Why Infinity Ward are making a big mistake...

[Jaeger]

So no doubt, you've all heard the news that Infinity Ward have no plans for trophy support (http://www.psu.com/No-trophies-planned-for-Call-of-Duty-4--a0004134-p0.php), right? I only found out this morning when checking PSU for news and stuff and I can honestly say I'm both pleasently surprised and a little disappointed with their decision. Why? Well, let's think about it.

Call of Duty 4 is, without a doubt, one of this generations finest games, on X360 and PS3. The Xbox 360 version already has achievements, though, whereas PS3 is left high and dry with only the in-game challenges for players to complete. It would have made sense for Infinity Ward to spend a week or two working on a patch to add Sony's new trophy system in the game. I feel this would have been a boost to the overall sales for CoD4, as well as PS3. It would also have gained Infinity Ward a lot of reputation amongst the Sony fanbase. However, they're not doing that and I can't understand why. As far as I know they have no titles in the works, with Treyarch covering the next Call of Duty, so why can't they just give their fans what they want and add the feature in a quick patch?

Is anyone else here annoyed that Infinity Ward are ignoring their fans and leaving trophy support out? Do you think they'll add in-game music to the game?

[carocat]

Moved it to Trophy Discussion.

[VintageElise]

Well I dont think any more people are going to buy the game because of trophies. As long as CoD5 will have them Il be happy. I somehow doubt it will though.

[AVA]

doubt it. cod4 has come and gone. its time is over.:2gun:

[se7enthsign]

I think IW was rumored to be working on a Sci-fi title. Also, they are not that big of a company so they may not be able to afford to do something for free. Sony isn't going to pay them for adding trophy support and rumble, and I doubt Sony will allow them to charge us (the users) for a patch so it's just free work. They are already working on their next title anyway. Plus, COD4 had a lot of success. I don't think trophy support is going to add that many more sales to it. For games that did not sell as well, I think it would be a good idea to get the patch in ASAP. People would probably buy LAIR and Heavenly Sword just for the trophies.

[chimam2002]

Well I dont think any more people are going to buy the game because of trophies. As long as CoD5 will have them Il be happy. I somehow doubt it will though.

think again, if trophy's got me to buy SSHD and even the pack then it will sure make ppl go out and re buy COD4 again(if they traded it in)...its a genius move by sony/the sshd dev team to split the trophys like that

[grcswoosh]

First of all it would take more than a few weeks.
And hasn't the COD rights gone to another dev team now? If this is so, I don't know if they would get anything out of it. They are most likely working on a new even better game w/ trophies that we will all love.

[Genesis-]

Who says it takes 2-3 weeks to implement trophies? You? Are you a game designer,artist or programmer?

Who says they aren't working on a new game? Game developers don't just twaddle their thumbs all day,like you would think.They're constantly thinking about the next game to make.As a matter of fact it was stated that they are working on a new sci-fi game.

Who says Call of Duty 4 needs whatever little sales trophies would bring? Last I heard,Call of Duty 4 sold nearly 10 million copies across all three platforms.

Lastly.Why must game developers pick up Sony's slag? It's Sony's fault for not implementing this particular update from the beginning.Don't blame game developers for this.

[P.S.3]

doubt it. cod4 has come and gone. its time is over.:2gun:
Exactly. If they had added trophies I may have played it a tiny bit, but not much. That game got boring.

[Jaeger]

If Call of Duty 4 really is past it, then can you explain why the game is #15 in the charts and still remains to be selling copies? It's because people love it, and always will. I know that Call of Duty 5 is under way but that doesn't mean that Infinity Ward have to stop all progress on CoD4. I mean, look at CoD1. That games been out since 2001, and people are still buying it, playing it and modding it. Why can't it be the same for CoD4?

[Zswordsman]

yeah, this was one game i really wanted trophys for. i mean COD4 is fun and alot of people still play. i mean how hard is it to make one little ICON trophy and have it in 3 colors ( plus the paltinum) for a great developer like IW. i mean all the have to do is use the 360 goals and add them to the ps3 with the little icon (trophy)

[LC77]

Now that they have announced this, how many more developers will follow suit? And why would any developer want to go back and work on yesterdays news, they won't.

Next it will be no developer can be bothered to add the music patch.

