Death Sentence

[360Spider]

I am STRONGLY against it.It concerns my feelings about capitol punishment and death row. I think it is a sickening way of revenge, unnecessarily used and abused in the most sad and frightening way. It is inhumane and cruel what the states do to their own citizens. How are you going to say that it is not right to kill and then say that we're going to show you by killing you too. Then you have made yet many, many more people suffer the lose of a loved one and you, yourself have assisted in killing yet another human being. And you know what; sometimes it ends up being a severely mentally ill person, one who was a minor (a child) at the time of the crime, or even worse, an innocent man (or woman) who is awaiting a horrible death but first has to await his wrongful sentence, being treated less than an animal awaiting to be put to sleep. I personally have seen animals put to sleep and it isn't as such a painful and cruel way to die as these men do. If you must be put to sleep before your time then it should be more of a peaceful death. We have no right trying to do the Lords job. Hasn't there been enough pain, loss and sadness?

[WaspMonkey]

You know, I was going to write out a long response on why I disagree with you and how I think the death sentence can be a good thing if used judiciously, but honestly, you don't appear to have formed a solid case against the death penalty so I will just say that while you make some valid arguments, you also commit many fallacies that destroy your foundation.

[Xelis]

I am STRONGLY against it.It concerns my feelings about capitol punishment and death row. I think it is a sickening way of revenge, unnecessarily used and abused in the most sad and frightening way. It is inhumane and cruel what the states do to their own citizens. How are you going to say that it is not right to kill and then say that we're going to show you by killing you too. Then you have made yet many, many more people suffer the lose of a loved one and you, yourself have assisted in killing yet another human being. And you know what; sometimes it ends up being a severely mentally ill person, one who was a minor (a child) at the time of the crime, or even worse, an innocent man (or woman) who is awaiting a horrible death but first has to await his wrongful sentence, being treated less than an animal awaiting to be put to sleep. I personally have seen animals put to sleep and it isn't as such a painful and cruel way to die as these men do. If you must be put to sleep before your time then it should be more of a peaceful death. We have no right trying to do the Lords job. Hasn't there been enough pain, loss and sadness?

So you wouldn't be against having a pedophile in jail right now thats raped 5-6 children possibly killed them too but could be released in 20 years. Its a waste of tax payers money to keep someone like that in jail.

[SteelSamurai]

I completely agree with you 360Spider, it's sickening and cruel. +rep for that post.

[One-Shot]

I am STRONGLY against it.It concerns my feelings about capitol punishment and death row. I think it is a sickening way of revenge, unnecessarily used and abused in the most sad and frightening way. It is inhumane and cruel what the states do to their own citizens. How are you going to say that it is not right to kill and then say that we're going to show you by killing you too. Then you have made yet many, many more people suffer the lose of a loved one and you, yourself have assisted in killing yet another human being. And you know what; sometimes it ends up being a severely mentally ill person, one who was a minor (a child) at the time of the crime, or even worse, an innocent man (or woman) who is awaiting a horrible death but first has to await his wrongful sentence, being treated less than an animal awaiting to be put to sleep. I personally have seen animals put to sleep and it isn't as such a painful and cruel way to die as these men do. If you must be put to sleep before your time then it should be more of a peaceful death. We have no right trying to do the Lords job. Hasn't there been enough pain, loss and sadness?

...yeah its sick to carry out the death sentence on someone who murdered and or raped a innocent person.... :???:

I have no sympathy for such people. Its their own faults they are in the situation they are in.

btw this should be in the politics section

[WaspMonkey]

So you wouldn't be against having a pedophile in jail right now thats raped 5-6 children possibly killed them too but could be released in 20 years. Its a waste of tax payers money to keep someone like that in jail.

Actually, there are only a few states (Alabama being the latest) that actually allow the death penalty for rape cases. In Alabama it is specifically for child rapists. In all the other states in order to get the death penalty it must be pre-meditated 1st degree murder that was heinous in its execution. Sorry OP but it is not as prevalently used as you'd like to believe. And people on death row do not get a quick turnaround. Its not here's a trial, here's your sentence, here's your death. It is a very long process with numerous appeals and years in between.


