What Exactly is IRAN's Leader up to? Death wish or Tactic?

[Dorfdad]

It seems like weekly now at least that there is some kind of story about IRANS leader Ahmadinejad saying something about the US or Isreal.

Todays story is "Ahmadinejad Calls U.S. 'Satanic,' Israel 'About to Die'"


"I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361705,00.html#)), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene," Ahmadinejad said.

"Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started," the hard-line president said.

The White House (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361705,00.html#) immediately dismissed Ahmadinejad's latest attack on Israel and accused him of "total disregard" for the Iranian people's needs and beliefs.

The Iranian president is a devotee of the Mahdi, who Shiites believe disappeared more than a thousand years ago and will return to bring a new era of peace and harmony, the AFP reported.

Ahmadinejad has been forecasting the disappearance of Israel since taking office in 2005.



Either IRAN is playing a very dangerous game or he's trying to become the next Hitler and have the entire world powers line up against him and crush his nation.

Im starting to believe Ahmadinejad seems to be banking on the fact that the United States is currently engaged and focused on IRAQ, and actually starting to accomplish some things there and IRANS influnce in that region might be able to be removed from IRAQ and a Pro Democracy might just start taking HOLD on IRANS door steps.

He may be trying to provote the United States to actually attack IRAN to fuel his political motives and enrage the Arab community around his cause.

Either that or he's on par with Bush in the mental capacity and about to turn IRAN into a third world country for the next 20 years...

Hes constant threats are becoming more and more vicious and the IEA as well as the US and other countires are worried that they are trying to get Nuclear weapons to force their political willpower on other nations in the area.

I will stand fast to this fact that should that day come and I pray ever night that it will never come to this, but if someone detonates some type of Nuclear device in Isreal that the enitre World Community will have no choice but to UNITE and destroy that nation for good.

if Iran is banking on the world community backing them in genocide they are mistaken. I do not care who the President of the United States is at that time they will aggressively counter attack and in a BIG WAY whomever is responsible for this. Some say it will be the start of World War 3 and cood possible be our doomsday scenario, and while I do not think that will happen I do see a possible war eruppting in the Middle East over it, with the US, Russia, China, Germany and other major powers having to communicate and bring this to an end once and for all..

What do you think his true intentions are? Lunicay or Just?

[roadkill]

He was talking about the Israeli Government. Not Israel. Iran is a threat to nobody. The USA/Israel is a threat to Iran. They are gearing up to attack Iran, and cause radioactive catastrophe. American embassys will be burned to the ground. The American army in Iraq will be surrounded, then you'll be drafted and have to put your money where your mouth is and fight Iranian militia.

Get a grip on reality. ASAP.

[ShaneEire]

entire world powers line up against him and crush his nation.


I highly doubt China or Russia care what he says about the US or Isreal, in fact anyone thats not from the US or Isreal doesnt care what he says. As the above poster stated, Iran are under more pressure from US bullying then vice versa. And why can he not say what he wants? isnt there some freedom of speech act americans never shut up about?

Let him say what he wants, who cares?
He has a right to hate Isreal if he so wishes.

And the next hitler? how the FUDGE did you come to that comparison lol.

[Dorfdad]

He was talking about the Israeli Government. Not Israel. Iran is a threat to nobody. The USA/Israel is a threat to Iran. They are gearing up to attack Iran, and cause radioactive catastrophe. American embassys will be burned to the ground. The American army in Iraq will be surrounded, then you'll be drafted and have to put your money where your mouth is and fight Iranian militia.

Get a grip on reality. ASAP.

You sir need to remove your *** hat as soon as possible... First off I served already in the Military for 4 years suring the first gulf war so Ive put my money where my mouth was how about you?

Secondly no one said the United States was without lame for some of the problems were not GODS were humans and we have made some horrible mistakes that have cause innocent people to die and thats wrong, but what also is wrong is nations that sit on their collective *** and expect us to do the dirty work for them..

Without America you seem to think this world would be a better place? I highly doubt it..

Iran does not need Nuclear weapons, in fact I believe and wish All nations would not have them, but sadly that is not the case. So We need to prevent MORE from getting them.

If Isreal feels they are going to be attacked or are they have the right to defend themselves and if Iran is bombed than its just in my eyes.. I hate the fact that it would happen but if they can not act like intelligent people and work it out diplomatically than they should be removed from the world power circuit. That goes for the US as well.. We need to show better communication skills and I hope for us all we do that shortly here...

[Dorfdad]

I highly doubt China or Russia care what he says about the US or Isreal, in fact anyone thats not from the US or Isreal doesnt care what he says. As the above poster stated, Iran are under more pressure from US bullying then vice versa. And why can he not say what he wants? isnt there some freedom of speech act americans never shut up about?

Let him say what he wants, who cares?
He has a right to hate Isreal if he so wishes.

And the next hitler? how the FUDGE did you come to that comparison lol.


man some uneducated people on here, He himself said he wants to WIPE ISreal off the MAP do you not know what Hilter was reposnisible for? He wants them gone from the human race if thats not Hitler Like Im not sure what it is...

Or are you one of those who thinks it was some scam..

IRAN does not need nukes sorry!

[ShaneEire]

but what also is wrong is nations that sit on their collective *** and expect us to do the dirty work for them..

I don't remember anyone asking yous to do any dirty work, The US does what it does for itself and its own gain so please stop ranting on.

Iran does not need Nuclear weapons, in fact I believe and wish All nations would not have them, but sadly that is not the case. So We need to prevent MORE from getting them.

Last I checked the country with the biggest nuclear stockpile and the only country to use nukes on another nation is ..... you guessed it.



And I dont think the holocaust was a scam lol, Im well aware what happened and think hitler was pure scum, but I dont remember Hitler wanting to wipe Isreal out, the fact it wasnt in existance then might help, A country was forged by western superpowers in the late 40s in a arab majority region of asia, it has arms,supplies and military funding from the US so it can influence the area surrounding it, why wouldnt he want that country gone?

[roadkill]

The ironic thing is that Iran is likely to be attacked before Autumn/Winter by both Israel and the USA. They'll attack Irans nuclear facilities, causing not one - but multiple Chernobyls in the region. And who knows where the fallout will reach? Additionally, Iran facilities are so entrenched beneath reenforced Earth/concrete, that tactical nukes are the only way to split them open.

Yet these guys haven't got a word to say about that. And thats just one of the repurcussions. Genetic defects for hundreds of years, worse than the genetic defects they've left in Iraq (Which they're also quiet about). Or how about genetic defects in Pakistan? Nobody knows where that fallout will go. Then tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers in Iraq being the victims of revenge. Oil not passing the straits of Hormuz, which will hit us all hard. Suicide bombers (at least 80,000) of them hitting innocent civilians in the U.S. and beyond.

You have all of these repurcussions, not least the threat of WWIII, and these brainwashed fools are obsessing over a deliberate (and yet another) misquote...

Sad and disturbing.

You sir need to remove your *** hat as soon as possible... First off I served already in the Military for 4 years suring the first gulf war so Ive put my money where my mouth was how about you?

What does this have to do with anything?

Secondly no one said the United States was without lame for some of the problems were not GODS were humans and we have made some horrible mistakes that have cause innocent people to die and thats wrong, but what also is wrong is nations that sit on their collective *** and expect us to do the dirty work for them.

Please. What dirty work? Invading Iraq wasn't a 'dirty job that needed to be done'. We're disgusted by you.

Without America you seem to think this world would be a better place? I highly doubt it.

Where did I say that?

Iran does not need Nuclear weapons, in fact I believe and wish All nations would not have them, but sadly that is not the case. So We need to prevent MORE from getting them.

Then be a good example, decommision your own. You ought to be the first to do it, nobody attacks more Countries than America. Thus, the rest of us in the sane World want you to do it before anyone.

If Isreal feels they are going to be attacked or are they have the right to defend themselves and if Iran is bombed than its just in my eyes.. I hate the fact that it would happen but if they can not act like intelligent people and work it out diplomatically than they should be removed from the world power circuit. That goes for the US as well.. We need to show better communication skills and I hope for us all we do that shortly here...

Dear God.

man some uneducated people on here, He himself said he wants to WIPE ISreal off the MAP do you not know what Hilter was reposnisible for? He wants them gone from the human race if thats not Hitler Like Im not sure what it is...

No he didn't. That was a proven misquote long, long ago.

IRAN does not need nukes sorry!