[Genesis-]

If Call of Duty 4 really is past it, then can you explain why the game is #15 in the charts and still remains to be selling copies? It's because people love it, and always will. I know that Call of Duty 5 is under way but that doesn't mean that Infinity Ward have to stop all progress on CoD4. I mean, look at CoD1. That games been out since 2001, and people are still buying it, playing it and modding it. Why can't it be the same for CoD4?
Well,being out since Nov 07,you'd think it would just drop off.It is a popular game,but that doesn't change the fact that Ifinity Ward is already at work on a NEW game.Developers have schedules to keep; this all pertains to their alloted budget.They just can't take that time away and plunge into something exclusively for the PlayStation 3,unless Sony was paying them to do so.

[kippers4brkfast]

I have COD for the 360, but I will say not adding trophies for the PS3 version is very dumb. The game is very popular, seems like an easy choice to me.

[dondidit]

Hmmmm I wonder if devs will start incorporating trophies into the games now that we have em. Maybe other devs will stop the crappy ports now I hthink they were just upset because of no trophies at all.

[Pgsley]

Ha i really doubt they really care about the PS3 side of there game , i mean they always release the patches a couple of weeks after the 360 version went live. The map pack also came a couple of weeks later, and do not say that was because of the store redesign we all know that if the store was up it still would have been late. And for goodness sakes they still havent even given us the patch to support rumble.
So i really doubt were getting in game music and trophy support.

[dondidit]

Ha i really doubt they really care about the PS3 side of there game , i mean they always release the patches a couple of weeks after the 360 version went live. The map pack also came a couple of weeks later, and do not say that was because of the store redesign we all know that if the store was up it still would have been late. And for goodness sakes they still havent even given us the patch to support rumble.
So i really doubt were getting in game music and trophy support.

I am serious when I say this my controller rumbles when I play cod4. Don't know why but it does if ya'll say they don't support rumble.

[SillyHatMafia]

Before i put my views in I just gotta say, i dont like COD4, i think its vastly overrated, and frankly i dont care to much. With that said, its stupid that they can't do a simple thing like add rumble now due to their schedule. WHAT schedule? YOu aren't even doing COD5! Your next game is most likely coming out at the end of 2009! Surely you can spend alittle time to do something like add rumble or PORT OVER 360 achievements for PS3

[BrainDamage]

Though I do wish it would have been cool to get trophy support with COD4, it doesn't surprise me that they aren't adding them. But hopefully we start seeing trophies in more upcoming games.

[Karbineftw]

I think they could have made even more money by having a trophy, for example:
Sniper an enemy from one end of creek to the other
I don't know how that would work but if you understand my point? This meaning that people would purchase the map packs to earn the trophies, thus infinity ward gaining the money from the maps. I hope infinity ward see this post :D

[Lil_Mermaid_Girl]

I was alittle surprised at 1st about this, but I just read on IGN that Insomniac won't be updating Resistance: Fall of Man and Ratchet and Clank Future to include trophes (at least not anytime soon), stating that they are focusing on making Resistance 2 a great game. You can't really blame devs for not doing this if they are working on new games. It would only be benefiting the gamers mostly and perhaps selling some extra copies. I don't know how much of an extra that would be though. At the same time it doesn't seem that it would be that hard or time consuming to have a few developers go and add the faeture and patch.

[greepoman]

With that said, its stupid that they can't do a simple thing like add rumble now due to their schedule. WHAT schedule?

I love when people say "it would be so simple to add X"...you have no idea about the software development process do you? You may technically be right in that it would be easy to add rumble to the code...but then comes testing and QA.

You have to thoroughly test anything to make sure it doesn't break the existing code. Secondly you have to program some sort of deployment of that code (i.e. a patch) and put that through testing and QA to make sure that doesn't break anything either.

So one minor change in the code can end up taking weeks...and you definitely don't want to skimp on testing...as some people with firmware 2.4 found out the hard way.

And has been pointed out it's not like developers are sitting around doing nothing...they've already moved on to the next game. Everyone is already furiously working on the next game trying to meet deadlines for that game. You can't seriously say if you were in this position you would take people off the new game development to do everything I stated above and possibly miss deadlines for the new game?

[L0ST]

I could careless about achievements and trophies.

I care about a game being awesome and fun to play.

Infinity Ward, keep doing what you do because you make awesome games.