Honestly, if anything I would prefer the process to be sped up.

[360DiedOnMe]

idk wtf to think anymore, let's just kill everybody. One one hand i think people that kill others and things like that deserve to go like that but on the other i think killing is still wrong. IDFK, as long as i am not making the decision

[360Spider]

So you wouldn't be against having a pedophile in jail right now thats raped 5-6 children possibly killed them too but could be released in 20 years. Its a waste of tax payers money to keep someone like that in jail.

No......not 20 years. They should give him life. That's the only punishment out there. I mean why kill them? You punish people for killing, yet you kill them? It doesn't make sense. Give them life. I know a few people, one of them being my uncle, that has life without parole. And they say, they would rather die than stay there for the rest of their life. I mean, maximum security, staying 23 hours a day in a small box, taking showers twice a week, etc.

[One-Shot]

No......not 20 years. They should give him life. That's the only punishment out there. I mean why kill them? You punish people for killing, yet you kill them? It doesn't make sense. Give them life. I know a few people, one of them being my uncle, that has life without parole. And they say, they would rather die than stay there for the rest of their life. I mean, maximum security, staying 23 hours a day in a small box, taking showers twice a week, etc.
...so we do them a favor?

[Husker86]

I disagree with almost every point you bring up. However, it is a common misconception that putting someone to death saves tax money. It costs just as much or even more (from what I hear) to go through all the steps to put someone to death as it does to keep them imprisoned for life. Because of this I am not 100% for the death penalty since I would rather someone suffer many years for their crimes rather than getting the easy way out and being put to death.
I can go either way. If it did save tax money (the system being reworked to do so) then I would be more for it.

[Xelis]

No......not 20 years. They should give him life. That's the only punishment out there. I mean why kill them? You punish people for killing, yet you kill them? It doesn't make sense. Give them life. I know a few people, one of them being my uncle, that has life without parole. And they say, they would rather die than stay there for the rest of their life. I mean, maximum security, staying 23 hours a day in a small box, taking showers twice a week, etc.
Its justified killing though, eye for an eye, his own actions brought along those consequences.

[WaspMonkey]

Life sentences cost an awful lot of money. How about a compromise. I will be against the death penalty if...I know that these people are regularly beaten to within an inch of their lives, are sodimized and raped by other inmates and suffer so much that the sweet release of death is all they can hope for. Then it might be worth the money to keep them in prison.

[Vulgotha]

I'm all for it. As long as their death doesn't involve a long and drawn out physical torture, I really just don't care.

We should have more of them.

[360DiedOnMe]

Its justified killing though, eye for an eye, his own actions brought along those consequences.
like 50 cent, lmfao, EYE FOR AN EYE

[HellsJester]

Im for the death of all Killers, Rapists, and Pedophiles.

[Vulgotha]

Eye for an Eye originated from the Old Testament of the Bible 360DiedOnMe.

[WaspMonkey]

Eye for an Eye originated from the Old Testament of the Bible 360DiedOnMe.

How sad is it that that had to be pointed out? LMAO


Maybe he already knew that, but it sure didn't seem like it.

[Xelis]

I disagree with almost every point you bring up. However, it is a common misconception that putting someone to death saves tax money. It costs just as much or even more (from what I hear) to go through all the steps to put someone to death as it does to keep them imprisoned for life. Because of this I am not 100% for the death penalty since I would rather someone suffer many years for their crimes rather than getting the easy way out and being put to death.
I can go either way. If it did save tax money (the system being reworked to do so) then I would be more for it.
Fair enough on the tax thing, but over here in England we had a pedophile raped and killed 2 girls, ended up in jail but got a Playstation, DVD's, nice bed, good food etc etc.. In jail!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article237774.ece

[360Spider]

Conditions on Texas death row are atrocious. Inmates are enclosed in tiny confined cubicles that are more like boxes than cells and condemned to virtual sensory deprivation. They are slowly being driven crazy. Their food is often spoiled or rancid, they have no televisions, no religious services, no heath care and are allowed only such personal belongings as will fit into two shopping bags. Lawyer Meredith Martin Roundtree said guards used pepper spray and resorted to force on any hint of prisoner defiance. Because of the ventilation system, the gas is spread throughout the pod each time they use it. Prisoners' only form of protest is to jam their toilets so that the cellblock is often flooded with feces. The guards harass the prisoners several times a day. Halperin alleged that one prisoner, Eddie Rowton, died of a heart attack last July after pleading with guards for medical attention for two days.