Iran does need nukes - its the only way to stop America attacking them. Look at North Korea.

[One-Shot]

He was talking about the Israeli Government. Not Israel. Iran is a threat to nobody. The USA/Israel is a threat to Iran. They are gearing up to attack Iran, and cause radioactive catastrophe. American embassys will be burned to the ground. The American army in Iraq will be surrounded, then you'll be drafted and have to put your money where your mouth is and fight Iranian militia.

Get a grip on reality. ASAP.
lmao wow your ignorance just blew my mind. The U.S. is not going to attack Iran anytime soon if at all, unless something really big happens. Israel while it is possible, I still kind of doubt they would anytime soon.

To say Iran is not a threat is very, very, naive. If they reach nuclear capabilities they can use it themselves or more likely give it to terrorists to use in Israel, the U.S., or anyone else.

Thanks for the laugh, would read again.

[roadkill]

Its disturbing - although revealing, that non-Americans know more about what their military is up to that Americans themselves:

lmao wow your ignorance just blew my mind. The U.S. is not going to attack Iran anytime soon if at all, unless something really big happens.

Take a look at what where your carriers are. Have a listen to what your leaders are saying. Spare the rest of us the aggravation of $400 a barrell. We're sick of this.

To say Iran is not a threat is very, very, naive. If they reach nuclear capabilities they can use it themselves or more likely give it to terrorists to use in Israel, the U.S., or anyone else.

Iran is a peaceful Nation. Its ironic that you're calling me naive. Did you sleepwalk through 2002? Iraq? WMD? Lies? Quagmire? Death? Inflation? DUH?!

[JoNJoN]

I don't remember anyone asking yous to do any dirty work, The US does what it does for itself and its own gain so please stop ranting on.

Ignoring the countless billions we waste on little countries like yours. Also ignoring the countless times we the FIRST country on the scene when an earthquake, tsunami, etc. happens.



Last I checked the country with the biggest nuclear stockpile and the only country to use nukes on another nation is ..... you guessed it.

Your right, we shouldn't have responded to Pearl Harbor.



And I dont think the holocaust was a scam lol, Im well aware what happened and think hitler was pure scum, but I dont remember Hitler wanting to wipe Isreal out, the fact it wasnt in existance then might help, A country was forged by western superpowers in the late 40s in a arab majority region of asia, it has arms,supplies and military funding from the US so it can influence the area surrounding it, why wouldnt he want that country gone?

Shows your sense of history, how could Hitler wipe out a country that didn't exist?

Its disturbing - although revealing, that non-Americans know more about what their military is up to that Americans themselves:

I believe everything I see and read on the internet too....:suspect:

Take a look at what where your carriers are. Have a listen to what your leaders are saying. Spare the rest of us the aggravation of $400 a barrell. We're sick of this.

The price of oil is a demand/supply and dumb politicians issue, it has nothing to do with where our carriers are. If you don't like it, then stand up and tell your country to do something about it. DRILL!!!

Iran is a peaceful Nation. Its ironic that you're calling me naive. Did you sleepwalk through 2002? Iraq? WMD? Lies? Quagmire? Death? Inflation? DUH?!

So peaceful that most weapons in Iraq used by human waste called "freedom fighters" is from Iran. So peaceful that Hezbollah exists basically because of Iranian money. So peaceful that its daily we hear the Israel is dead comments. So peaceful that we constantly see military marches like its a holiday (seriously, who does that anymore?), so peaceful that he wants to bring about the next apocalypse.

Google "12th Imam" and learn...

[One-Shot]

Its disturbing - although revealing, that non-Americans know more about what their military is up to that Americans themselves:



Take a look at what where your carriers are. Have a listen to what your leaders are saying. Spare the rest of us the aggravation of $400 a barrell. We're sick of this.



Iran is a peaceful Nation. Its ironic that you're calling me naive. Did you sleepwalk through 2002? Iraq? WMD? Lies? Quagmire? Death? Inflation? DUH?!
Didnt you crazies have the exact same prediction of iran being attacked last year? Yeah that turned out correct.....

the US cant attack iran, we do not have the man power or support to do such a thing.

Iran is a peaceful Nation. Its ironic that you're calling me naive. Did you sleepwalk through 2002? Iraq? WMD? Lies? Quagmire? Death? Inflation? DUH?!

You seriously think ahmadinejad is a peaceful man? I suppose Saddam was a saint in your book too. Pointing to the bad intel on wmds in Iraq does not successful deflect you from having to address the threat Iran is.

[roadkill]

The price of oil is a demand/supply and dumb politicians issue, it has nothing to do with where our carriers are. If you don't like it, then stand up and tell your country to do something about it. DRILL!!!

When you attack Iran, the price of oil will double, triple even. Please go and learn something about geo-politics before entering adult discussions.



So peaceful that most weapons in Iraq used by human waste called "freedom fighters" is from Iran.

Only an idiot would fall for this one. Iran doesn't supply their mortal enemies with weapons, training, nor anything else. The Militia aligned with Iran in Iraq haven't been at war with the USA for 3 years.

So peaceful that Hezbollah exists basically because of Iranian money.

And?

So peaceful that its daily we hear the Israel is dead comments

Let me interupt your attempted FDR-esque speech here, by offering some more reality. Contrary to your claim that we're hearing this daily, we've actually heard it twice in two years. Both times he was deliberately misquoted..

So peaceful that we constantly see military marches like its a holiday (seriously, who does that anymore?), so peaceful that he wants to bring about the next apocalypse.

Russia did that when you threatened them. Now Irans doing it when you're threatenning them. No big deal. At least they're not invading other Countries.

Tell me, how many Countries has Iran invaded in the past 6 years? America is the threat to Wolrd Peace. Good thing the American Empire is about to implode.

Didnt you crazies have the exact same prediction of iran being attacked last year? Yeah that turned out correct.....

People were awaiting the invasion of Iraq right throughout the 90's, by America. It finally came in 2003. Wait, when I say 'people', I mean non-Americans. Americans have no clue about what their Government is at. Hence your brainwashed stance on Iran.

the US cant attack iran, we do not have the man power or support to do such a thing.

Germany didn't have the resources to see through its attack on the USSR. What happened there?

You seriously think ahmadinejad is a peaceful man? I suppose Saddam was a saint in your book too.

Ahmadinejad certainly hasn't sanctioned the invasion of 2 Countries in his term, nor wavered torture etc. Take a look at your own leader! lol, what gaul!

Pointing to the bad intel on wmds in Iraq does not successful deflect you from having to address the threat Iran is.

First of all, lol @ bad intel.

Second of all, you're buying the 'WMD' farce once again, even without scepticism. It just proves you're totally, hopelessly naive.

[ShaneEire]

Ignoring the countless billions we waste on little countries like yours.

You dont spend or give anything to my 'little country'
What the US does do is land Military jets in shannon airport which our goverment asked to be under UN human rights standards, the US of course obligied. Then about 12 months later it was found out that the planes held and transported captives and tortured prisoners of war.

The last time your great and generous country(insert sarcasm) gave us anything was the marshall plan. and then it was a joke compared to what the other european countries got.

And if calling my country litte is suppose to offend me it doesnt im afraid, Im glad to be insignificant. There are none of my countrymen overseas dying for something that has nothing to do with them, We dont live in fear of arab 'terroists' and I dont think we are in direct threat from anyone, I think its called karma.


Shows your sense of history, how could Hitler wipe out a country that didn't exist?

Read it again spaz. I was being ironic as the original thread poster said he was like Hitler trying to wipe Isreal out. Please read posts twice before replying.

[One-Shot]

Only an idiot would fall for this one. Iran doesn't supply their mortal enemies with weapons, training, nor anything else. The Militia aligned with Iran in Iraq haven't been at war with the USA for 3 years.
It is a fact iran is helping the chaos in iraq. Maybe on ihateamericaforfakereasons.com it isnt, but in reality they are.





Let me interupt your attempted FDR-esque speech here, by offering some more reality. Contrary to your claim that we're hearing this daily, we've actually heard it twice in two years. Both times he was deliberately misquoted..
Perhaps you can put this back in context and put it right by showing us how he does not mind Israels existence.




Tell me, how many Countries has Iran invaded in the past 6 years? America is the threat to Wolrd Peace. Good thing the American Empire is about to implode.
lol at american empire, you funny guy.