[Harrow]

Before i put my views in I just gotta say, i dont like COD4, i think its vastly overrated, and frankly i dont care to much. With that said, its stupid that they can't do a simple thing like add rumble now due to their schedule. WHAT schedule? YOu aren't even doing COD5! Your next game is most likely coming out at the end of 2009! Surely you can spend alittle time to do something like add rumble or PORT OVER 360 achievements for PS3

So what if their next game doesn't come out until the end of 2009? It took around 3 years to make COD4. That is why it ended up one of the greatest games of this generation. You don't just get that by accident. So if they don't have time to patch COD4 so they can make their next game spectacular, then so be it.

COD4 was the type of game that shouldn't need trophies to sell. If you are so dense that you didn't know COD4 was actually fun and worth playing without trophies and won't buy it until it has them - then you don't deserve to play the game.

[TyPiKaL]

I could careless about achievements and trophies.

I care about a game being awesome and fun to play.

Infinity Ward, keep doing what you do because you make awesome games.
I agree. I have had a 360, I know what achievements/trophies are all about.

Personally, I think there ******* stupid.

I could give a **** about achievements/trophies.

[KatanaKing]

lets get over it, and stop trophy support for obsolete games. Trophys are for future games....and not to replay games over again to obtain trophys.

[valleyshrew]

Cod4's single player was a fantastic cinematic experience, trophies getting unlocked would've ruined the atmosphere imo. A couple of weeks of work could be hundreds of thousands of pounds to them, it's not worth it.

[PS3|MSE]

doubt it. cod4 has come and gone. its time is over.:2gun:

I beg to differ.

It's survived GTA online, it's survived MGO and is surviving BF online. It's still going very strong, especially in the Australian clan community it still easily ranks as the top online game.

[ChildOfIllusions]

Who says it takes 2-3 weeks to implement trophies? You? Are you a game designer,artist or programmer?

Who says they aren't working on a new game? Game developers don't just twaddle their thumbs all day,like you would think.They're constantly thinking about the next game to make.As a matter of fact it was stated that they are working on a new sci-fi game.

Who says Call of Duty 4 needs whatever little sales trophies would bring? Last I heard,Call of Duty 4 sold nearly 10 million copies across all three platforms.

Lastly.Why must game developers pick up Sony's slag? It's Sony's fault for not implementing this particular update from the beginning.Don't blame game developers for this.

Is it really worth playing the blame game and pointing fingers? cant people be happy that we got the update. Personally as long as all games in the future support trophies as a standard then i don't mind. Sony is not in the game of forcing a dev to do anything . Its not like like the 360 where if you don't play ball there way then your game doesn't make it to there system.
In no way am i saying that's a bad thing its nice to have standards. But this system is new to the ps3 so it like the 360's system needs time to evolve . Achievements were not perfect from day one i don't expect trophies to be any different.


I beg to differ.

It's survived GTA online, it's survived MGO and is surviving BF online. It's still going very strong, especially in the Australian clan community it still easily ranks as the top online game.

Why compare third rate online experiences such as BF and GTA to that of COD and MGO, It does not make for a good argument. The only thing that will take any attention away from COD4 is COD5, And perhaps socom but after that launches good luck for any other online game on the ps3. Perhaps LBP will be able to compete with socom but not much else.

[Evoking1230]

in a way im a little upset that IW and other devs will not be providing trophy support for previously release games but at the same time...its kinda good because I really dont want to play over my games again...I usually play them once to the extent as much as possible and then trade them in

[bruiser07]

yea, I pretty much expect that no one but sony will take the time to go back and patch old games. trophies in cod would have been great -> give you a reason to replay the game. as for "it's time is over," i seriously doubt that. it's still the number 1 online game on ps3 and xbox360 and from the looks for the cod5 trailer, they are making a mistake returning to world war II. i doubt that game will be as addictive as cod4, especially since infinity isn't making it.

[SyckoSy]

Personally I think its a major mistake for most of the dev's not to put trophy supports in place. think of the potential replay and purchase factor of certain 'older' games to pick up trophys! Especially for games that didn't set the world ablaze with inital reviews and sales figures! Imagine how many people might pick up Lair if they thought they could get 30-40 trophys! Brilliant for the developers and surely not a huge task to do!

[KernelPanic]

I'd be willing to bet it's more Activision's decision not Infinity Ward (as they control the money).

IW may want to do it, but if Activision won't allocate the resources ....

