platinum "DRAMATICALLY Increases Exp". I'll try find some sources but its possible? But then again maybe theres too much thought into this, maybe there is no pattern and they were randomly ellected numbers?

[Shadownet46]

Everything's a pattern!!!!!!!!
>_>

[Alfrayer]

They dont have to be?
If sony executives sat down and just went... Ok, random numbers... Bronze - 1, Silver - 2, Gold - 6 and say Platinum - 15.
You just dont know ;)

[Scorched]

I just got to level 3, I have all on SSHD and 7 bronze on Eden. 25 trophies total, using your ratio it's 40 points. The last trophy only just took me over, th bar is empty, so it looks like exactly 40 exp for level 3.

[Shadownet46]

40-13=27 (cause level 1 to level 2 costs 13 points). Looks like it was 27 after all....

[hkhawk]

Your ratio is correct, my guess is that the Platinum trophies will be worth four times a gold so the ratio will go 1:2:6:24.

[Shadownet46]

I think it takes 28 points for you to reach level 4. Not 100% sure cause the change in points needed only went up by one. Still...it looks that way.....

[Stoffinator]

No, people who got 100% confirmed there is no platinum for SSHD...

Platinum is only for Bluray disc games. And you need to update your level on your gamers card btw. ;-]

[Shadownet46]

Platinum is only for Bluray disc games. And you need to update your level on your gamers card btw. ;-]

Playfire only has level 1 and 2 atm.... THEY need to update....

[dharding]

how many trophies do you need to get level 3?

[Stoffinator]

Playfire only has level 1 and 2 atm.... THEY need to update....

Figures. Typical of them I'd say. ;-]

[Lamplitersniper]

Playfire only has level 1 and 2 atm.... THEY need to update....

Yep Im waiting on them to update also. I want them to put the PJE trophy pics up and allow me to change to level 3. By the time they do it ill need level 4 :p

[Shadownet46]

how many trophies do you need to get level 3?

27 points worth. Bronze trophies are worth 1 point, Silver = 2, Gold =6.

[Axm]

Very nice :D
I really like this system. Way more interesting then 360 achievments.

[Shadownet46]

I'm a Level 3 Paladin
(>.>)
(<.<)

[Alfrayer]

If Sony would confirm this and the levels, websites like playfire could create an automated level up and even exp bar if they wished.

[stlouisdl]

Just curious. If you are in the US and have Europe account can you stiull get the update? has anyone tried this yet?

[Shadownet46]

If Sony would confirm this and the levels, websites like playfire could create an automated level up and even exp bar if they wished.

That is what Sony does NOT want to happen. I remember reading on the PS Blog that they didn't want to say how the "points" system worked cause it would ruin the system for some people. I don't really get how that ruins anything...but they think it does....

[Breakpoint25]

Great work +rep for you +++++++++

[Alfrayer]

That is what Sony does NOT want to happen. I remember reading on the PS Blog that they didn't want to say how the "points" system worked cause it would ruin the system for some people. I don't really get how that ruins anything...but they think it does....

Yea, i know they are sooo keen on keeping it secret but its already superior to achievements because of the "set" limits to trophies instead of the devloper making their own score to each achievement.

If developers stick to this (which when made mandatory, they will have too), theres no harm in revealing the values. I think Sony just wanna be myserious on this one.

[Shadownet46]

Yea, i know they are sooo keen on keeping it secret but its already superior to achievements because of the "set" limits to trophies instead of the devloper making their own score to each achievement.

If developers stick to this (which when made mandatory, they will have too), theres no harm in revealing the values. I think Sony just wanna be myserious on this one.

Well, with Gamerscores there's also a limit, 1000 (1100 for some games I believe), but you're right about each individual achievement now being more structured. This way an Extremely difficult trophy wont take up half of the game's "points" but can be worth up to 6 points (a gold trophy), the same as a moderately difficult one.

The only problem I have is that, like with Pixeljunk Eden, We may get some PSN games with many trophies, but all bronze. I think that we may start to see a steady rise in DLC development for PSN titles (which can add 6 more points to the game's limit). What if Eden was going to get a DLC similar to Pixeljunk Monster Encore? The Devs will most likely add a Gold trophy for something (All seeds in every garden? Getting through Garden 7 without throwing your controller into a wall >__>).

The possibilities.....

[Scorched]

Hey... a quick update for you! I've got three bronze trophies in Uncharted which gives me 3%. It looks like the points limit for retail games is 100. Which is similar to the 360 system, there the retail games are 5x the value of an Arcade game.

[Shadownet46]

Well I have 16 points and and it says 19%

It seems to be closer to 85 points per retail game.

[Scorched]

Yeah, I now have 18 points with 21%, maybe the silver is worth a different percentage here. But you can't really go by percentages anyway as they're rounded.

