Upset about non-retroactive trophies?

[JamesP]

Is anyone upset about trophies that aren't retroactive? I mean seriously, who wants to go start over in PAIN and collect some of those trophies again? Some of those are just damn near impossible it seems doing it the first time, so why should people who have had the system and games for a couple of years that have set many accomplishments have to go back and start over just for the sake of keeping a "level playing field" as I have read in some other forums? Lets see some thoughts...

[Edeuinu]

Poll answers are not really that fair with the question though. It's a matter of being fair for everyone. Saved game sharing is to easy and that's really why they're doing it.

[rycexboi]

Poll answers are not really that fair with the question though. It's a matter of being fair for everyone. Saved game sharing is to easy and that's really why they're doing it.

Didn't they say something about saved games are already locked onto psn, so they wouldn't be able to share it?

We'll..Im kind of upset because I've took alot of times finishing all the games ive ever played, and kept all my saved files waiting for the trophies feature to come..

[Origin]

Not really. It would have been nice, but it's not that big of a deal to me. We've gotten in the habit of always looking at the negative when we should be focusing on the positives of 2.4. I'm just glad it's finally been added.

[dricks2080]

Didn't they say something about saved games are already locked onto psn, so they wouldn't be able to share it?

We'll..Im kind of upset because I've took alot of times finishing all the games ive ever played, and kept all my saved files waiting for the trophies feature to come..

Then play them again! That's the whole idea behind this gamerscore gimick in the first place... besides, it's a good idea for it not to be retroactive, so people won't be bragging that they played this so many games and that they spent all this time playing... wow... sounds like those people who are score addicts need to go outside and play and meet real people for crying out loud... :)

[TH3 GAM3]

No it shouldn't be retroactive. Sony is right, you could copy save data files so that would be cheat.

[dnut24]

I think it's completly deleted .If this was early in release when they're wasn't many games cool. But I've sold most of my old games, and not going to spend hours going through a game again, when there's tons of new and better games out now. So yes it's unfair to people.

I know it's early already, so not gonna complain until things have time to work out, but so far, not very impressed bout the update. Still pales in comparison to achievements at this point. hopefully that will change soon.

Please refrain from using that word in that context ~daevv

[dnut24]

No it shouldn't be retroactive. Sony is right, you could copy save data files so that would be cheat.

buuutttt.. youre game save shold have your PSn attached to it. So even if someone has the game save on their PS3, it would'nt have their PSN, therefore not unlocking them. Sounds simple to me, maybe too simple... :mad:

[Edeuinu]

To be smart about it, they should have released some sort of patch early that transferred everyone's saves to PSN without telling why, or even saying what the update was about, kind of do it "behind the scenes".

That way, when everyone's updated and whatnot, they roll it out.

After typing that I'm wondering why I don't work at some of these places.

[FdMstng99]

I really don't care, I'm just happy that we have trophies now. ;)

[PaulMartin1967]

Does PAIN currently have trophies or does it need patched?

[JamesP]

I think it's completly deleted. If this was early in release when they're wasn't many games cool. But I've sold most of my old games, and not going to spend hours going through a game again, when there's tons of new and better games out now. So yes it's unfair to people.

I know it's early already, so not gonna complain until things have time to work out, but so far, not very impressed bout the update. Still pales in comparison to achievements at this point. hopefully that will change soon.

This was my main reason for starting this post. Games that I own now such as MGS4 I won't mind playing over and over but some of the older ones that were great the first time or two I sold, and now I have to buy them back and play through them again to earn something that I technically have already earned. I'm gonna be honest though I wasn't really too concerned with the whole trophy thing in 2.4. I mainly wanted the XMB and messaging features. This is just a little annoyance that I've seen and was wondering what others thought about it...

[FdMstng99]

Does PAIN currently have trophies or does it need patched?

Yes PAIN currently has trophies. ;)

[ZeroBlitz]

buuutttt.. youre game save shold have your PSn attached to it. So even if someone has the game save on their PS3, it would'nt have their PSN, therefore not unlocking them. Sounds simple to me, maybe too simple... :mad:


I agree... though this would exclude people who didn't make a PSN and used false save files. So, each save file should record the ID of the PS3 it was started on (assuming they have one. all computers do, don't they?).

There's no way I'm playing Assassin's Creed again just to get some trophies...

[dnut24]

I agree... though this would exclude people who didn't make a PSN and used false save files. So, each save file should record the ID of the PS3 it was started on (assuming they have one. all computers do, don't they?).

There's no way I'm playing Assassin's Creed again just to get some trophies...


Exactly! and if you copied someones, and never logged onto PSN, then it wouldn't have the tag. So once you log on it would see its not your PSN and not give credit. You'd still have the game save and be able to use the features to maybe later unlock things under your PSN. But these things have to be tagged and in my opinion it's BS.