[MrG]

I'm not that bothered personally about Infinity Ward not providing trophies. I didn't even get around to finishing the single player until I was level 55 online, and I still didn't really like it then. I'm more concerned about Rockstar and DICE providing patches, but I'd still like Infinity Ward (along with every other dev!) to make the effort just as a sign of good faith to PS3 owners.

[Roman007]

I could care less about the number of awards/trophies I have or get, not a big deal to me.

[Quicksandgm]

all games that come out after 2.4FW are going to have trophys, SONY never said trophys were going to be made for older games, sony brang it out for the FUTURE games, if devs want to implement it in older games then they can...but who says they will, we shouldn't expect it from them as they've moved on to newer and better things....and so should you!

By the end of this year NO ONE will be saying "why doesn't _____ have trophys" ...games with trophys will become natural that no one will ask question about those kind of things...only to move on to *********ing about some other stupid feature they need to be able to enjoy playing video games or else all video games suck...idiots*

[greepoman]

all games that come out after 2.4FW are going to have trophys, SONY never said trophys were going to be made for older games, sony brang it out for the FUTURE games, if devs want to implement it in older games then they can...but who says they will, we shouldn't expect it from them as they've moved on to newer and better things....and so should you!

By the end of this year NO ONE will be saying "why doesn't _____ have trophys" ...games with trophys will become natural that no one will ask question about those kind of things...only to move on to *********ing about some other stupid feature they need to be able to enjoy playing video games or else all video games suck...idiots*

Actually you might not want to say that just yet because the interview I read (don't have the link atm, I'll look) said that trophies won't be mandatory until December.

Basically it makes sense though...Sony doesn't want to delay the release of any holiday games by making it mandatory until after the big holiday releases.

[TheGreatDane17]

I agree but... They are likely too busy working on... Oh no wait, they aren't listed to be working on anything. What the hell? Get to work you bums.

[jaewest304]

So what if their next game doesn't come out until the end of 2009? It took around 3 years to make COD4. That is why it ended up one of the greatest games of this generation. You don't just get that by accident. So if they don't have time to patch COD4 so they can make their next game spectacular, then so be it.

COD4 was the type of game that shouldn't need trophies to sell. If you are so dense that you didn't know COD4 was actually fun and worth playing without trophies and won't buy it until it has them - then you don't deserve to play the game.

CoD4 is NOT all that. MGS4 GTA IV are SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER. Hell Resistance is even better than CoD4. I have CoD4 and I like it. It is a DECENT game, but there are soooo many games out that are much better. More story mode depth better multiplayer modes. You have a right to think w/e you want, but lets get IW's d*** outta your mouth and chill with all the SUPER FANBOY s*** you're talkin. What exactly makes this game great? It does not have anything at all on MGS4....that game is great! I know people like to hear them self talk but you should have thought before you spoke.

[Harrow]

CoD4 is NOT all that. MGS4 GTA IV are SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER. Hell Resistance is even better than CoD4. I have CoD4 and I like it. It is a DECENT game, but there are soooo many games out that are much better. More story mode depth better multiplayer modes. You have a right to think w/e you want, but lets get IW's d*** outta your mouth and chill with all the SUPER FANBOY s*** you're talkin. What exactly makes this game great? It does not have anything at all on MGS4....that game is great! I know people like to hear them self talk but you should have thought before you spoke.

I should have thought before I spoke? COD4 was game of the year. It is one of the highest reviewed games in history. How many of those other games you mentioned other then MGS4 got higher reviews? What are YOU talking about?

You practically joined the forums yesterday and you're trying to act like you know something.

Noob.

[TheGreatDane17]

I should have thought before I spoke? COD4 was game of the year. It is one of the highest reviewed games in history. How many of those other games you mentioned other then MGS4 got higher reviews? What are YOU talking about?

You practically joined the forums yesterday and you're trying to act like you know something.

Noob.

Commenting on someones join date and calling them a noob? Real mature. :rolleyes:

[Bitbydeath]

I beg to differ.

It's survived GTA online, it's survived MGO and is surviving BF online. It's still going very strong, especially in the Australian clan community it still easily ranks as the top online game.

Top online game... after Warhawk :snicker

Warhawk is still King in my books :-P

[Harrow]

Commenting on someones join date and calling them a noob? Real mature. :rolleyes:

Did you even read what he wrote to me, and you're taking HIS side? Unbelieveable. He wrote take IW's what out of my what? Does anyone bother to read anything other then the first or last post in a thread?