[Shadownet46]

I think the platinum trophy is messing everything up :/

[Alfrayer]

36 Bronze Trophies, 9 Silver Trophies, 2 Gold Trophies and 1 Platinum Trophy in Uncharted: Drakes Fortune.

36 + 18 + 12 = 66

Thats if your system is right... presuming say, 1 bronze trophie is lower than 1% and is rounded up...
We could still be wroth something in the region of 24?

[Shadownet46]

I think you counted wrong. It's:

3 Gold = 18
8 Silver = 16
36 Bronze =36
Total = 70

I get a point total of about 82 (56 points divided by 68%). This would mean Platinum is about 12 (half of what I had thought)

Once i get the next two trophies, a Gold and Silver (I'm not counting on getting the Crushing trophy any time soon) I'll be able to pinpoint the totals and other stuff.

[Alfrayer]

I think you counted wrong. It's:

3 Gold = 18
8 Silver = 16
36 Bronze =36
Total = 70

I get a point total of about 82 (56 points divided by 68%). This would mean Platinum is about 12 (half of what I had thought)

Once i get the next two trophies, a Gold and Silver (I'm not counting on getting the Crushing trophy any time soon) I'll be able to pinpoint the totals and other stuff.

I got the figures from ps3trophies.org

[Shadownet46]

Well then THEY counted wrong XD

[Rangersmad92]

I have 54 bronze = 54 points, 14 silver = 28 points, 4 gold = 24, and a platinum ( no idea what that is worth ) and am roughly half way through level 4. Does that help you guys with anything at all?

[Shadownet46]

Not really. it would have been nice if you checked right before the last trophy.....Thanks though.

I measured after getting a silver (All treasures, w00t!), calculated, and came up with EXACTLY (no decimals)56 points needed. This makes me think it's right.

I also added some info on how to measure trophy "exp".

I'm a level 4 Paladin >_>

[Rangersmad92]

Not really. it would have been nice if you checked right before the last trophy.....Thanks though.

I measured after getting a silver (All treasures, w00t!), calculated, and came up with EXACTLY (no decimals)56 points needed. This makes me think it's right.

I also added some info on how to measure trophy "exp".

I'm a level 4 Paladin >_>

Sorry wasn't thinking at the time, was jsut glad to get the last medal to get the platinum trophy :p

[Scorched]

Ok, I'm on 78% on Uncharted with just a Gold and Platinum left. I guess the Platinum isn't worth as much as we originally thought... unless the EXP do not directly relate to the % values?

[Shadownet46]

Platinum = 12 points

the ratio P:G:S:B is
1:2:6:12 (which is the point values backwords)

all I need is to beat Crushing to get platinum.....
....
...
*cries in corner*

BTW, I updated the first post, makes it look more professional....

[Endryc]

This should be stickyed, at least it should be bumped up to the top. Thanks again for the info Shadow.

[AJe]

I've added Buzz to the first post and it fits the same pattern

[PsychoMantis]

Is it true that if your HDD dies you lose your trophies for good and have to redo the games to get them back?

[AJe]

As long as you sync your trophies (by going to your trophy collection) you shouldn't lose any

[turkmen117]

Is it true that if your HDD dies you lose your trophies for good and have to redo the games to get them back?

Well...not really....
When your trophies get synchronized they get uploaded to a server that stores your trophy information.

Your trophy information get's synchronized when you press the "Trophy Collection" in the XMB, it also synchronizes when you compare your trophies with a friends.

[Stoffinator]

Is it true that if your HDD dies you lose your trophies for good and have to redo the games to get them back?

No. Noting like this is tied to your HDD. They are saved on a server tied to your account name.

[AJe]

This thread shows that someone logged in as themselves on their brother's PS3 and still had access to them http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=158959

[Shadownet46]

Thanks AJe, I've been away for the past few days. I'm glad people are interested in all this. I've also decided to get all of Uncharted trophies on another account. This way I can see how many trophies are needed to level up. My numbers don't seem right and I want to double check.

[Shadownet46]

Hmmm.....I appears that level 1 to level 2 is 12.5 points....

[Boboulus]

You need more than 56 points to get to level 5. I have 60 bronze, 20 silver, 7 gold and 1 platinum and im almoust at level 5 now.

EDIT: Sorry i missunderstod the first post... you ned 56p from level 4 to 5 :)

[AJe]

I got to level 5 yesterday and I got a gold to get it (before it I had 159pts and after 165pts)

This is based on 1x platinum, 9x gold, 21x silver and 57x bronze

[Alfrayer]

Ah! Just noticed a mistake with Warhawk. Deviding by 2 rounds it off nicely but the full list of trophies included "Jet Pack" trophies which means it includes the trophies from each specific expansion pack including future which means you need tp divide by 3 - not 2...