People were awaiting the invasion of Iraq right throughout the 90's, by America. It finally came in 2003. Wait, when I say 'people', I mean non-Americans. Americans have no clue about what their Government is at. Hence your brainwashed stance on Iran.
Wow thanks ill take your word on it.......

Germany didn't have the resources to see through its attack on the USSR. What happened there?
Call me crazy but I believe this is a little bit more of a different situation, and by little I mean big.


Ahmadinejad certainly hasn't sanctioned the invasion of 2 Countries in his term, nor wavered torture etc. Take a look at your own leader! lol, what gaul!
Of course not since he did not have terrorists attack his country and them being based in Afghanistan.

Also I dont consider a little water on someones face torture or two times extensive.



Second of all, you're buying the 'WMD' farce once again, even without scepticism. It just proves you're totally, hopelessly naive.
Ahmadinejad is quite open about his program but no its not at the stage where we would go to war over it and hopefully it doesnt.

[sonyfan6]

Recall that roadkill does not just defend Ahmadinejad, but defends Hitler as well. Keep that in mind when responding to his posts.

As far as what Ahmadinejad is up to, one needs to realize that he, and similar leaders, use anti-Israel anger as a scapegoat to ignore their own problems. Ahmadinejad has taken it to another level by saying that he is okay with destroying Israel even if the trade-off is that Iran is also destroyed because "there are many Muslim countries and only one Jewish" while actively seeking nukes.

[roadkill]

It is a fact iran is helping the chaos in iraq. Maybe on ihateamericaforfakereasons.com it isnt, but in reality they are.

Then give me your proof and I'll disect it. You do have proof, don't you? Or are you on read-only mode here?

Perhaps you can put this back in context and put it right by showing us how he does not mind Israels existence.

Who said he has a problem with Israel, as opposed to the Israeli Government?

lol at american empire, you funny guy.

Man, you live in a bubble.

Wow thanks ill take your word on it.......

Nice rebuttal. The fact remains, Iran is about to be attacked. By your Country, we're about to see several Chernobyls, and all you can do is joke. Is it any wonder why America is hated, when they turn this into a joke?

Call me crazy but I believe this is a little bit more of a different situation, and by little I mean big.

Explain in detail how so.

Of course not since he did not have terrorists attack his country and them being based in Afghanistan.

1) Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

2) Your Country sponsered, and sponsers terrorist attacks within Iran. You have no place to talk.

3) Your Country sponsered and trained Afghan 'terrorists' in the 1980's. You have no place to talk.

Ahmadinejad is quite open about his program but no its not at the stage where we would go to war over it and hopefully it doesnt.

1) There isn't a weapons programme to be quiet about. You'd think you wouldn't fall for the same lie twice - but there you go, unbelievable naivety.

2) It is at the stage where you'll go to war over it. And the reason that this is so is because of said naivety. Getting your *** shot at on the Iranian border after your drafted may introduce you to what the rest of us know as the 'real World'.

Also I dont consider a little water on someones face torture or two times extensive.

Shocking comment. Not just for its ignorance either.



As far as what Ahmadinejad is up to, one needs to realize that he, and similar leaders, use anti-Israel anger as a scapegoat to ignore their own problems. Ahmadinejad has taken it to another level by saying that he is okay with destroying Israel even if the trade-off is that Iran is also destroyed because "there are many Muslim countries and only one Jewish" while actively seeking nukes.

Now, offer proof for this allegation.

[ShaneEire]

Recall that roadkill does not just defend Ahmadinejad, but defends Hitler as well. Keep that in mind when responding to his posts.

In other words 'lets please all flame him for not having same views as us'

grow up man.

[roadkill]

In other words 'lets please all flame him for not having same views as us'

grow up man.

Some people are experts at playing others off against each other.

[sonyfan6]

In other words 'lets please all flame him for not having same views as us'

grow up man.

I didn't flame him. I just pointed out that he has, on these forums, defended Hitler. That's a somewhat significant piece of information for people who are engaging in a conversation regarding whether or not Ahmadinejad intends to kill Jews.

[roadkill]

I didn't flame him. I just pointed out that he has, on these forums, defended Hitler. That's a somewhat significant piece of information for people who are engaging in a conversation regarding whether or not Ahmadinejad intends to kill Jews.

Has Ahmadinejad stated that he intends to kill jews? If he has, do you lack proof for this allegation also? You also claimed that I asserted that jews were responsible for 9/11, when I did not. I asked you for proof of that allegation, and you could not offer it.

[sonyfan6]

Has Ahmadinejad stated that he intends to kill jews? If he has, do you lack proof for this allegation also? You also claimed that I asserted that jews were responsible for 9/11, when I did not. I asked you for proof of that allegation, and you could not offer it.

Sorry roadkill, but ever since I proved you to be a liar in your holocaust denial thread you have zero credibility on these issues. I'm more than content to remind people that you are a neo-nazi and a liar. There's no real point discussing these things with you beyond that. You can whine all you want but it really doesn't amount to a whole lot. You've said some real hardcore hateful filth on these forums and that puts your credibility at nothing. I see no reason digging through old threads to find quotes from you. Nor, do I feel any need to argue semantics with you over whether a man who on a nearly daily basis threatens to nuke Israel intends to kill Jews.

[roadkill]

I await Sonyfans proof on the allegations of:

a) Ahmedinejad desires the destruction of all of Israel

b) Ahmedinejad desires the murder of jews

c) I claimed jews responsible for 9/11


Sorry roadkill, but ever since I proved you to be a liar in your holocaust denial thread you have zero credibility on these issues.

You were destroyed in that thread. 13 Months later, I am awaiting responses to questions in that thread. Instead of answering them, you copied/pasted the same text for several pages.

You've said some real hardcore hateful filth on these forums and that puts your credibility at nothing.

As opposed to your weekly anti-Arab racism?

I see no reason digging through old threads to find quotes from you. Nor, do I feel any need to argue semantics with you over whether a man who on a nearly daily basis threatens to nuke Israel intends to kill Jews.

He threatens to do it only a daily basis now? Offer proof, my closet racist friend. Put up or shut up.

[sonyfan6]

This is just too funny. A neo-nazi defending his integrity by calling others a racist. :)

[roadkill]

This is just too funny. A neo-nazi defending his integrity by calling others a racist. :)

I'm not a neo-nazi. Still awaiting proof for your claims. Although I'll probably be waiting a while, I've been waiting 13 Months for answers to those questions you found too difficult in that other thread...

[SymphonyX]

Cool a neo nazi? I never met one. Hi im symphonyX.

[DayWalker]

When Iran does nuke Israel...

Roadkill will probably blame Israel for it.
"They bombed themselves to trick everyone into thinking it was Iran!!! You Americans are so stupid!!!"

[roadkill]

When Iran does nuke Israel...

You can't nuke someone without nuclear weapons.

[DayWalker]

You can't nuke someone without nuclear weapons.

it was a hypothetical situation.

keep up.

[roadkill]

it was a hypothetical situation.

keep up.

Evidently you don't understand the difference between the word if and when. People who have trouble with two and four letter words really ought to avoid attempts at condescension.

[DayWalker]

Evidently you don't understand the difference between the word if and when. People who have trouble with two and four letter words really ought to avoid attempts at condescension.

:roll:

moving on to somebody with a better grasp of reality...

If iran doesn't play nice... then by all means strike their nuke plants.
With rhetoric like this coming out of their leaders mouth, better safe than sorry.

[Vulgotha]

Ahmadinejad isn't the leader. He controls very little regarding Iran, he's mostly in charge of domestic and internal affairs and being a "Figurehead" for the country.

The man pulling all the strings is the Iranian Supreme Leader. (literally his title). His name is Ali Khamenei. Essentially he is the Shia Pope of all Islam (Sunni's don't buy into his authority).


The President (Ahmadinejad) can be dismissed at a moment's notice by the Supreme Leader.

[DayWalker]

Ahmadinejad isn't the leader. He controls very little regarding Iran, he's mostly in charge of domestic and internal affairs and being a "Figurehead" for the country.

The man pulling all the strings is the Iranian Supreme Leader. (literally his title).

Essentially he is the Shia Pope of all Islam (Sunni's don't buy into his authority).

isn't he the "commander n chief" of the military???

that was my understanding...

[sonyfan6]

Regarding roadkills attacks on me:

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=71708

I'll let people draw their own conclusions from that if they so choose.

Incidentally, for those not wanting to waste their time, roadkill stopped posting after I caught him in a big lie. He was in the process of denying the Treblinka death camp and claimed that it was a conspiracy because there should still be bodies there.