[TheGreatDane17]

Did you even read what he wrote to me, and you're taking HIS side? Unbelieveable. He wrote take IW's what out of my what? Does anyone bother to read anything other then the first or last post in a thread?

I'm not taking either of your side. Its just his opinion. No need to get on the offensive about it, especially on an online forum :heart:

[jaewest304]

I should have thought before I spoke? COD4 was game of the year. It is one of the highest reviewed games in history. How many of those other games you mentioned other then MGS4 got higher reviews? What are YOU talking about?

You practically joined the forums yesterday and you're trying to act like you know something.

Noob.


LOL....noob....:sleep: Okay now that you got that out of your system. My point is simply this, you attacked Sillyhatmafia for posting their opinion and with NO reason at all. As for game of the year comment...SO WHAT. Im sure that as far as sales go MGS has most likely ALREADY out sold CoD4 and it has only been out for what 2 months. Awards don't mean anything. Bum a** actors win oscars all the time too and s***** movies get rave reviews. As I said CoD is decent, but it is not the Holy Grail of video games man. I bet if I posted a poll about the best games you would find that GTA, MGS, Warhawk and possibly even SSHD would finish way above CoD4. You had no reason at all to act like you did man, calling Sillyhatmafia dense?!?!?! You basically just straight out told them they were stupid, and for what? Because they aren't a IW fanboy? Thats why I had to say what I said, and also the fact that its true. Also, are you implying that because you joined a forum before me that some how this makes your knowledge greater than mine? That is a pretty self important statement you are making. Do your self a favor and just think before you post. It isn't a personal thing. I just thought you shouldn't do that and no one say anything about it so I did.

[nas2344]

yeah i really didn't understand this decision either! and they could have added custom music support for ps3 owners as well!

[greepoman]

Im sure that as far as sales go MGS has most likely ALREADY out sold CoD4 and it has only been out for what 2 months.

I'm guessing you're talking about ps3 only because COD4 just hit 10 million total in June ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9959146-52.html?tag=nefd.top )...there's absolutely no possibility that MGS4 has sold that many. MGS4 will have good sales, just not spectacular like the biggest sellers. Gran Turismo (the full game, not the prologue) and Final Fantasy have always been bigger sellers for the playstation brand and I think that trend will continue.

[Harrow]

LOL....noob....:sleep: Okay now that you got that out of your system. My point is simply this, you attacked Sillyhatmafia for posting their opinion and with NO reason at all. As for game of the year comment...SO WHAT. Im sure that as far as sales go MGS has most likely ALREADY out sold CoD4 and it has only been out for what 2 months. Awards don't mean anything. Bum a** actors win oscars all the time too and s***** movies get rave reviews. As I said CoD is decent, but it is not the Holy Grail of video games man. I bet if I posted a poll about the best games you would find that GTA, MGS, Warhawk and possibly even SSHD would finish way above CoD4. You had no reason at all to act like you did man, calling Sillyhatmafia dense?!?!?! You basically just straight out told them they were stupid, and for what? Because they aren't a IW fanboy? Thats why I had to say what I said, and also the fact that its true. Also, are you implying that because you joined a forum before me that some how this makes your knowledge greater than mine? That is a pretty self important statement you are making. Do your self a favor and just think before you post. It isn't a personal thing. I just thought you shouldn't do that and no one say anything about it so I did.

I didn't mean to imply that Sillyhatmafia was dense, it was a separate paragraph and a general statement. He has played the game, so I thought it was obvious I wasn't referring directly to him. But I could see how you would think that, and I now understand why you posted what you did to me. So I should have been more clear and if I insulted Sillyhatemafia then I apologize.

But as far as what your saying about COD4 you're way off. GTA4 wasn't so great, it was more hype then anything else.

I bet if you post that poll, you'll find out you're wrong just like you've been wrong about everything else in this thread.

[jaewest304]

I'm guessing you're talking about ps3 only because COD4 just hit 10 million total in June ( http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-9959146-52.html?tag=nefd.top )...there's absolutely no possibility that MGS4 has sold that many. MGS4 will have good sales, just not spectacular like the biggest sellers. Gran Turismo (the full game, not the prologue) and Final Fantasy have always been bigger sellers for the playstation brand and I think that trend will continue.