[Shadownet46]

Is the jet pack coming in an expansion or update?

[Alfrayer]

Is the jet pack coming in an expansion or update?

Expansion, the expansion comes out 27th August - the same time as the update. But its definatly seperate.

The devlopers said 44 trophies for the core games and 4 for each expansion (12 trophies overall for expansions)

[Shadownet46]

Just looked it up, no info on a new expansion. Are you sure its an expansion (i.e you pay for it like Omega Dawn/Broken Mirror)?

[dishes]

Great thread. ( + rep )This is really cool and helpful information. Keep up the good work. Now we have to keep hoping that more and more "older" games get patched.

[Alfrayer]

First off, there are 56 trophies included in the Warhawk v1.5 Patch. These are broken down into a couple of categories:


There are 10 trophies based on the Warhawk's current stats/rank/awards system. Like getting all your Bronze badges, attaining a specific rank, or earning a number of medals.
There are 34 trophies that are entirely *new* rewards based on Warhawks core game and not based on our current stats, ranks or other awards.
There are then 4 trophies per booster pack that are, of course, completely new awards.
Developing 56 new trophies was a really fun part of the v1.5 production cycle...but 10 of them are based on stats and awards that you, our community may have already earned -- so that's why we made sure that those 10 trophies based on our core stats system would be paid out retroactively. Meaning, that once the v1.5 patch is released, and if you've already earned the requirements for those trophies *bling*bling*bling* Warhawk will pay them out to you!

10+34 = 44
56 - 44 = 12
12 / 4 = 3

Thats a post of the first page of the forums, on the "games" forums theres also an article where it says the new expansion but i am too lazy to find it so yea - garenteed theres 3 expansions worth in the final list they have shown.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...read.id=636957 (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=warhawk&thread.id=636957)

[Shadownet46]

10+34 = 44
56 - 44 = 12
12 / 4 = 3

Thats a post of the first page of the forums, on the "games" forums theres also an article where it says the new expansion but i am too lazy to find it so yea - garenteed theres 3 expansions worth in the final list they have shown.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/play...read.id=636957 (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=warhawk&thread.id=636957)

I have no clue what you did there....:confused::confused::confused:
I'm pretty sure jetpacks are in 1.5, not a separate expansion....they would have mentioned it already.

[Alfrayer]

Let me quote more of the post i have ALREADY posted above for some people too lazy to click the link :)

Sorry I've been MIA -- we have been just cranking on our new updates for all of you; the v1.4 Patch, the v1.5 Patch and yes...our next booster pack.

There IS a new expansion pack coming out which will include the jet packs etc. But maybe you dont wanna believe that as conclusive evidence so...
Heres even more:

Austrian website eLhabib.at have some Information about the new Warhawk Boosterpack.

The Keyfacts are:
The Name of the Boosterpack is: Warhawk: Operation Fallen Star.
It´s possible to use Jetpacks and you can also fire while you are in the air.
The name of the Jetpack is: Icarus Mk. I

The release for the new Boosterpack is expected in August.
More Information on the new Boosterpack should be available soon
http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-181472.aspx (http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-181472.aspx)

[hindahouse]

I have no clue what you did there....:confused::confused::confused:
I'm pretty sure jetpacks are in 1.5, not a separate expansion....they would have mentioned it already.

theres definately a new booster pack coming, with the jet packs included in it. Also if you look on the trophy list, theres a new map which no-ones ever heard of before
Canyon Run Silver Trophy
Using a Warhawk, shoot down an enemy Warhawk in the central gorge in Vaporfield Glacier
this is obviously the new expansion map, which will include the jetpacks

EDIT:Ah sorry it appears that people have been misleading me turns out thats for the Broken Mirror Expansion pack! still jetpacks have definately been announced for the upcoming Expansion pack

[Alfrayer]

Sarcastic gamer is wrong Hindahouse =( that map was in Operation Broken Mirror

[Shadownet46]

Gah.....ok then there WILL be an expansion...
more money I get to spend on Warhawk....yay >.<

[Shadownet46]

Well, it's been a while since I've updated this....lol

I've added my calculations for reaching level 5 and level 6. I'm not positive about them, though, and would appreciate it if someone could verify it.

I'm almost to level 7 (The EoJ update should give me enough) so I'll put those numbers down as well when I can.

I'll try to keep this bumped, and is there anything anyone would like to see in the guide?

[RapidSpark]

Almost at level 7, I see you have reached level 7. Im gonna complete Manichi Isso and start Pain/finish up on Wipeout. Any one of those should get me to 7 possibly even 8! hehe:mrgreen:

[Shadownet46]

I'm not 7 yet....playfire isn't so acurate....

[Shadownet46]

Updated with level 7 info......