The source i provided said no such thing. It says that 75% were extracted and cremated*. 175,000 still remained in the ground (which have never been found).

When he finally revealed his source, which roadkill himself posted and highlighted the exact sentence he was using for this "proof." (He has since removed the scan so you cannot see this for yourself.) Below I have bolded the part that he highlighted:

"During the second half of July, work in the extermination area was close to termination. There were no new transports, with the exception of a group of Gypsies and a transport of Jewish prisoners from Treblinka labor camp, both of which were taken straight to the gas chambers. More than three-quarters of the burial pits in the camp had been opened, and the corpses extracted and cremated. Part of the prisoners began filling the empty pits with earth and planting trees to erase traces of the murder. The prisoners sensed that the end was very near-a matter of weeks before their work was finished...."

So when one takes just the highlighted part it says something completely different than what the author actually said. The author was giving a narrative discussing the time when the work was 3/4ths done and then goes on to begin talking about a few weeks later when the work was actually finished. This is not a reading comprehension mistake that roadkill made. It was a critical piece of a complex lie that he told. (We don't want to give him too much credit since he just stole it from a website dedicated to Holocaust denial.) Basically he argued that the Holocaust never occurred because a Holocaust denier went to Treblinka and couldn't find any bodies and according to this book there should have been 1/4 of the bodies left. Only he lied about his source because the book actually said that all the bodies were cremated. He chose to lie and try to trick people by taking a single line, discussing the time period when the work was 3/4s finished.

Interestingly, when roadkill was revealed to be a liar his defense was to call me a liar. This is not dissimilar to how when he was shown to be racist he started calling me racist.

:)

[Vulgotha]

isn't he the "commander n chief" of the military???

that was my understanding...


Perhaps, but in name only. He's a puppet.


The Supreme Leader can be dismissed by the council of experts (Muslim experts) but guess who appoints most of the members? .. Now I can't remember exactly, but I'm fairly sure he can appoint them himself (he can excersize unofficial and understood powers to get his way too, btw).

[sonyfan6]

Perhaps, but in name only. He's a puppet.


The Supreme Leader can be dismissed by the council of experts (Muslim experts) but guess who appoints most of the members?

This is very true.

It should also be pointed out though that Iran will not nuke Israel directly. They will give Hezbollah a dirty bomb and use Lebanon as a staging ground to nuke Israel by proxy. This is a big danger to Israel, as Israel is a tiny country and 3 well placed nukes could basically take out the entire country.

[DayWalker]

Regarding roadkills attacks on me:

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=71708

I'll let people draw their own conclusions from that if they so choose.

Incidentally, for those not wanting to waste their time, roadkill stopped posting after I caught him in a big lie. He was in the process of denying the Treblinka death camp and claimed that it was a conspiracy because there should still be bodies there.



When he finally revealed his source, which roadkill himself posted and highlighted the exact sentence he was using for this "proof." (He has since removed the scan so you cannot see this for yourself.) Below I have bolded the part that he highlighted:

"During the second half of July, work in the extermination area was close to termination. There were no new transports, with the exception of a group of Gypsies and a transport of Jewish prisoners from Treblinka labor camp, both of which were taken straight to the gas chambers. More than three-quarters of the burial pits in the camp had been opened, and the corpses extracted and cremated. Part of the prisoners began filling the empty pits with earth and planting trees to erase traces of the murder. The prisoners sensed that the end was very near-a matter of weeks before their work was finished...."

So when one takes just the highlighted part it says something completely different than what the author actually said. The author was giving a narrative discussing the time when the work was 3/4ths done and then goes on to begin talking about a few weeks later when the work was actually finished. This is not a reading comprehension mistake that roadkill made. It was a critical piece of a complex lie that he told. (We don't want to give him too much credit since he just stole it from a website dedicated to Holocaust denial.) Basically he argued that the Holocaust never occurred because a Holocaust denier went to Treblinka and couldn't find any bodies and according to this book there should have been 1/4 of the bodies left. Only he lied about his source because the book actually said that all the bodies were cremated. He chose to lie and try to trick people by taking a single line, discussing the time period when the work was 3/4s finished.

Interestingly, when roadkill was revealed to be a liar his defense was to call me a liar. This is not dissimilar to how when he was shown to be racist he started calling me racist.

:)

he's a very immature poster.

He insults people... makes accusations... fails to provide legitimate sources...
it's hard to have discussions with people like that... (roadkill)

[sonyfan6]

he's a very immature poster.

He insults people... makes accusations... fails to provide legitimate sources...
it's hard to have discussions with people like that... (roadkill)

He's not immature. He's actually quite clever. The entire thread is full of manipulations like that. Very careful arguments (again that he took from Holocaust denial websites) which are constructed to just ever so slightly twist the information around to support his deception.

[roadkill]

Regarding roadkills attacks on me:

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=71708

I'll let people draw their own conclusions from that if they so choose.

Incidentally, for those not wanting to waste their time, roadkill stopped posting after I caught him in a big lie. He was in the process of denying the Treblinka death camp and claimed that it was a conspiracy because there should still be bodies there.



When he finally revealed his source, which roadkill himself posted and highlighted the exact sentence he was using for this "proof." (He has since removed the scan so you cannot see this for yourself.) Below I have bolded the part that he highlighted:

"During the second half of July, work in the extermination area was close to termination. There were no new transports, with the exception of a group of Gypsies and a transport of Jewish prisoners from Treblinka labor camp, both of which were taken straight to the gas chambers. More than three-quarters of the burial pits in the camp had been opened, and the corpses extracted and cremated. Part of the prisoners began filling the empty pits with earth and planting trees to erase traces of the murder. The prisoners sensed that the end was very near-a matter of weeks before their work was finished...."

So when one takes just the highlighted part it says something completely different than what the author actually said. The author was giving a narrative discussing the time when the work was 3/4ths done and then goes on to begin talking about a few weeks later when the work was actually finished. This is not a reading comprehension mistake that roadkill made. It was a critical piece of a complex lie that he told. (We don't want to give him too much credit since he just stole it from a website dedicated to Holocaust denial.) Basically he argued that the Holocaust never occurred because a Holocaust denier went to Treblinka and couldn't find any bodies and according to this book there should have been 1/4 of the bodies left. Only he lied about his source because the book actually said that all the bodies were cremated. He chose to lie and try to trick people by taking a single line, discussing the time period when the work was 3/4s finished.

Interestingly, when roadkill was revealed to be a liar his defense was to call me a liar. This is not dissimilar to how when he was shown to be racist he started calling me racist.

:)

I'm still awaiting answers to the 20-30 questions you dodged in that topic. In your own time, Sonyfan...


he's a very immature poster.

He insults people... makes accusations... fails to provide legitimate sources...
it's hard to have discussions with people like that... (roadkill)

You know the annoying thing about you, Daywalker? You routinely take shots at me, yet everytime you don't have the balls to confront me. Put up, or stop taking pot-shots.

[MrGixxer750]

Trying to get back on point...

The Leader of Iran is a Dictator. Just like the Hollywood Elite, dictators are disconnected from reality. They don't get it because no one has the balls to tell them what reality is.

Saddam HAD weapons of mass destruction before we threw him out on his ***. That is FACT. It is also fact that he did not let us inspect his facilities as was determined to end the first war when Iraq attacked Kuwait.

Saddam got rid of the WMD before we attacked him, and made us look stupid in the process. Excellent tactic that made the US implode on itself though bi-partisan bickering and finger pointing.

Is the leader of Iran just as cunning, just as sneaky and deceptive as Saddam was?

Or is he just a disconnected, irrational, egocentric old man?

I really don't know.

P.S. Question - For the record, who was the person whom knew that Iraq did not have WMD at the time we attacked?

*Hint* Everyone else thought Saddam had them at the time we attacked.

[DayWalker]

Trying to get back on point...

The Leader of Iran is a Dictator. Just like the Hollywood Elite, dictators are disconnected from reality. They don't get it because no one has the balls to tell them what reality is.

Saddam HAD weapons of mass destruction before we threw him out on his ***. That is FACT. It is also fact that he did not let us inspect his facilities as was determined to end the first war when Iraq attacked Kuwait.

Saddam got rid of the WMD before we attacked him, and made us look stupid in the process. Excellent tactic that made the US implode on itself though bi-partisan bickering and finger pointing.

