HDMI cables???

[ctfireman]

Do they improve only blue ray movies or games too?

[ozzyzak]

They improve both. And the difference is huge. You'll see ;)

[kyle613]

what is the difference between hdmi and component cables
i have em both but i dont know what the idfference is

[seebs]

what is the difference between hdmi and component cables
i have em both but i dont know what the idfference is

HDMI is pure digital, and can display every pixel on a 1080p display exactly -- you get the same exact bits on the TV that the console sent.

Component is analog, and usually won't handle 1080p at all. Even on lower resolutions, though, it is an analog signal, so you may see a little fluctuation in the values sent; if the console sends #cccccc grey, the TV might get #cacdcc or something similar; not MUCH different, but it's not guaranteed to be the same.

[Fd Mendoza]

HDMI all the way man! its way better than component.
Most HD tvs come with at least 2 HDMIs now.
(Mine has 3!!!!!!!! WTF?):-D

[jaewest304]

Gotta go with HDMI. Also look into the fiber optical component as well...improves sound a lot

[Switch]

HDMI is pure digital, and can display every pixel on a 1080p display exactly -- you get the same exact bits on the TV that the console sent.

Component is analog, and usually won't handle 1080p at all. Even on lower resolutions, though, it is an analog signal, so you may see a little fluctuation in the values sent; if the console sends #cccccc grey, the TV might get #cacdcc or something similar; not MUCH different, but it's not guaranteed to be the same.

Component does 1080p just fine, with no issues for games. However, you can't get 1080p over component with HD movies on BR because of the digital restrictions.


Gotta go with HDMI. Also look into the fiber optical component as well...improves sound a lot

No need for optical for sound with HDMI having sound built in, and digital.

[imperator_mundi]

What about long HDMI cables (10m/33ft)?

I've a cable with a bandwidth of 5gb/s (that I'm using with my Popcorn Hour) but the PS3 refuses to output anything beyond 576p (if when using shorter cables 1080p is not an issue).

On the Learnign Center of Monster Cable http://www.monstercable.com/hdmi/HDMI_Cable_Information.asp it is said that the PS3 needs a bandwidth of 6.68Gb (which explains why my old cable isn't working).

The problem is that I couldn't find the bandwidth value in the specifications of cables longer than 3m. They just tell you that they support 1080p, they're hdmi 1.3b compliant, and so on.

Now the question is what do I need:
- is 1080p the parameters?
- is it 1.3b compliance?

thnx and ciao

[CCourtney]

10m is very tough to get 1080p to pass w/o a very high end cable. Basically you switching the signal (putting higher switching frequency) through the cable and the 'eye' needs to stay open enough such that during a specific window of time there is enough difference in voltage level between the two line levels (this is differential signaling) such that they can guarantee to be detected. The more signal drop (weakening of the signal) you have, the smaller the eye becomes (less difference in the voltage levels) and you are not getting the data through. The faster the switching the smaller the window becomes.

So to pass 1080p over long distance you have to have very good cable w/ low signal drop.

Do you know what gage wire is being used, and where you got the cable? You'd probably need to get one w/ at least 22awg wire to pass it. 35' 24awg ones ended up failing during testing of the monoprice cables.

If you go monoprice get the HDMI Silver-Plated Copper CL2 Rated (For In-Wall Installation) Cable (22AWG) - 35ft (Gold Plated Connectors) which is $72 but that's cheaper than paying $230 for something that's basically the equivalent.

BTW, 1.3b is just a compliance testing - 1.3b means it's complaint w/ 1.3a capabilites (it was stupid that they called a complaince to meet an existing standard a new standard name.) Basically, if it passes your 1080p signal, you're good as the cables are built using the same wires for all signals (they don't build the cable w/ different quality of wires for video and audio.) And the audio (including the lossless compressed HD audio) is significantly lower data rate than the video and hence will pass easily.

TAZ427

[Guindalf]

Ignoring the spam above, a recommendation for monoprice.com for cables. They're a fraction of the price you would pay in Best Buy or Circuit City - or even Wally World.

[StudioDweller]

+1 on the monoprice.com recommendation. Great cables and they practically give them away. You won't notice any difference in picture quality and they cost about a tenth of what they charge for the overpriced Monster cables. Seriously, you can get a perfectly good HDMI cable with gold plated connectors for well under $10. They tend to ship quickly too.

I would recommend not getting the really heavy gauge cables. Sometimes the extra weight can make the cable want to pull out or put unnecessary strain on the PS3. i have one of them, but I also have 3 or 4 of the lighter 28 gauge cables which work perfectly fine as well so I see no benefit to getting the heavier gauge.

[CCourtney]

+1 on the monoprice.com recommendation. Great cables and they practically give them away. You won't notice any difference in picture quality and they cost about a tenth of what they charge for the overpriced Monster cables. Seriously, you can get a perfectly good HDMI cable with gold plated connectors for well under $10. They tend to ship quickly too.

I would recommend not getting the really heavy gauge cables. Sometimes the extra weight can make the cable want to pull out or put unnecessary strain on the PS3. i have one of them, but I also have 3 or 4 of the lighter 28 gauge cables which work perfectly fine as well so I see no benefit to getting the heavier gauge.

Please bare in mind that the person that revived this thread 'imperator_mundi' is talking about 35' runs. You won't find anyone that even sells a 35' run using 28awg cables.

Personally, I use 5 3' 28awg cables from monoprice. But they are 3' and don't have the signal drop in them.

TAZ427

[stodge]

What would you recommend for an in-wall cable, about 16ft?

[CCourtney]

What would you recommend for an in-wall cable, about 16ft?

Measure twice, Order once ;-) The shorter the better, but if you're too short it's no good either.