Now, this is serious punishment. So why kill them? This is good enough. I mean I would rather die than live a life in prison.

[WonsAuto]

I moved this to the right section.

As for the death penalty, I agree with it in extreme cases. There's really nothing you can do to help child rapists and serial killers, and there's no place for such people in our society.

In the case of the odd "crime of passion" murder, a lifetime of mental anguish to dwell on their crime in prison is sufficient.

[Xelis]

Now, this is serious punishment. So why kill them? This is good enough. I mean I would rather die than live a life in prison.

You contradict youself there, your trying to say killing them is inhumane, but in that sentence you'd rather die then live in jail. Ergo... killing them is the humane thing.

[360Spider]

You contradict youself there, your trying to say killing them is inhumane, but in that sentence you'd rather die then live in jail. Ego... killing them is the humane thing.


LOL....you misunderstood me bro. What I meant was that life in prison is so harsh, that I would rather die, and so would lots of other people. So why kill them? Let this harsh life be their punishment. Let God do whatever He wants with them.

[One-Shot]

LOL....you misunderstood me bro. What I meant was that life in prison is so harsh, that I would rather die, and so would lots of other people. So why kill them? Let this harsh life be their punishment. Let God do whatever He wants with them.
Well to go with the religious side wouldn't death be much worse than anything on earth?

[Vulgotha]

The other side of the coin has nothing to do with their lives- but what lives they may destroy if let loose in society again.

That Florida case with the little girl? Yeaaaa.

[360DiedOnMe]

How sad is it that that had to be pointed out? LMAO


Maybe he already knew that, but it sure didn't seem like it.
ORRRR maybe i'm Muslim and i have never read the bible, new testament, old testament. Any of them. However many different versions they are, King James Version, whatever it's called. Not everybody in this world has read the bible guys, i sure know a lot of people that haven't even ones that are not Muslim. BTW i'm not that religious anyway, but that's what i am.

[Vulgotha]

Doesn't matter. It's just something "One should know".

Additionally the Qur'An pulls alot of it's scriptures from the Torah, I'd be surprised if "Eye for an Eye" or the principle of it, isn't in it somewhere.

Edit:

"Unbelievers are those who do no judge according to God's revelations. We decreed for them a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and a wound for a wound" The Table #43-



^ Argument invalidated.

[Lionel Hutz]

So you wouldn't be against having a pedophile in jail right now thats raped 5-6 children possibly killed them too but could be released in 20 years. Its a waste of tax payers money to keep someone like that in jail.

Life sentences cost an awful lot of money. How about a compromise. I will be against the death penalty if...I know that these people are regularly beaten to within an inch of their lives, are sodimized and raped by other inmates and suffer so much that the sweet release of death is all they can hope for. Then it might be worth the money to keep them in prison.

Actually, a life sentence costs A LOT LESS than a death sentence.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108Report to Washington State Bar Association regarding costs


At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty and costs of $47,000 to $70,000 for court personnel.



On direct appeal, the cost of appellate defense averages $100,000 more in death penalty cases, than in non-death penalty murder cases.



Personal restraint petitions filed in death penalty cases on average cost an additional$137,000 in public defense costs

This is in fact the reason why I am a republican against the death penalty. A life sentence to me is far more damning as well (can you imagine life incarceration along with solitary confinement and other criminals?). It's worse than being put to death via lethal injection IMO.
So:
1. A life sentence is cheaper.
2. A life sentence is a harsher punishment IMO.

[SymphonyX]

I don't think killing others is necesary especially when Eye for an eye is when something has been done to you or those closest to you. God wants me to forgive people no matter how hard. Sorry I had to draw a religious view on to this. I only think the killer should answer to the man above.