I'm an achievement ***** and will become a bigger trophy *****, but not replaying old games.

[dnut24]

Yes PAIN currently has trophies. ;)

yes, but where? I updated it this morning, and nothing.

[leukoplast]

It would have been nice if they were, because who knows what kind of non-repeatable things I have accomplished in games that I may never be able to do again.

But since everybody has to do it over again as well, its not too bad.

[FdMstng99]

yes, but where? I updated it this morning, and nothing.


Here is a website that list of games thats supports trophies.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/30/sony-lists-first-trophy-supported-ps3-games/

[dnut24]

Here is a website that list of games thats supports trophies.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/30/sony-lists-first-trophy-supported-ps3-games/


right, I was talking bout where are the trophies in the game? I got the update, looked at my trophy room, in the game and still had all my unlockables, but under my trophy section on XMB was nothing.

[Nuvian]

Is anyone upset about trophies that aren't retroactive? I mean seriously, who wants to go start over in PAIN and collect some of those trophies again? Some of those are just damn near impossible it seems doing it the first time, so why should people who have had the system and games for a couple of years that have set many accomplishments have to go back and start over just for the sake of keeping a "level playing field" as I have read in some other forums? Lets see some thoughts...
If this was not the case, everyone could download a 100% completed save game BEFORE the firmware update and just get max trophies without any time put, stop whining and enjoy the new stuff added to the PS3.

[FdMstng99]

right, I was talking bout where are the trophies in the game? I got the update, looked at my trophy room, in the game and still had all my unlockables, but under my trophy section on XMB was nothing.


Not sure, haven't downloaded the update yet. Stuck at work for the next 6 hours and reading these forums is just making it worse.

Sorry I can't be of any more help.

[dnut24]

haha no problem, I tried it 1st thing this morning and long update but nothing. Although I thought it was cool I went from MGS4 to PAIN via XMB with one click of a button!

[madhi19]

Half of my games will not get patched anyway I have no hope for the Orange Box and Oblivion it would be cool to get both features on both but lets face it Bethesda moved on a long time ago and we all know what EA think about The Orange Box! GTA4 and MGS4 those are the one that I want patched and soon!

[rbrtchng]

I think attaching PSN or hardware ID to game saves are flawed. What if my PS3 broke and I got a new hardware with new ID, but I backed up my game saves elsewhere? What if I made a new PSN account for my brother but he doesn't want to restart the games because he finished all the games on my old PSN account?

What if I JUST WANT TO SAVE SHARE?

[dnut24]

I think attaching PSN or hardware ID to game saves are flawed. What if my PS3 broke and I got a new hardware with new ID, but I backed up my game saves elsewhere? What if I made a new PSN account for my brother but he doesn't want to restart the games because he finished all the games on my old PSN account?

What if I JUST WANT TO SAVE SHARE?

thats why it should and will be ttached to the PSN ID. Just like xbox live ID. I can log on my friends 360, get achievements and go back to my xbox and it still be there. Not that complicated. Now if you're not logged on, then yea you won't get the achievement unless you're on your own machine that has your ID on it.

[ocmwpsycho-93]

im not to fussed
its a good opportunity to relive those gaming genius moments!

[Tha_Legend]

Assuming the perspective of someone who got their PS3 after everyone else, it's unfair. This is based on "If I have to do it, everyone else should have to do it even if they already did".

There are things that can't be repeated. Some of you who can't wait to replay a game have never played through it more than once.

[nightcrawler]

If the trophy system wont count my uncharted file save i will be very MAD cause i found many treasures and im not willing to play the game again....

[dnut24]

Assuming the perspective of someone who got their PS3 after everyone else, it's unfair. This is based on "If I have to do it, everyone else should have to do it even if they already did".

There are things that can't be repeated. Some of you who can't wait to replay a game have never played through it more than once.

I know it seems like I keep having answers for everything, but to the effect of what you say, it's not different then people buying new 360's. They buy a 360 and have no points while people have thousands of points. It's unfair to them too right? Basically you can't make everyone happy, I say it just needs to be fair.

[rycexboi]

Assuming the perspective of someone who got their PS3 after everyone else, it's unfair. This is based on "If I have to do it, everyone else should have to do it even if they already did".

There are things that can't be repeated. Some of you who can't wait to replay a game have never played through it more than once.

If you were to say that, mines as well say it's unfair for future ps3 owners too

[Harrow]

I think attaching PSN or hardware ID to game saves are flawed. What if my PS3 broke and I got a new hardware with new ID, but I backed up my game saves elsewhere? What if I made a new PSN account for my brother but he doesn't want to restart the games because he finished all the games on my old PSN account?

What if I JUST WANT TO SAVE SHARE?

Exacly. People who just want their trophies haven't thought this through.

The point is the way Sony is doing this is probably the only fair way to do it. What good would the system be if people could cheat, or if it stopped us from game save sharing?