Yes I am only speaking about PS3 sales as this is a PS3 discusion thread. I know CoD has sold a massive amount (on duel consoles) but like I said before I know of a s*** load of movies that are blockbusters and make big money....OH, and suck! Im not saying CoD sucks, Im saying it isn't GODS GIFT TO GAMING. What is soooo cutting edge about this game? Name me one thing. My point is this, reviews and sales don't always mean that something is great.

[Metfanant]

I can honestly say I'm both pleasently surprised and a little disappointed with their decision.


that is a pretty contradictory statement if i've ever heard one....

i don't really care honestly....i've said before it just shows me that IW is past CoD4 and are no longer really supporting it....they are working on their next game and so be it...its no biggie really...now if their NEXT game does not support rumble and or trophies then we have something to complain about...

[jaewest304]

I didn't mean to imply that Sillyhatmafia was dense, it was a separate paragraph and a general statement. He has played the game, so I thought it was obvious I wasn't referring directly to him. But I could see how you would think that, and I now understand why you posted what you did to me. So I should have been more clear and if I insulted Sillyhatemafia then I apologize.

But as far as what your saying about COD4 you're way off. GTA4 wasn't so great, it was more hype then anything else.

I bet if you post that poll, you'll find out you're wrong just like you've been wrong about everything else in this thread.


Hey Seeksjustice, it's all good. You love CoD and thats cool. I think it's at best a decent game. When I compare it to other games I am comparing the overall gameplay. The other games I mentioned have better story modes and are more difficult to complete(100% Im saying). This to me is a major part of what makes a great game. I personally like BF BC a little more than CoD. Anyway, the point is that it doesn't matter about reviews and sales because like I said before "movies and Oscars" you know what Im sayin? As for the poll, we should do it just for the hell of it. Who knows, maybe Drakes or Sonic will be the most popular game....never know. Oh, one last thing, I never claimed to be right and never said you were wrong about anything....I simply stated my opinion. I will give you this though, you do present a pretty decent argument.

[greepoman]

Yes I am only speaking about PS3 sales as this is a PS3 discusion thread. I know CoD has sold a massive amount (on duel consoles) but like I said before I know of a s*** load of movies that are blockbusters and make big money....OH, and suck! Im not saying CoD sucks, Im saying it isn't GODS GIFT TO GAMING. What is soooo cutting edge about this game? Name me one thing. My point is this, reviews and sales don't always mean that something is great.

First off, COD4 would have sold a lot more ps3 versions if it were ps3 exclusive. Also considering multi platform sales are usually 2:1 (360:PS3) that probably means there's at least 3 million ps3 copies of COD4. Even then I doubt mgs4 has hit that. Notice there are no press releases about the sales #'s like you see with other big releases.

And as for cutting edge it depends on your definition...I don't think anything on the ps3 has been that revolutionary so far...maybe LBP will be. If you're talking just graphics then it's getting to the point where it's a little subjective since so many games have excellent graphics. I actually prefer Uncharted's graphics to MGS4 because it has so much more color. Doesn't mean that MGS4 doesn't have awesome graphics...just that I prefer a different art style.

Oh and I don't even like COD4, probably because the FPS shooter is getting a little old and tired for me. But I can appreciate that while it doesn't do anything revolutionary, it does do all the standard things really well...imagine if you COD4 was your introduction to FPS shooters and multiplayer...then you might think it was gods gift to gaming.

[kudoshinchi]

So no doubt, you've all heard the news that Infinity Ward have no plans for trophy support (http://www.psu.com/No-trophies-planned-for-Call-of-Duty-4--a0004134-p0.php), right? I only found out this morning when checking PSU for news and stuff and I can honestly say I'm both pleasently surprised and a little disappointed with their decision. Why? Well, let's think about it.

Call of Duty 4 is, without a doubt, one of this generations finest games, on X360 and PS3. The Xbox 360 version already has achievements, though, whereas PS3 is left high and dry with only the in-game challenges for players to complete. It would have made sense for Infinity Ward to spend a week or two working on a patch to add Sony's new trophy system in the game. I feel this would have been a boost to the overall sales for CoD4, as well as PS3. It would also have gained Infinity Ward a lot of reputation amongst the Sony fanbase. However, they're not doing that and I can't understand why. As far as I know they have no titles in the works, with Treyarch covering the next Call of Duty, so why can't they just give their fans what they want and add the feature in a quick patch?

