What is Superwhite?

[HWMbrogden]

Can anyone explain what the Superwhite option is/does in the display settings for the PS3. Is this only for HDtvs? or certain tvs for that matter? I kind of want optimal settings for my 32" HD and i was just wondering what i should throw that on...and also if i should use the limited or full option for RGB or whatever its called.

[seebs]

Unless your TV's manual says otherwise, use limited RGB and do not use superwhite. Both of these are very, very, rarely supported by TVs.

[KILLERkpd]

Superwhite refers to an option that certain HDTV's have, I have it on my TV downstairs but the TV in my bedroom does not.

[HWMbrogden]

Unless your TV's manual says otherwise, use limited RGB and do not use superwhite. Both of these are very, very, rarely supported by TVs.

If its so rare then why does the ps3 offer these options? That was not trying to be rude the least bit but im just sayin...thats kinda weird.. and what type of tvs use the superwhite..like huge sony 1080p?

[Arion]

Is it only certain makes of TV's (e.g. LG, Sony, etc.) that have this option in some if there TV's. If ur TV supports it, can u list the TV that it is

[KILLERkpd]

My Sony has the Superwhite option but my Hitachi does not.

[CCourtney]

Super White is the the white levels outside of the normal RGB scheme. The RGB scheme goes from 16 to 235 instead of 0 to 255 in terms of lumance. When you exceed these thresholds you saturate to the level (black or white.)

Newer monitors can actually go beyond the RGB range and go into the super white region.

As mentioned, some support it, some don't. The ones that don't you'll end up just clipping more of the white and you get a washed out effect if you try to use the option.

TAZ427

[Legend-SAM]

just turn everything on/full.
i hav a 32" 1080i HDtv and hav everything on/full , and my tv was really cheap, so im sure if mine supports it so can urs.

also if ur still unsure visit http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/index_display.html for support on what each ps3 XMB function does

[Copyright]

Well superwhite means, technically, that the white, is super, therefore awesome and gaining the name superwhite.
Just turn it on.

[CCourtney]

Well superwhite means, technically, that the white, is super, therefore awesome and gaining the name superwhite.
Just turn it on.

Please go blow your smoke up someone else's hoho because your comment is full of $#!7.

[seebs]

If its so rare then why does the ps3 offer these options?

Because some TVs support them.

That was not trying to be rude the least bit but im just sayin...thats kinda weird.. and what type of tvs use the superwhite..like huge sony 1080p?

They have nothing to do with size, it's just a feature that some sets support and others don't -- most TVs don't.

Long story short, NTSC broadcasts are range limited, and most TVs are designed and calibrated to work within that range. Even modern HDTV sets are often calibrated for this because many sources are calibrated to work with sets that are... You get the idea. It's historical compatibility, and may be with us for some time.

It's simple. If it were the default that sets worked with this, the features would be on by default. They're off, not because Sony are some sort of morons, but because they SHOULD be off for the majority of users.

[Sufi]

That's a good question. I've always wondered what it meant. I turn mine on and don't notice anything...is it in certain situations that it's noticeable?

[mikeghtmare]

turn it on and see how it looks... or read the manual, whichever you prefer.
I have a Sharp Aquos 46'' 1080p and it does support it and all my games and bd movies looks awesome. If anyone is looking for a TV this is the one; picture perfect out of the box.

[topgun1974]

i have the sharp aqous 37" 1080p full hd tv.
does superwhite work on mine?

[HWMbrogden]

Ill see what i can do but my hd doesnt support 1080p so i mean i guess it would be kinda useless?

[ShanghaiDilly]

My Sony has the Superwhite option but my Hitachi does not.

Interesting because my Hitachi does support superwhite.

[Ragnorok64]

What is Superwhite?

NASCAR

[ONQ]

http://www.youtube.com/v/Vp-is6S_b_g&hl=en

this is superwhite!










oh you was talking about tv setting.

[AltimusGTR]

One thing is for sure that it has no impact on or off with my TV. Or at least I can't tell.

[CCourtney]

What is Superwhite?

NASCAR

LOL, apparently you don't watch NASCAR who's had people of all ethnicities as race marshals and I have plenty of friends of various ethnicities who love to watch NASCAR.

This weekend Yao Ming and Stephan Lopez where honorary pit crew members at the Coca-Cola 600 and Kristi Yamaguchi waved the green flag to start the race. Check out the list of Grand Marshals and Entertainers for NASCAR races recently.

TAZ427

[Vertisce]

You know when I first saw that on my PS3 I thought...Superhero of the KKK? But no...Superwhite is not a racists superhero. From what I was told the superwhite option is there for HDTV's that have the option. Some TV's in order to save on the life of the TV dim the shade of white a little bit...so instead of being a solid white it may look a little grey. Superwhite brightens the white color to make it more vibrant but may shorten the life of you're TV or the bulb in it. This option os mostly used in DLP TV's.

And no I am not racist in the slightest. I do however find it a little on the creepy side that this post was my 666th post...