Is the leader of Iran just as cunning, just as sneaky and deceptive as Saddam was?

Or is he just a disconnected, irrational, egocentric old man?

I really don't know.

P.S. Question - For the record, who was the person whom knew that Iraq did not have WMD?

*Hint* Everyone else thought Saddam had them at the time we attacked.

France???

People act like its easy to hide or get rid of stockpiles of WMDs...

following 9/11... you better believe that we had multiple sattelites locked onto the Iraqi facilities...
if they moved them we would have known about it... done something about it.

Sure they probably had some... he did gas the Kurds afterall...
And we did give him a bunch of **** in the 80s...


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damn it back on Iraq.
sorry for going off topic.

Back to Iran.

[Vulgotha]

If Iran keeps this up, they're the ones who will be wiped off the map. And I can't say I'd feel an ounce of pity or remorse.

Though it is wrong of me to think this.



Oh Daywalker:

The Supreme Leader was the one who charged "All Iranians" to take arms and defend Iran in the Iraq-Iran War. Iraq was backed by Russia, US, and Britain and was decimating Iran- until they threw all their civilians at them.

over (I think) 100,000 died.

So, the Supreme Leader can do this. See how his Islamic power wraps around everything?

[SymphonyX]

If Iran keeps this up, they're the ones who will be wiped off the map. And I can't say I'd feel an ounce of pity or remorse.

Though it is wrong of me to think this.

If i get bombed would you feel an ounce of pity? :(

[Sventax]

They are sending like 400 more Military personnel to Afghanistan for peace keeping ?
What peacekeeping?
They are gearing up to attack Iran. They now want to increase the number of military but the Afghan government disagree and wants to put in their own defense to protect the people but the USA IS AGAINST IT!
Like last week a truck got attacked...rolled over and what do you know....THE WHOLE TRUCK WAS LOADED WITH COCAINE...ready to be transported to the USofA... It is was an US military truck with US military.


US government, Israeli government, it's the same.
It's hard to hate a person and easy to hate a system, because a system can be changed a person in it's purity can not be changed.

Every country has the right to protect her self or to use a tool to leverage. This leverage can not belong to a selected few who protect each other to reign havoc onto others. So it is not the people who they fight but a system.

@JonJon the largest distributors of weapons is still the USA!!!!!!
The largest terror state in the world (the government). The USA is stealing every were. This is what history teaches us. It started in 1492
Iran is their next victim and they will do everything in their power to bring Iran closer to a war.
They will let the oil prices explode so high that they can justify to the US citizen why they can go to war with Iran.
Like Iraq they will try to plant evidence in the hand palms of Iran.
Luckly Ahmadjin (something) is an intellectual man.

USA won't attack India, China, Russia, France,Israel, UK, N-K, and a secret country......why??? they have nukes...This is the reason why Iran need nukes to keep of terrorists and thieves of their land.

[sonyfan6]

I'm still awaiting answers to the 20-30 questions you dodged in that topic. In your own time, Sonyfan...

I can further add to the liar and racist name calling that roadkill began accusing me of dodging questions (which as anyone who looks at the thread will see I clearly did not, roadkill just didn't like the answers) as a defense for failing to acknowledge, let alone address, the vast majority of my posts.

[DayWalker]

If Iran keeps this up, they're the ones who will be wiped off the map. And I can't say I'd feel an ounce of pity or remorse.

Though it is wrong of me to think this.

see... I can't help to think of the civilians that are caught in between.

I personally think we have the ability to disable their ability to attack their neightbors using conventional warfare.

Hit em hard... but minimize the fallout (pun intended)

[Vulgotha]

If i get bombed would you feel an ounce of pity? :(


Do you live in Iran? It's difficult to explain.

I dislike that country and their apparent morals\ethic. Whether it gels with Islamic doctrine or not. It's best put this way, as heartless and inhuman as the source is, and as it sounds:

"One death is a tragedy, a million a statistic" ~ Stalin


Let me clarify: I'm not calling for genocide, when I say "Wiped off the map" I mean the government ripped apart and the officials tried\killed. Justice dispensed for such a gruesome act.

Armed conflict.


Daywalker knows what I'm saying, though he is right there would be collateral damages.

[roadkill]

If Iran keeps this up,

Keeps what up? Anti-Israeli Government rhetoric?

they're the ones who will be wiped off the map.

And who is going to do that? Certainly not the USA. You can't just nuke a Country if you please. If America 'wiped Iran off the map' tommorow, that Country would be hit with so many sanctions, they'd be driven back to the iron age.

[Vulgotha]

..If you honestly don't understand what's going on in the middle east roadkill, then shut up. I'm in no mood or state of mind to educate you.

And yes, the US would be among the first to invade if they actually made an all out nuclear attack (or otherwise) agaisnt Israel.

[SymphonyX]

They are sending like 400 more Military personel to Afghanistan for peace keeping ?
What peacekeeping?
They are gearing up to attack Iran. They now want to increase the number of military but the Afghan government disagree and wants to put in their own defense to protect the people but the USA IS AGAINST IT!
Like last week a truck got attacked...rolled over and what do you know....THE WHOLE TRUCK WAS LOADED WITH COCAINE...ready to be transported to the USofA... It is was an US military truck with US military.


US government, Israeli government, it's the same.
It's hard to hate a person and easy to hate a system, because a system can be changed a person in it's purity can not be changed.

Every country has the right to protect her self or to use a tool to leverage. This leverage can not belong to a selected few who protect each other to reign havoc onto others. So it is not the people who they fight but a system.

@JonJon the largest distributors of weapons is still the USA!!!!!!
The largest terror state in the world (the government). The USA is stealing every were. This is what history teaches us. It started in 1492
Iran is their next victim and they will do everything in their power to bring Iran closer to a war.
They will let the oil prices explode so high that they can justify to the US citizen why they can go to war with Iran.
Like Iraq they will try to plant evidence in the hand palms of Iran.
Luckly Ahmadjin(soemthing) is an intellectual man.

USA won't attack India, China, Russia, France,Israel, UK, N-K, and a secret country......why??? they have nukes...This is the reason why Iran need nukes to keep of terrorists and thieves of their land.

Err I think it was already well known that most of the recent wars in which were involved with the US have had an explosion of drugs. Heroine was almost non existent in Iraq and Afghanistan but after the US went to war it is now one of the leading countries for heroine. Same can be said about Nicaragua with the Contras.

[Sventax]

Trying to get back on point...

The Leader of Iran is a Dictator. Just like the Hollywood Elite, dictators are disconnected from reality. They don't get it because no one has the balls to tell them what reality is.

Saddam HAD weapons of mass destruction before we threw him out on his ***. That is FACT. It is also fact that he did not let us inspect his facilities as was determined to end the first war when Iraq attacked Kuwait.

Saddam got rid of the WMD before we attacked him, and made us look stupid in the process. Excellent tactic that made the US implode on itself though bi-partisan bickering and finger pointing.

Is the leader of Iran just as cunning, just as sneaky and deceptive as Saddam was?

Or is he just a disconnected, irrational, egocentric old man?

I really don't know.

P.S. Question - For the record, who was the person whom knew that Iraq did not have WMD at the time we attacked?

*Hint* Everyone else thought Saddam had them at the time we attacked.

Now reflect all of this on the USA and think threw what nonsense you are saying

P.S. Question - For the record, who was the person whom knew that Iraq did not have WMD at the time we attacked?

THE WHOLE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is the truth except for the small "mayority" who think otherwise.

[Vulgotha]

..,Sorry roadkill I didn't mean to say that so harshly to you. Disregard the first portion of that post.


Why do you immediately assume I meant nuclear retaliation? What kind of foolish thinking is that?

[DayWalker]

USA won't attack India, China, Russia, France,Israel, UK, N-K, and a secret country......why??? they have nukes...This is the reason why Iran need nukes to keep of terrorists and thieves of their land.

well that's just common sense. Invading a country with nukes is... a bad idea.

[Vulgotha]

The US wouldn't attack the above (especially China) anyways for the simple fact that we're symbiotes at this point through trade.

[sonyfan6]

see... I can't help to think of the civilians that are caught in between.

I personally think we have the ability to disable their ability to attack their neightbors using conventional warfare.

Hit em hard... but minimize the fallout (pun intended)

Attacking Iran would be an enormous mistake. The Iranian people, in particular the youth and the wealthy business men, really dislike their own government. Attacking them is the best way to get them to forgive their government's human rights violations, censorship and lack of equality. Attacking needs to be an option, but effective sanctions with rewards for stopping Uranium enrichment is the far better solution.