Is anyone else here annoyed that Infinity Ward are ignoring their fans and leaving trophy support out? Do you think they'll add in-game music to the game?

Again if you don't know anything about gaming developer, don't ever say they got nothing to do

[jaewest304]

First off, COD4 would have sold a lot more ps3 versions if it were ps3 exclusive. Also considering multi platform sales are usually 2:1 (360:PS3) that probably means there's at least 3 million ps3 copies of COD4. Even then I doubt mgs4 has hit that. Notice there are no press releases about the sales #'s like you see with other big releases.

And as for cutting edge it depends on your definition...I don't think anything on the ps3 has been that revolutionary so far...maybe LBP will be. If you're talking just graphics then it's getting to the point where it's a little subjective since so many games have excellent graphics. I actually prefer Uncharted's graphics to MGS4 because it has so much more color. Doesn't mean that MGS4 doesn't have awesome graphics...just that I prefer a different art style.

Oh and I don't even like COD4, probably because the FPS shooter is getting a little old and tired for me. But I can appreciate that while it doesn't do anything revolutionary, it does do all the standard things really well...imagine if you COD4 was your introduction to FPS shooters and multiplayer...then you might think it was gods gift to gaming.

Very good points. I gotta agree that Drakes does have excellent graphics. As for the sales thing between MGS and CoD I don't know the official total for MGS as of right now, so I'll say this (just on PS3) I am 99.9% sure MGS will out sell CoD4 in the long run no matter what. Mostly because of it's fan base and secondly because its just a better game. I think Haze is a little different take on the FPS games. Very true as well about the "cutting edge" thing. It is after all only how each person sees it. Personally for me, almost all FPS games offer the same old s*** and CoD4 did nothing to be considered above the rest. I will say Warhawk is a cutting edge game as far as the revolutionary online game play it offers. Thats the only one I can come up with off the top of my head, but then I supose its all how each person feels when it comes to discusions like that. None the less greepoman, you have made some interesting points....+rep 4 you!

[PsychoMantis]

The only trophies you would possibly get would be fore single player because with prestige mode and challenges theres no need for trophies. If they would just use the 360 achievements to make the trophies it would be easier to patch im assuming.

[SillyHatMafia]

So what if their next game doesn't come out until the end of 2009? It took around 3 years to make COD4. That is why it ended up one of the greatest games of this generation. You don't just get that by accident. So if they don't have time to patch COD4 so they can make their next game spectacular, then so be it.

COD4 was the type of game that shouldn't need trophies to sell. If you are so dense that you didn't know COD4 was actually fun and worth playing without trophies and won't buy it until it has them - then you don't deserve to play the game.

Thats the thing, the game was actually fun to you. Not to me. I didn't enjoy it.

[7lpe6]

So no doubt, you've all heard the news that Infinity Ward have no plans for trophy support (http://www.psu.com/No-trophies-planned-for-Call-of-Duty-4--a0004134-p0.php), right? I only found out this morning when checking PSU for news and stuff and I can honestly say I'm both pleasently surprised and a little disappointed with their decision. Why? Well, let's think about it.

Call of Duty 4 is, without a doubt, one of this generations finest games, on X360 and PS3. The Xbox 360 version already has achievements, though, whereas PS3 is left high and dry with only the in-game challenges for players to complete. It would have made sense for Infinity Ward to spend a week or two working on a patch to add Sony's new trophy system in the game. I feel this would have been a boost to the overall sales for CoD4, as well as PS3. It would also have gained Infinity Ward a lot of reputation amongst the Sony fanbase. However, they're not doing that and I can't understand why. As far as I know they have no titles in the works, with Treyarch covering the next Call of Duty, so why can't they just give their fans what they want and add the feature in a quick patch?

Is anyone else here annoyed that Infinity Ward are ignoring their fans and leaving trophy support out? Do you think they'll add in-game music to the game?

I'm still waiting for you to tell us what you were pleasantly surprised about.:-?

[Nuvian]

So no doubt, you've all heard the news that Infinity Ward have no plans for trophy support (http://www.psu.com/No-trophies-planned-for-Call-of-Duty-4--a0004134-p0.php), right? I only found out this morning when checking PSU for news and stuff and I can honestly say I'm both pleasently surprised and a little disappointed with their decision. Why? Well, let's think about it.