[F1Rules]

Nascar sucks... and you can take that to the bank.

[Balthus_Dire]

Superwhite only applies if your HDMI output is set to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr.
If output its set to RGB then what makes a difference is the HDMI Black Level.

[Ragnorok64]

LOL, apparently you don't watch NASCAR who's had people of all ethnicities as race marshals and I have plenty of friends of various ethnicities who love to watch NASCAR.

This weekend Yao Ming and Stephan Lopez where honorary pit crew members at the Coca-Cola 600 and Kristi Yamaguchi waved the green flag to start the race. Check out the list of Grand Marshals and Entertainers for NASCAR races recently.

TAZ427Hey and there's a black guy in hockey, but that doesn't necessarily change demographic appeal. ;)

[CCourtney]

Hey and there's a black guy in hockey, but that doesn't necessarily change demographic appeal. ;)

Re-read my message. I referred to the demographic, not to the racial diversity of the drivers. Which yes, there is some.

TAZ427

[Ragnorok64]

Re-read my message. I referred to the demographic, not to the racial diversity of the drivers. Which yes, there is some.

TAZ427
You referred to some of your friends of various ethnicities and a few celebrity bit pieces. Nothing that would convince that NASCAR commemorative plates are going to be flying off shelves in New York faster than they would in Kentucky...

[CCourtney]

You referred to some of your friends of various ethnicities and a few celebrity bit pieces. Nothing that would convince that NASCAR commemorative plates are going to be flying off shelves in New York faster than they would in Kentucky...

So now you switch to regions. Kind of ironic that you say this when you're much more likely to find a Hockey fan in New York than in Kentucky. Just a little secrete between you and I but Kentucky doesn't have a NASCAR race there, but IRL does ;-) or are you just implying racing as a whole is for white people?

That's just an ignorant attitude to take and I am offended.

TAZ427

[SillyHatMafia]

If your TV has HDMI, turn Superwhite on.. than try it off. What ever looks best, just slect the option

[CCourtney]

Nascar sucks... and you can take that to the bank.

Well I'm glad you think that. Juan Pablo Montoya would probably have to disagree with you.

It's kind of funny that in 6 years in F1, he came in 6, 3, 3, 5, 4, 8th in the overall F1 points standings from 2001-2006. But his winnings from any of those season's was less than his $4.7M in winnings last year as the 20th place driver in NASCAR. This doesn't even go into the sponsorship.

In NASCAR you got to go to 40th position to find someone who got less than $2M in winnings. And trust me the drivers are also paid well by the teams and sponsors.

TAZ427

[MiNiMaL_sAnItY]

Michael Jackson?

Anyways, I have it turned off, theres no difference if it is on.

[Ragnorok64]

So now you switch to regions. Kind of ironic that you say this when you're much more likely to find a Hockey fan in New York than in Kentucky. Just a little secrete between you and I but Kentucky doesn't have a NASCAR race there, but IRL does ;-) or are you just implying racing as a whole is for white people?

That's just an ignorant attitude to take and I am offended.

TAZ427 Be as offended as you want, thats what you get for killing and dissecting a joke.

It don't recall specifying a region to begin with.

I'm sure there are people of all ethnic backgrounds that can stomach NASCAR. That does not at all change the fact that it's a sport who's public perception is that of a past time that appeals especially to White Americans. That's the basis of the joke, and surely you can't deny that.

When there are legitimate songs declaring the unconditional love of NASCAR (http://www.tsrocks.com/c/cledus_t_judd_texts/i_love_nascar_feat_toby_keith.html) in the hip-hop, R&B, punk rock, Latin music, J-Pop, or pretty much any genre other than country, I'll rescind my statement.

[DB713]

I thought Superwhite was the sequel to Superbad? :DD

[HWMbrogden]

This thread is the King Troll. If a mod comes in here we are toasty.

[ONQ]

how did this thread turn into a nascar vs F1 thread?

[chugs]

hisame gives a full explanation of superwhite here: http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=74680

[Scape]

^ the problem is...the people who want to know what it is, will not understand a word that Hisame says in that post. people are not asking for the rocket science technical term version of the answer. we want to know in caveman terms...what is it and should i use it.

[CCourtney]

Be as offended as you want, thats what you get for killing and dissecting a joke.

It don't recall specifying a region to begin with.

I'm sure there are people of all ethnic backgrounds that can stomach NASCAR. That does not at all change the fact that it's a sport who's public perception is that of a past time that appeals especially to White Americans. That's the basis of the joke, and surely you can't deny that.

When there are legitimate songs declaring the unconditional love of NASCAR (http://www.tsrocks.com/c/cledus_t_judd_texts/i_love_nascar_feat_toby_keith.html) in the hip-hop, R&B, punk rock, Latin music, J-Pop, or pretty much any genre other than country, I'll rescind my statement.

You mean like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CqA082Jbf8 ?

And by the way, you're reference is to a Joke song, not a declaration of unconditional love see the video for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YdjKlHlFa8

TAZ427

[Stoffinator]

What is super white? A gamer who doesn't go out and get any sun but stays in doors all day playing games.