You can't judge the entire country by their leaders who are using hate to try to stay in power. Iran has made a lot of wonderful contributions to the world. For one thing, the Baha'i faith (a religion of peace) was founded in Iran. There are many Iranians who do not agree with their government and one needs to remember this before advocating war against that nation.

[roadkill]

..,Sorry roadkill I didn't mean to say that so harshly to you. Disregard the first portion of that post.

No problem.


Why do you immediately assume I meant nuclear retaliation? What kind of foolish thinking is that?

Well what other way of wiping a Country 'off the map' is there, if not by using atomic weapons?

[Vulgotha]

The middle class in Iran truly does dislike their cleric-dominated government. Sonyfan has a legitimate point.

On the other hand SonyFan, should the scenario that we're all discussing (Nuclear attack on Israel) we'd have to do something. The world could not sit idly by.

In this case, I agree with Daywalker.



@Roadkill: It's an expression. I did not mean nuclear warfare. I don't think anybody here believed I meant this.

[MrGixxer750]

Now reflect all of this on the USA and think threw what nonsense you are saying

P.S. Question - For the record, who was the person whom knew that Iraq did not have WMD at the time we attacked?

THE WHOLE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is the truth except for the small "mayority" who think otherwise.

I can't comprehend what you typed. I see "threw" and I was able to translate that to "through"... but I can't make out the rest.

Let me just reiterate what you just said.

"The whole world KNEW that Iraq had NO WMD right before the US attacked."

LOL !!! I refuse to discuss politics with idiots.

[sonyfan6]

The middle class in Iran truly does dislike their cleric-dominated government. Sonyfan has a legitimate point.

On the other hand SonyFan, should the scenario that we're all discussing (Nuclear attack on Israel) we'd have to do something. The world could not sit idly by.

Of course not. As people who've read some of the other political threads know, I'm a big Israel supporter. (For full disclosure I'm Jewish.)

The key to Iran is that it's currently a race against time. Do the Iranians deal with it themselves or does an external force need to step in and deal with it before the Iranian government starts supplying nuclear materials to terrorists. Sanctions that hit the Iranian business men hard will put enormous internal pressure on the government. The current sanctions are a joke though.

It's not just about Israel that's in danger either. Israel tends to be a tool that the regime uses to score cheap points. The real focus is Western civilization. Imagine the Madrid Train Bombing with dirty bombs. Scary.

[Vulgotha]

The only hope would be for the merchants to rise up and overthrow the government- like they did in the past. Problem is, the new regime has put many restraints on them to ensure that this WONT happen again.

I'm all for internal reform- but looking at Iran I don't think it'll happen soon enough my friend.

[Dorfdad]

Wow go away for a few hours and the perverbial shiet hits the fan!!

In regards to Roadkill, He has an opinion just like everyone else. His belief is that American's are the enemy fine it is what it is... The fact of the matter is these are the exact type of people we are forced to deal with and there is no getting through to them..

Your an Arab Roadkill so I expect your views are different than ours and I have a feeling there is some truth in what you speak and I feel there is truth in what we speak and the real truth is probably somewhere in-between us both...

My eairly statements about Hilter fell on def ears I suppose I meant to state that Hitler wanted the Jews to disappear and they tried to do just that.. Iran is now stating they want Isreal to disappear and all of its followers. Does this not sound like the same idiology Hitler used?

If these suitcase nukes do happen Iran and Hezzbalah had better be prepared die beacuse that is exactly what will happen. More sensly blood shed in the name of religion..

Im a Christian but I believe there are better ways to work out our problems but unless your willing to sit at the table and face the music we have no other method of recourse besides Military Pressure as many people heads are THICK..

[sonyfan6]

The only hope would be for the merchants to rise up and overthrow the government- like they did in the past. Problem is, the new regime has put many restraints on them to ensure that this WONT happen again.

I'm all for internal reform- but looking at Iran I don't think it'll happen soon enough my friend.

I should append my previous statement. If it comes down to it then we can't hesitate to engage in military action. Simply put Israel cannot sustain a first strike. This means that preemption is necessary. However, a military strike is still a terrible solution. All it would do is delay Iran and unite the country behind the nuclear program. The best method is to push the diplomatic front as hard as possible and then only if that fails take the vastly inferior, but necessary, military route.

[Vulgotha]

Diplomacy is always used before the stick. But when we do use the stick, we have to use it hard. They can't be allowed to get up again once we pull that out.

If we only put half our effort into this- and leave them alone, and they regroup behind a more successful nuclear initiative- that's it. Checkmate.

.., And no offense but I'd rather have a Republican in office for this. At worst I'd take Hillary. I wouldn't even consider Obama even remotely suitable for this.

[Dorfdad]

LOL Im a republican and I actually feel OBAMA would be the best for this... I have a feeling he would do everything possible to not do this but if we did he would use the fastest most effective method without risking lives and I feel he would lay the hammer down harder than you might think.

[Vulgotha]

I think you're being overly optimistic. The man is pretty much as far on the left spectrum as you can get within congress...

I'm just leery. We know more about Hillary and her plans\policies then we do Barak at this point. I don't trust him.

[Dorfdad]

While he is new to this I think he actually has the ability to make some changes, and give us a fresh face in the worlds eye's..

Hes not an Absolute power as we have congress and the house, but I know what you mean Im pulling for him to Win the general election but I will be watching the debates close..

I think a Black President will also do wonders for the race relations in the US if Obama can do the right things and get some stuff done...

[MrGixxer750]

I think you're being overly optimistic. The man is pretty much as far on the left spectrum as you can get within congress...

I'm just leery. We know more about Hillary and her plans\policies then we do Barak at this point. I don't trust him.

Exactly.

Also, obama barely withstood the primaries. He is going to crumble during the general election when people bring up his wife.

"This is unacceptable" - Obama.

LOL, not only is it acceptable, its imminent!

[JoNJoN]

When you attack Iran, the price of oil will double, triple even. Please go and learn something about geo-politics before entering adult discussions.

You work in the Pentagon or something because you seem to know all of our plans, that's amazing work Sherlock.

Let me interupt your attempted FDR-esque speech here, by offering some more reality. Contrary to your claim that we're hearing this daily, we've actually heard it twice in two years. Both times he was deliberately misquoted..

Were those the only two days you turned on the TV or something?

Russia did that when you threatened them. Now Irans doing it when you're threatenning them. No big deal. At least they're not invading other Countries.

Man we really suck then because last I checked Japan, Germany, Russia, Afghanistan, Iraq, France, Britain, Mexico, and so on don't contribute to our economy by way of taxes and such. What idiots we are, we invade all these countries and then help them rebuild back to better than they were before instead of taking all their money and resources from them. I mean wow, look at all that oil we fought for in Iraq, WOW that really worked out for us!!! DAMNIT MAN

Tell me, how many Countries has Iran invaded in the past 6 years? America is the threat to Wolrd Peace. Good thing the American Empire is about to implode.

Don't worry, next time you all get invaded. We won't waste our time. BTW, how are all those burning buses doing?

People were awaiting the invasion of Iraq right throughout the 90's, by America. It finally came in 2003. Wait, when I say 'people', I mean non-Americans. Americans have no clue about what their Government is at. Hence your brainwashed stance on Iran.

Nah, we got a clue. The citizens of this country aren't a bunch of wimps like our politicians. If it were up to us, we woulda handled that BS back in the early 1990's and done it right.

Ahmadinejad certainly hasn't sanctioned the invasion of 2 Countries in his term, nor wavered torture etc. Take a look at your own leader! lol, what gaul!

Hhhhmmmm, last I checked we weren't stoning women for being raped by men and not liking it. Last I checked we weren't killing people just for being gay. Wow, Iran sounds so lovely, why don't you do us all a favor and move there.

And if calling my country litte is suppose to offend me it doesnt im afraid, Im glad to be insignificant. There are none of my countrymen overseas dying for something that has nothing to do with them, We dont live in fear of arab 'terroists' and I dont think we are in direct threat from anyone, I think its called karma.

Last I heard, there was quite a problem with terrorism in the Northern part of your country...

[DayWalker]

Exactly.

Also, obama barely withstood the primaries. He is going to crumble during the general election when people bring up his wife.

"This is unacceptable" - Obama.

LOL, not only is it acceptable, its imminent!