Call of Duty 4 is, without a doubt, one of this generations finest games, on X360 and PS3. The Xbox 360 version already has achievements, though, whereas PS3 is left high and dry with only the in-game challenges for players to complete. It would have made sense for Infinity Ward to spend a week or two working on a patch to add Sony's new trophy system in the game. I feel this would have been a boost to the overall sales for CoD4, as well as PS3. It would also have gained Infinity Ward a lot of reputation amongst the Sony fanbase. However, they're not doing that and I can't understand why. As far as I know they have no titles in the works, with Treyarch covering the next Call of Duty, so why can't they just give their fans what they want and add the feature in a quick patch?

Is anyone else here annoyed that Infinity Ward are ignoring their fans and leaving trophy support out? Do you think they'll add in-game music to the game?
Why is that a mistake? they want people to buy CoD5, they don't want people to keep playing CoD4 in ages to come just for the trophies.

[PsychoMantis]

Why is that a mistake? they want people to buy CoD5, they don't want people to keep playing CoD4 in ages to come just for the trophies.

I'm going to continue to play COD4 until they close the servers I have no interest in playing another WWII shooter. Although Ill still buy it if the online is weak and the single player is back to COD4 I go.

[mixpix7212]

Well,being out since Nov 07,you'd think it would just drop off.It is a popular game,but that doesn't change the fact that Ifinity Ward is already at work on a NEW game.Developers have schedules to keep; this all pertains to their alloted budget.They just can't take that time away and plunge into something exclusively for the PlayStation 3,unless Sony was paying them to do so.

sorry but i am going to disagree with this. how many games a year a pushed back and pushed back (one that comes to mind is killzone 2) so they could have taken some time out to do this and come on atleast rumble seriously folks. and now that they are talking about new game modes they couldnt have figured out how to to do trophies i mean that just proves they are still doing stuff with the game they just dont want to do this for some reason.
i atleast want rumble trophies would be cool cuz i am tired of getting a thousand headshots but oh well we cant have everything unfortunately.

[Top_Slacker]

Eh, I wouldn't be too disappointed - most of the 360 achievements are literally just for doing a level and then doing that level on the hardest difficulty mode. Seeing as the point of trophies, as I see them, is to provide replay value to a game (A la what Skill Points have done in Insomniacs games) so Trophies for CoD4 would be pointless.

[Sicarius123]

I'd rather dual shock support before trophies. The infinity ward guys are obviously ******s who don't care about the PS3 community at all. We're just a bit of extra money on the side to them.

In some ways they're worse than EA, sure EA might badly port X360 games, but at least the PS3 features are supported!

[buffalothc]

Well I dont think any more people are going to buy the game because of trophies. As long as CoD5 will have them Il be happy. I somehow doubt it will though.
I totally agree. Screw Infinity Ward. While it was one of the best games out last year, COD4 also had one of the worst online experience. I'll be fine as long as Treyarch learns from Infinity Wards's stupid mistakes.

[Alfrayer]

Alot of flaming on here O:)
Anyway - Infinity Ward pathcing COD4 would be a nice addition but i aint fussed. The true dedication is seen through games such as Uncharted and Burnout. I have already started replaying them - Burnout because the awards are being ported to trophies and so i technically am already earning trophies and Uncharted because i am so bad at it - still on chapter 3 without a clue where to go - i dont like the game personally but LOVE the game as a game =D

[Niteskye]

For them, it's a win win situation really it seems. Those who want to gain achievements from the game will buy it on Xbox and those who don't own an Xbox will buy it on PS3 regardless of whether it supports the trophy function or not. I agree though that they should give the fans what they want. PS3's trophy system is already way behind Gamerpoints and it could definitely use a little help from the games developers if you ask me. It's a shame, but I doubt they'll change their minds :(

[no1kevlin]

way to go bringing a thread back from the dead niteskye! :)

I think it's safe to say that having sold millions of copies IW don't need to trophy patch cod4 to try and drum up sales. Tbh I'm pretty sure that most trophy hound impulse purchases would be likely to be inexpensive psn games rather than £40 bd games.

[Rhysivich]

I'm fine with this. This has led me to create the firm decision that I will trade COD4 in for COD5, saving me a massive £30. (Friend works in Game, gets me mroe value for trade in games and charges me less for games. Woo.)

In any case, COD5 WAW has trophies, so they'll keep me occupied for the time being, so again I'm not too fussed. I'm not too sure I could return to COD4 though, as after 4 days of online play time, it sure as hell gets boring.