And for those of you who sold your games back, that is what you get.

[Gwizzy]

If they could keep people from sharing files... then yes...

I know I have played and beaten LOTS of games that I rented from Gamefly... I kept the save files on my HDD because.... well I have room... and also in case I would get credit for it... now I'll have to re-rent and re-beat all those games as they get added to the trophy system. UGH....

[XperienZ]

I'm pretty sad that trophies are being seen as a way to show off an epeen and nothing much else... I think it's brilliant that there is a way to let people know how good a gamer you are with a quick check of a friends profile, it'll probably be a good way to get people to talk about games more too - "Wow, you got that, how do you do it?"...

But I still think the whole point of them is to get a little life out of a game you've played a long time ago and actually getting you playing it again when maybe you wouldn't have. I still have many PS1 and PS2 games I go back and play even without trophies so I could be missing the point with the whole "I'm better than you" mentality, still...

I just think the main reason I'm sad about this is that even while people are getting the features added they've been asking for, there still seems to always be some reason to be ungrateful. If the main purpose of introducing trophies isn't to get people to have fun playing old games over again, but just so people can gloat then I wish Sony hadn't have bothered.

[Purist]

I only have a handful of games, so Trophies going forward will not be a big problem. I still haven't bought Uncharted, or Warhawk, and have only played a bit of SuperStarDust, but that's going to change tonight. Plus, Burnout Paradise's trophies are going to be retroactive, so that solves a lot.

[HighPs3]

Trophy system will never be accurate. So its really pointless.. Ive already beat SSD so my level and trophies will never reflect this due to me not replaying. Sorry but that game isnt exactly easy to just pick up and breeze through again. Nor is it good enough for me to even want to replay it.

Some games support it; some dont. Its just a flat out mess with no real point.


Trophies are like playing the first half of a football game without score then in the second half you start keeping score. No matter how you try and justify it you really dont know who the true winner is.

[ToonAssassin]

if you want the trophies that much then you will do the jobs again, just be grateful that we now have trophies at all, Sony didn't HAVE to do add it to the FW did they !

[richkaos]

In a way i think its a good thing that you have to go back and play again, for instance im going to dust off unchartered and play it again, so thanks to Sony for breathing some life into my old games.

This is one good reason why i never trade games in, that and the fact that the stingy retailers may as well offer you a bag of peanuts for it even though you gave them £40 for it 4 weeks ago. I refuse to let them make profit twice!

[SillyHatMafia]

Sony is doing it so people can't cheat and get away with trophies. I got so annoyed At this one Motorstorm event that i downloaded a game save to get passed it. I shouldn't get any trophies for that. This way, anyone can STILL download game saves, and those of us who don't want to cheat can get trophies regulra ways. Its no big deal now because soon all games coming out will have to support trophies. Just wait for some games to get patched, than choose which ones to play again.

[triggap]

I haven't really played a lot of games on the ps3 seeing as I just got mine about two months ago but I will be somewhat upset if my Big Boss Emblem in mgs4 doesn't count for anything. I admit, I downloaded a save file in my frustration (at not getting through a certain point in the run) but I hadn't even loaded the thing when I just felt wrong about it. I did eventually get the emblem and felt more satisfied than I expected.
While I doubt it's impossible to put in a system to scan saves to check if it was made in the same ps3, that it was made by that person from the ground up, I do think it's impossible to make the system fool proof. Punishing people who have had the system and have been playing the games since their releases is a bit unfair.
I think what developers should look at is an honor system. Like an agreement you sign into stating that you got your trophy legitimately and have some sort of punishment should it be proven that you downloaded a save or did a hack or whatever.. A lot of things in life relies on a person's word so I don't see why it can't be done in this situation..

[BabeBro]

I'm not bothered by this at all. I actually think it will make everything fair. I'm ready to play Uncharted again once they release their trophy patch! Warhawk is coming soon also.

I have 7 trophies so far in SSHD and I'm still blown away by the potential I see in this firmware upgrade. I own about 25 to 26 games. That's not including downloadable titles. I'm pretty sure most of them won't get patched, but whatever does get a patch will fall victim to my trophy snatching, LOL!

I love this idea/concept/firmware update! To be honest, I don't see how as developers they wouldn't want to release patches for their games, it increases their replay value by a lot. For example, I'm sure yesterday's firmware release pulled plenty of Super Stardust HD purchases because people on my PSN list that didn't have it, got it. Non-Retroactive Trophies FTW!!!!

[Bakudannar]

What can you do? Games that are not ID locked will allow anyone to download game saves to boost their trophy collection and rank. Sure there might be a handful of people who might figure out ways to cheat the system, but it at least makes it harder so it doesn't become rampant.

I don't save share and have no problem with people who do it, but don't expect to get credit for it, that's all.