Obama took on the royal family of the democratic party.

McCain took on... nobody remembers.

Now begins the galvanization process... :cool:

[Vulgotha]

That's the amusing thing Daywalker. I can't imagine how furious Hillary is. I'm positive she thought that she had this entire nomination in the bag- possibly the whitehouse.

She thought she had it all in her pocket.

And to lose to some upstart younger Senator like this- I'm half curious if perhaps her continuing to stay in this race, agaisnt all the odds, is nothing but ego. She has to look herself in the mirror one day and say "I lost".

[Sventax]

I can't comprehend what you typed. I see "threw" and I was able to translate that to "through"... but I can't make out the rest.

Let me just reiterate what you just said.

"The whole world KNEW that Iraq had NO WMD right before the US attacked."

LOL !!! I refuse to discuss politics with idiots.

LOL you should check your sources before you agree with what the media tells you!! Start talking to the people who live there and then you will understand more.
I don't think you understand much of politics.

[One-Shot]

LOL you should check your sources before you agree with what the media tells you!! Start talking to the people who live there and then you will understand more.
I don't think you understand much of politics.
Well in his defense their were other countries that believed Iraq had wmds in addition to many dems, the cia and so on.

[roadkill]

Wow go away for a few hours and the perverbial shiet hits the fan!!

In regards to Roadkill, He has an opinion just like everyone else. His belief is that American's are the enemy fine it is what it is... The fact of the matter is these are the exact type of people we are forced to deal with and there is no getting through to them..

Your an Arab Roadkill so I expect your views are different than ours and I have a feeling there is some truth in what you speak and I feel there is truth in what we speak and the real truth is probably somewhere in-between us both...

I'm not an Arab.

You work in the Pentagon or something because you seem to know all of our plans, that's amazing work Sherlock.

Its an open secret to anyone with half a brain. Have you ever heard of the term 'UN Weapons Inspector'. Ever heard of the word 'warning'? Thought not.

Were those the only two days you turned on the TV or something?

Give me proof that we're hearing it daily. If you can't offer it, you fail as a brainwashed fool. I await your proof. 10 examples be enough? He's been in power for over 600.

Man we really suck then because last I checked Japan, Germany, Russia, Afghanistan, Iraq, France, Britain, Mexico, and so on don't contribute to our economy by way of taxes and such. What idiots we are, we invade all these countries and then help them rebuild back to better than they were before instead of taking all their money and resources from them. I mean wow, look at all that oil we fought for in Iraq, WOW that really worked out for us!!! DAMNIT MAN

You invaded Iraq. You invaded Afghanistan. Apart from it being morally obscene, which you don't object to - yes, you DID fail at each. I mean Afghanistan, if the Red Army couldn't hold it, lets face it, the American army hadn't a chance in hell.

Don't worry, next time you all get invaded. We won't waste our time. BTW, how are all those burning buses doing?

My Country (Ireland) has been invaded, and fending off invasions since before America even existed. We've never needed assistance from anyone.

Nah, we got a clue. The citizens of this country aren't a bunch of wimps like our politicians. If it were up to us, we woulda handled that BS back in the early 1990's and done it right.

What BS? Destroying Iraq for the sake of it? You don't even know what 1990/91 was about. Your grasp on geo-politics is about as realistic as something from Marvel Comics.

Hhhhmmmm, last I checked we weren't stoning women for being raped by men and not liking it.

Proof that Iran did this?

Last I checked we weren't killing people just for being gay.

Proof that Iran does this?

Wow, Iran sounds so lovely, why don't you do us all a favor and move there.

Pathetic.

Last I heard, there was quite a problem with terrorism in the Northern part of your country...

That was in fact a guerilla war.

[Sventax]

Wow go away for a few hours and the perverbial shiet hits the fan!!

In regards to Roadkill, He has an opinion just like everyone else. His belief is that American's are the enemy fine it is what it is... The fact of the matter is these are the exact type of people we are forced to deal with and there is no getting through to them..

Your an Arab Roadkill so I expect your views are different than ours and I have a feeling there is some truth in what you speak and I feel there is truth in what we speak and the real truth is probably somewhere in-between us both...

My eairly statements about Hilter fell on def ears I suppose I meant to state that Hitler wanted the Jews to disappear and they tried to do just that.. Iran is now stating they want Isreal to disappear and all of its followers. Does this not sound like the same idiology Hitler used?

If these suitcase nukes do happen Iran and Hezzbalah had better be prepared die beacuse that is exactly what will happen. More sensly blood shed in the name of religion..

Im a Christian but I believe there are better ways to work out our problems but unless your willing to sit at the table and face the music we have no other method of recourse besides Military Pressure as many people heads are THICK..

No he wanted a perfect race. This meant every one who had no blond hair should be "terminated". This also included disabled people. No one talks about this viewpoint and matter. It were not soley the 4 million Jews but also the 2 million other people who died (I used 6 million people, but no one can prove that these are the actual numbers of casualties).

If Israel did not get help from the USA we would have those kind of wars in the middle-east we are having now.
Let it be and let nature takes it course or work together and start with understanding the others.

[Vulgotha]

Hitler wished to exterminate the slavs, gays, jews, and gypsies. "All those that were inferior" in his eyes.

[sonyfan6]

No he wanted a perfect race. This meant every one who had no blond hair should be "terminated". This also included disabled people. No one talks about this viewpoint and matter. It were not soley the 4 million Jews but also the 2 million other people who died (I used 6 million people, but no one can prove that these are the actual numbers of casualties).

This is incorrect. It was roughly 6 million Jews and 12 million people total.



If Israel did not get help from the USA we would have those kind of wars in the middle-east we are having now.
Let it be and let nature takes it course or work together and start with understanding the others.


This is incorrect. Israel is not the reason Islamists (the academic term for groups like Al Qaida) are attacking the West. It is a generational fight, with the extremists blaming the West for the growing desire within their own countries to modernize. Israel is a convenient propaganda tool and nothing more. It is not the reason why Islamists are attacking the West.

[ShaneEire]

Last I heard, there was quite a problem with terrorism in the Northern part of your country...

Sectarian Violence is different Im afraid, and your about 10 years to late with that statement.

And then it was people defending and fighting as it was happening on their own doorsteps, not half way across the world.

[Vulgotha]

Sonyfan is correct regarding Israel and their hatred of the west.

Rather then looking at their own internal problems they pretty much blame all of us for not being stuck in the dark ages.

[One-Shot]

Give me proof that we're hearing it daily. If you can't offer it, you fail as a brainwashed fool. I await your proof. 10 examples be enough? He's been in power for over 600.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSHOS43245220080514?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/080602/world/international_iran_israel_usa_dc_1

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191819,00.html
You invaded Iraq. You invaded Afghanistan. Apart from it being morally obscene, which you don't object to - yes, you DID fail at each. I mean Afghanistan, if the Red Army couldn't hold it, lets face it, the American army hadn't a chance in hell.
Who needs to hold what? The U.S. does not need to hold back alqueda and the taliban reminent. The current government does and we are helping them to do so. Successfully I might add. Iraq is now started to move in the right direction with still quite a ways to go.



Proof that Iran did this?
While this does sound familiar I was not able to find a new source but Iran is far from fair to women. all you have to do is google to see what injustices are done to women in that country and other islamic countries.


Proof that Iran does this?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311025,00.html

[Vulgotha]

Eh you may not want to quote Foxnews to him One-Shot. Most kooks swear by their testicles that they're "Biased".

I'm not convinced, especially when you compare Fox to the other liberal-trash networks that claim to be "Unbiased" (CNN, MSNBC, etc).

[One-Shot]

Eh you may not want to quote Foxnews to him One-Shot. Most kooks swear by their testicles that they're "Biased".

I'm not convinced, especially when you compare Fox to the other liberal-trash networks that claim to be "Unbiased" (CNN, MSNBC, etc).
Yeah I know but fox one of the biggest news sources and I am not going to play that little game with him. Doesn't matter where it comes from anyway he will spin it somehow.

[Vulgotha]

I agree.


Frankly I only ever watch Fox news these days. I gave up on CNN and the other stuff after a few years. They were insulting my intelligence.

[JoNJoN]

Thanks for the help One-shot. Here are some links regarding Iran's amazing and adoring love for all women of the world...