[PsychoMantis]

Superwhite is a street term for pure cocaine. :lol:

[Ragnorok64]

You mean like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CqA082Jbf8 ? Not quite. Saying your going to drive fast like NASCAR isn't a declaration of love. That song is about as much a declaration of love for NASCAR as Bloodhound Gang's The Bad Touch (http://youtube.com/watch?v=iTW8oUV8Aq0) is an endorsement for educational television.

And by the way, you're reference is to a Joke song, not a declaration of unconditional love see the video for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YdjKlHlFa8

TAZ427 It's country music, it's all a joke as far as I'm concerned.:p

[Shin Asura]

My TV has it, seems to affect the black levels

[psp&me]

I haven't found this option, I go to automatically detect my HDTV setting and leave it at that.

[PixelPushed]

I think superwhite balances out the dark shades,

Such as dark PS3 games, if you turn superwhite on it becomes a hell lot more visable

[CCourtney]

Not quite. Saying your going to drive fast like NASCAR isn't a declaration of love. That song is about as much a declaration of love for NASCAR as Bloodhound Gang's The Bad Touch (http://youtube.com/watch?v=iTW8oUV8Aq0) is an endorsement for educational television.

It's country music, it's all a joke as far as I'm concerned.:p

This just shows your bias.

I don't listen to country music, but even the dumbest arsed idiot in the world can take a look at the video and listen to the song and tell it's a friggin' joke.

I suppose you believe Weird Al Yankovic's - 'I Love Rocky Road' is a declaration of love for Rocky Road instead of making fun of the song 'I love rock 'n roll'

TAZ427

[maniccow]

Ok for those intrested in superwhite. i have created a thread full of usefull information
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=141995

[bad_calvin]

My wife calls me super white sometimes. Usually the all nighty mighty whitey, super white for short.

ahem.. back on topic..
heh, I think your question has been answered, I didn't even notice that the option was there. I will have to see if my TV supports it (Vizzio)

[Darth Gus]

Would my olivia 32' have superwhite?

[Vertisce]

I believe that most TV's have Superwhite if they are over 32" and have HDMI. I could be mistaken but I heard that somewhere. Only sure way to know is to call Olivia and ask or check the documentation online for the TV.

[ThaoNguyen]

i was did just asked the same thing!!

[CCourtney]

I believe that most TV's have Superwhite if they are over 32" and have HDMI. I could be mistaken but I heard that somewhere. Only sure way to know is to call Olivia and ask or check the documentation online for the TV.

You're mistaken. Most do not support it.

[chugs]

Ok RGB uses a combination of red, blue and yellow to create all the colours you see on your screen.

Now, and this is open to dispute, most televisions are unable to display 24bit plus RGB. They are limited to Limited RGB, which on your PC is 16bit. Its been said this has been done for legacy support purposes, i.e so your TV can continue to receive the limited signals.

Computer monitors however are not constrained by Television standards, and thus why for many a decade we have had the luxury of 32bit RGB

Now onto the subject at hand. When a camera records a picture, still or video, it obviously defines a value for all the colours, including white and black, captured in the picture.

Now the tv monitor/output device, based on the recorded media (and other information contained in the RGB signal) sometimes use the wrong white value when the recorded image is rendered. This causes artifacts (brightness shift etc), and obviously you'll lose clarity and definition.

So superwhite is a higher white value that is incorporated in the high quality RGB signals, 30, 32, and 48bit. This is why many people say Superwhite is only useful for Blu-ray type media as high-definition broadcasts are the only media's that have the head room to contain this additional information.

This higher value white signal is used in lieu of the old white value to render white (and I believe black) information thus alleviating things like brightness shift, luminosity pop.....

Anyway, go to your PC and change it to 16bit colour, and compare it to 32bit colour. Big difference eh. (right click desktop > properties > settings - in there is the colour quality).

Compare the whites in a picture on your computer to the whites shown in the 16bit. This is the difference, if your television can hack it, that you'll see when using superwhite.

There is also a colour chart you can download which will show 32 squares (or something like that). If your TV can allow you see all the squares then for whatever reason, your telly supports full RGB and possibly better.

Also superwhite is not limited to HDMI. Prior to HDMI 1.3 superwhite simply wasn't supported. See HDMI 1.3 supported monitors can now receive 30-bit, 32-bit, and 48-bit RGB signals. Superwhite is contained in these extra channels, amongst other things i.e. transparency.

So for everyone who wants to know; "can my TV support superwhite".

Well get your manual out and have a read, look for anything about RGB (usually in back of your manual), or if your supremely lazy then ring up the manufacturer and ask em.

otherwise find a colour chart, stick it on your PS3. If you can see all the different squares then bam your telly is good as gold

edit:

1. There is no point turning superwhite on if your not using "full RGB".
2. Apparently there is a bug when playing old PS2 games that the PS3 will automatically swap you back to limited RGB (and forgot to switch back to full RGB).