[T-Dogg400]

Voted No, cause the should allow to keep all of your achievments in the game whether your playing GTA IV again for 100%, they should allow to keep your stuff.

[godlovesugly05]

Time to call Drebin lol

geddit? :( never mind

[Tha_Legend]

If you were to say that, mines as well say it's unfair for future ps3 owners too

I'm not sure what you mean but to clarify my previous post I mean that making everyone replay to get trophies is unfair.

[knowledge4lfe]

To be smart about it, they should have released some sort of patch early that transferred everyone's saves to PSN without telling why, or even saying what the update was about, kind of do it "behind the scenes".

That way, when everyone's updated and whatnot, they roll it out.

After typing that I'm wondering why I don't work at some of these places.


never thought of that. absolutely brialliant. +++++ rep for you.

[Harrow]

I haven't really played a lot of games on the ps3 seeing as I just got mine about two months ago but I will be somewhat upset if my Big Boss Emblem in mgs4 doesn't count for anything. I admit, I downloaded a save file in my frustration (at not getting through a certain point in the run) but I hadn't even loaded the thing when I just felt wrong about it. I did eventually get the emblem and felt more satisfied than I expected.
While I doubt it's impossible to put in a system to scan saves to check if it was made in the same ps3, that it was made by that person from the ground up, I do think it's impossible to make the system fool proof. Punishing people who have had the system and have been playing the games since their releases is a bit unfair.
I think what developers should look at is an honor system. Like an agreement you sign into stating that you got your trophy legitimately and have some sort of punishment should it be proven that you downloaded a save or did a hack or whatever.. A lot of things in life relies on a person's word so I don't see why it can't be done in this situation..

Honor system? That is hilarious. Everyone would be level fifty in no time. They wouldn't investigate to find out who cheated, they don't have the time or resources for it.

Have you ever played Socom, or any online game and looked at the leaderboards for rank. Cheating in order to rank up is all too common, because so many have NO honor.

The system would be totally worthless if they let game saves count. There is a reason Achievments don't work that way you know.

Just suck it up and play the games again people. God forbid you get more value out of those games by replaying them huh.

It is like people just want their trophies so bad they forget how the system is great for replay value.

[mixpix7212]

i really dont mind it not being retroactive because i like all the games i play and dont mind starting it. the only game i wasupset about was burnout becuase that takes a long ***** time to get all the liscences but that is retro so i am. the only other game would be gta 4 but i dont really care about trophies on that i just like the story thats why i play it

[jamespurs1303]

online stats should bring trophies as you cant use saved data for online

[JamesP]

i really dont mind it not being retroactive because i like all the games i play and dont mind starting it. the only game i wasupset about was burnout becuase that takes a long ***** time to get all the liscences but that is retro so i am. the only other game would be gta 4 but i dont really care about trophies on that i just like the story thats why i play it

GTA is going to be one big pain in the *** getting all the pigeons and stunt jumps all over again...I'm gonna go crazy just thinking about that.

[Lil_Mermaid_Girl]

It's not about being a fair start for everyone, it's about preventing less than honest people who would get game saves from friends, or even online and transfer them to their ps3 via a SD card. Not only would that of let people get trophies that they didn't earn, but also could of made it so people could get trophies of games they don't even own/haven't played by copying game saves.

People did that in Resistance to get the skill points and extra online skins. I'm glad Sony found a way to prevent this.

I;m just waiting to play most games until they're patched.

[Dennis0430]

I'm fine with it not being retro-active. I'm not sure how the trophies work with respect to your psn and everything so I won't comment about save files but I'm just glad trophies are here.

Nobody is forcing you to play your old games again. I vowed never to play Assassin's Creed again but if it got patched with trophies, I might give it another go. If I do, then it's done it's job by giving the game more replay value.

Would you rather your old games not be patched up for a trophy system at all?

[JamesP]

I'm fine with it not being retro-active. I'm not sure how the trophies work with respect to your psn and everything so I won't comment about save files but I'm just glad trophies are here.

Nobody is forcing you to play your old games again. I vowed never to play Assassin's Creed again but if it got patched with trophies, I might give it another go. If I do, then it's done it's job by giving the game more replay value.

Would you rather your old games not be patched up for a trophy system at all?

I guess looking at it that way I agree with you. I feel the same way about Assassin's Creed too. I never even finished it the first time it got so dull.

[cheeseisgood]

Does this mean that if say Resistance fall of man got a patch that wasnt retroactive i'd have to restart my 'Hard' game and complete it or could i just carry on to get that skill point and therefore trophy from my half way through save?

i think sony should work out some way of making them retroactive with some sort of copy protection, im serious a lot of people will get a 360 if they arent retroactive

*Edit* Sony should put something in their next update that transfers save data to PSN like with burnout, that way they'll know if people copy other peoples saves :)