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0638,hentoff,74473,6.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-467588/Iranian-wife-faces-death-stoning-adultery.html
http://www.amitiesquebec-israel.org/texts/stoning.htm
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34939
http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2007/07/iran-set-to-stone-woman-to-death-for_10.html
http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/women.html

There are pictures and videos in those links also and there are plenty more where those came from so tell me again how great Iran is :suspect:

Ah hell, here are some links about homosexual rights in Iran too...

http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/07/2999.shtml
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/21/iran12072.htm
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2458/
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4413302&page
http://www.pageoneq.com/news/2005/ga_iranian_beaten_092005.html
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/11/8b051428-5f0a-45c0-b1e4-e60688f189c5.html

[sonyfan6]

Don't forget that they recently locked up the entire Bahai leadership in the country on the basis that Bahai is a heretical religion because it preaches peace and tolerance towards people of all faiths.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004431991_apiranbahais.html?syndication=rss
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7409288.stm
http://www.bahairights.org/
http://www.dreamsofadventure.us/2008/05/17/iran-locks-up-all-the-good-ones/
http://www.topix.com/world/iran/2008/06/east-bay-faithful-condemn-arrests-of-bahais-in-iran

(Not all of those are news sites, they are just the first of many hits I got on google.

[DayWalker]

... really???

you mean to tell me that mddle eastern countries don't treat women nice???

GTFOH!!!!

/sarcasm

[Vulgotha]

Lol.. I'm just as shocked as you are. haha..

[DayWalker]

:lol:

reps from Vulgotha and JonJon in the same thread...

hell hath frozen over!

Iran is bad. Ok I get it.
How come we never talk about the atrocities goin on in Africa???
You want to talk about crimes against humanity... there you go.

[Vulgotha]

The difference is religion though Daywalker, (though arguably there is Islamism in Africa too). Radical Islam has a vice grip on the middle east.

And bourne out of this, come these injustices.

[DayWalker]

The difference is religion though Daywalker, (though arguably there is Islamism in Africa too). Radical Islam has a vice grip on the middle east.

And bourne out of this, come these injustices.

i oppose genocide, murder, rape, and starvation regardless of religious affiliation :|

[Vulgotha]

These injustices are created from religion in the middle east. That was my only point.

It's easier to target the middle east because it has less to do with ethnic tensions and more to do with religious ones.

Africa is a bit different.

[DayWalker]

These injustices are created from religion in the middle east. That was my only point.

It's easier to target the middle east because it has less to do with ethnic tensions and more to do with religious ones.

Africa is a bit different.

eh... I don't want to argue your assertion.

i just think it would be nice to see the US stop an atrocity somewhere where we don't necessarily have anything to gain from intervening...

[Vulgotha]

Choose your battles. We're not omnipotent, everyone has priorities daywalker.

[JoNJoN]

I'm all for taking out all the dictators in Africa. Not sure how we would be able to handle that and the middle east but I'm down Daywalker.

[Centurion]

Well this thread turned into a ****-storm rather quickly with roadkill and sonyfan6 throwing hissy fits.

Iran isn't going to nuke anyone, doing so would bring on it's own destruction. Secondly, Iran has a right to nuclear energy, which is what their nuclear program is for. The idea that Iran is developing a nuclear programs to produce atomic weapons is pure speculation, and like I said, they wouldn't use them even if they posessed them.

[One-Shot]

Well this thread turned into a ****-storm rather quickly with roadkill and sonyfan6 throwing hissy fits.

Iran isn't going to nuke anyone, doing so would bring on it's own destruction. Secondly, Iran has a right to nuclear energy, which is what their nuclear program is for. The idea that Iran is developing a nuclear programs to produce atomic weapons is pure speculation, and like I said, they wouldn't use them even if they posessed them.
I agree iran wont nuke anyone directly. They would give them to terrorists to use.

[Sventax]

Thanks for the help One-shot. Here are some links regarding Iran's amazing and adoring love for all women of the world...

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0638,hentoff,74473,6.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-467588/Iranian-wife-faces-death-stoning-adultery.html
http://www.amitiesquebec-israel.org/texts/stoning.htm
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=34939
http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2007/07/iran-set-to-stone-woman-to-death-for_10.html
http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/women.html

There are pictures and videos in those links also and there are plenty more where those came from so tell me again how great Iran is :suspect:

Ah hell, here are some links about homosexual rights in Iran too...

http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/07/2999.shtml
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/21/iran12072.htm
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2458/
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/10/shocking_new_ph.html
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4413302&page
http://www.pageoneq.com/news/2005/ga_iranian_beaten_092005.html
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/11/8b051428-5f0a-45c0-b1e4-e60688f189c5.html

I have not followed any of the above sites. But it is commonly know that the above is true.
Like th rest of the world it is so until the government started a propaganda until now every were across the globe homosexuals are being punished even in the USA!!
Here in Holland it is the same. We do have large street parties were homo's flock to but this happened thanks to the government.

Woman ..this would take time. In my line of work I come across a lot of nationalities and I can tell you this. Women are queens in the house and man are almost slaves. I have seen so many modern couples and so many intelligent people from Iran it is unbelievable. Most companies own bu Iranian people are forged and ruled by women.

Iran has Christians, Bahai's and various casts of the Islam.

Like Afrika many countries need advancements to match up with western civilization.

But then again they don't have the drug and social problems the west is facing.

So whatever you say, they are developing and they are incredibly intelligent. Because I have spoken with many of them.

And Al-Qaida? talk to Bush they know who they really are.

[One-Shot]

Like Afrika many countries need advancements to match up with western civilization.
You know you post to much on the ps3 forums when you mix a game title spelling for real life.


And Al-Qaida? talk to Bush they know who they really are.
I am going to go with a terrorist organization. Shot in the dark I know.....

[Centurion]

Al Qaeda? I'm going to go with a group that was made up in a New York court room by an ex-associate of Bin Laden who was given witness protection and millions of dollars in tax-payer's money in order to prosecute Bin Laden under the RICO statute in July 2001.

[Sventax]

You know you post to much on the ps3 forums when you mix a game title spelling for real life.



I am going to go with a terrorist organization. Shot in the dark I know.....

That's nothing. You should check the mistake I make with spelling or leaving out complete words. It is because I think to fast and my body is not able to write down everything I want to. And you maybe right about posting to much on this forum :)

You know Israelies are the Gears of war for the USA. They are the boiling oil on the water plains called the middle-east. These wars are funded by the whole world. Why?... USA/UK pay for destruction and the rest pays for reconstruction.

Small groups see Bin laden as a Heavenly Sword that will cut through the lungs of the Illuminati(well the USA wants us to believe they have been hurt). It is working out in the favor of the world. A pre calculated plan forged by these forces is now backfiring.

The Halo created around the so called peace core is crumbling and people are losing faith in their purpose.

Year after year young men in the USA get a Call of Duty and being trained to killed other. After they exceed their usefulness they are dumped in the USA left alone in the dark to fend for their lives once again. Most military men end up as drug users, murderers and basicly outcasts.

[DB713]

You dont spend or give anything to my 'little country'


The last time your great and generous country(insert sarcasm) gave us anything was the marshall plan. and then it was a joke compared to what the other european countries got.


http://www.internationalfundforireland.com/
(http://www.internationalfundforireland.com/)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fund_for_Ireland

http://rothman.house.gov/news_releases/2006/june19.htm (http://rothman.house.gov/news_releases/2006/june19.htm)

http://foreignaffairs.gov.ie/home/index.aspx?id=25316 (http://foreignaffairs.gov.ie/home/index.aspx?id=25316)

Care to rethink that statement?

[Dorfdad]

Well this thread turned into a ****-storm rather quickly with roadkill and sonyfan6 throwing hissy fits.

Iran isn't going to nuke anyone, doing so would bring on it's own destruction. Secondly, Iran has a right to nuclear energy, which is what their nuclear program is for. The idea that Iran is developing a nuclear programs to produce atomic weapons is pure speculation, and like I said, they wouldn't use them even if they posessed them.

While I would love to think that as well im not buying it. It’s already been proven they are responsible for the proxy wars in Iraq and also support other anti Israeli organizations. While Iran may not use the technology themselves I do believe they will sell or offer it to people who care nothing about what will happen as long as they complete their goal of destroying Israel.

Remember these people have NO REGARD for human life; they won’t to die so they can claim their rewards in the afterlife. There is no logical reasoning with them like other countries. They have a totally different view of the World and what things mean and should they get the ability to bring about the destruction of the WORLD or Just Israel they would welcome it regardless of the cost, as they were martyrs.