Either the 15' or 20' 24awg CL2 HDMI cable ~$20 at monoprice

TAZ427

[imperator_mundi]

Eventually I got an Atlona 10M (33ft) Flat Hdmi cable http://www.atlona.com/10M-33FT-ATLONA-FLAT-HDMI-CABLE-WHITE-COLOR-p-16719.html and it works fine. I ended up paying about 150$ for it (including VAT and shipping) so I wouldn't define it cheap but long cables rarely are (and I needed it to be white).

The cable is declared to be 24AWG even though being it flat I don't know if the measure will apply.

[Fap_Cat]

Do they improve only blue ray movies or games too?
The improvement will be barely visible if you have a 720p/1080i tv but it will be vastly noticeable if you have a 1080 p tv.

[Gotmilk]

The improvement will be barely visible if you have a 720p/1080i tv but it will be vastly noticeable if you have a 1080 p tv.


did you join the forum to spread fud

[Fap_Cat]

did you join the forum to spread fud
Well if he means compared to the RGB/scart cables that come in the box then it will be a vast improvement either way, but if he already has component cables them im right.

[Sony Pizza]

Eventually I got an Atlona 10M (33ft) Flat Hdmi cable http://www.atlona.com/10M-33FT-ATLONA-FLAT-HDMI-CABLE-WHITE-COLOR-p-16719.html and it works fine. I ended up paying about 150$ for it (including VAT and shipping) so I wouldn't define it cheap but long cables rarely are (and I needed it to be white).

The cable is declared to be 24AWG even though being it flat I don't know if the measure will apply.
You wasted $150. You should have went for the cheap ones on monoprice. There is really no difference in the $100 when subjected to comparison of the $15 ones.

[Fap_Cat]

You wasted $150. You should have went for the cheap ones on monoprice. There is really no difference in the $100 when subjected to comparison of the $15 ones.
Well it's digital so the pic would be the same either way though if the cable is too long the pic won't be as good as with a shorter cable, depends on a person if they notice it or not. I have a cheap one for 10eu and it works fine.

[CCourtney]

You wasted $150. You should have went for the cheap ones on monoprice. There is really no difference in the $100 when subjected to comparison of the $15 ones.

Go back and read, he's talking about a 10m cable. The cheap ones are not that cheap. Monoprice 10m cable's that will handle 1080p will cost you $70+. The Monster Cable 10m HDMI cables run $400.

TAZ427

[cheezus19946]

they improve everything in quality; but not by much

[davidxx]

I didn't mean to post in here, but it won't let me start a new thread, says I need 25 post.

First of all, I apologize for hijack or post here, I'm new to this forum, but I've had my PS3 for 2 years now. Originally I had my PS3 connected to my 51" SONY HDTV (supported 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i) using HDMI (from my PS3) to DVI (input back of my TV). But after reading and searching a lot from the internet, I found that Component can produced as great video as HDMI too, so here I am trying the new Component cable by Monster.

Anyways, why can't I change from HDMI & DVI to Component cable now? I've just purchased a new Monster Game component VideoStereoAudio exclusively for the PS3 from Target and I tried to hook it up, all I can hear is the audio, but I can't see any picture? Once I went back to my old set-up HDMI to DVI (my TV) everything is there, I can see the PS3 station/net/setting and audio.

I've tried to change the setting via Display Setting from HDMI to Component and nothing happened, my screen goes blank and back to normal, but it won't change at all.

Please I really need help. Thanks in advanced.

[Aluminate]

Anyways, why can't I change from HDMI & DVI to Component cable now? I've just purchased a new Monster Game component VideoStereoAudio exclusively for the PS3 from Target and I tried to hook it up, all I can hear is the audio, but I can't see any picture? Once I went back to my old set-up HDMI to DVI (my TV) everything is there, I can see the PS3 station/net/setting and audio. While the PS3 is on standby, press and hold the power on button till you hear a second beep. You should get a display set up screen, with the input detected automatically.

[Bansh88]

I helped my boss setup his PS3. I saw first hand the change from component to HDMI. HUGE! You notice immediately just from the XMB. Text alone gets about 10x clearer

[WaspMonkey]

There isn't a huge leap from component to HDMI...now composite to HDMI...is WOW!. If you have component and an optical cable you are 99% fine. For that extra boost in fidelity and audio go HDMI and get an HDMI receiver.

[CCourtney]

I didn't mean to post in here, but it won't let me start a new thread, says I need 25 post.

First of all, I apologize for hijack or post here, I'm new to this forum, but I've had my PS3 for 2 years now. Originally I had my PS3 connected to my 51" SONY HDTV (supported 1080i, 720p, 480p and 480i) using HDMI (from my PS3) to DVI (input back of my TV). But after reading and searching a lot from the internet, I found that Component can produced as great video as HDMI too, so here I am trying the new Component cable by Monster.

Anyways, why can't I change from HDMI & DVI to Component cable now? I've just purchased a new Monster Game component VideoStereoAudio exclusively for the PS3 from Target and I tried to hook it up, all I can hear is the audio, but I can't see any picture? Once I went back to my old set-up HDMI to DVI (my TV) everything is there, I can see the PS3 station/net/setting and audio.

I've tried to change the setting via Display Setting from HDMI to Component and nothing happened, my screen goes blank and back to normal, but it won't change at all.

Please I really need help. Thanks in advanced.

My question would be, why would you pay out the rear for a Monster Component Video cable, when you can spend $4 at Monoprice.com and get an HDMI cable, which gives the full digital video stream to the TV (instead of feeding an analog stream via component.) While there may be little improvement going from Component to HDMI, there is improvement. So you would spend more money and take a step backwards? That makes no sense.

TAZ427