[360DiedOnMe]

Doesn't matter. It's just something "One should know".

Additionally the Qur'An pulls alot of it's scriptures from the Torah, I'd be surprised if "Eye for an Eye" or the principle of it, isn't in it somewhere.


"Unbelievers are those who do no judge according to God's revelations. We decreed for them a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and a wound for a wound" The Table #43-



^ Claim invalidated.
I'm sure one form of it is in there, liek i said though, I'm not very religious. And why is that something someone should "just Know", that makes no sense whatsoever. If i never read the book and dont talk to people about the religion all the time, why should i know that?? Your point makes no sense.

[WaspMonkey]

ORRRR maybe i'm Muslim and i have never read the bible, new testament, old testament. Any of them. However many different versions they are, King James Version, whatever it's called. Not everybody in this world has read the bible guys, i sure know a lot of people that haven't even ones that are not Muslim. BTW i'm not that religious anyway, but that's what i am.

I'm not a Muslim, but I do believe that the Koran has quite a bit of the Old Testament in it and I would think that 'an eye for an eye' is one of those things. Especially as its from the Code of Hammurabi which is still used today in many Muslim and middle eastern countries and cultures.

Edit: Its something one should 'just know' because it is such a commonly used phrase. Like the Golden Rule (its Do unto others...before they do unto you) or the 1st Amendment. If you live in the U.S. you should just know the 1st Amendment.

Eye for an Eye is common knowledge for 80-90% of the world probably.

[360Spider]

So there we go. Life sentence is much cheaper and is harsher. They should not kill people. That's God's job. He's the one who's supposed to take someone's life not prison guards.

Government: It is illegal to kill people. You should never kill someone. So if you do, we are going to kill you.

They are contradicting themselves.

[Xelis]

Actually, a life sentence costs A LOT LESS than a death sentence.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108

This is in fact the reason why I am a republican against the death penalty. A life sentence to me is far more damning as well (can you imagine life incarceration along with solitary confinement and other criminals?). It's worse than being put to death via lethal injection IMO.

So:
1. A life sentence is cheaper.
2. A life sentence is a harsher punishment.
Fair enough, what about prison space? Here in England we're at max capacity and even just giving jail time crimes a slap on the wrist. Im sure people who deserve the death penalty can then free up some space.

Anyway, this debate has gone on throughout the world for years and will carry on going on forever, so theres little point in me expressing my views all the time for someone else to express theirs back but putting down my points, its a never ending cycle of pointlessness.

[WaspMonkey]

So we should never go to war either? Because war sometimes requires killing people. Hate to throw in the old standby, but I don't think the world would be a better place if no one had stepped up to stop Hitler. Often times the problems with morals and ethics are that they are not black and white.

Is murder wrong?

Short answer, yes with an if. Long answer, no with a but.

[Lionel Hutz]

Eye for an Eye originated from the Old Testament of the Bible 360DiedOnMe.How sad is it that that had to be pointed out? LMAOMaybe he already knew that, but it sure didn't seem like it.Not exactly. The "eye for an eye" idea originated in the Code of Hammurabi around 1760 BC. (The code was more than just equal punishment though. Rank was very important. For example, if a master took the eye of a slave, only a monetary payment was required of the master. As my history professor always said, "Rank has its privileges." In other words, "eye for an eye" was only implemented amongst people of equal rank.

It is generally accepted that the Old Testament was written no earlier than the 12th Century BC. That is after the Code of Hammurabi.

However, if you are referring the the phrase "eye for an eye" as opposed to the concept/idea, then yes, it did originate in the Old Testament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_testament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye

[360DiedOnMe]

I'm not a Muslim, but I do believe that the Koran has quite a bit of the Old Testament in it and I would think that 'an eye for an eye' is one of those things. Especially as its from the Code of Hammurabi which is still used today in many Muslim and middle eastern countries and cultures.

Edit: Its something one should 'just know' because it is such a commonly used phrase. Like the Golden Rule (its Do unto others...before they do unto you) or the 1st Amendment. If you live in the U.S. you should just know the 1st Amendment.

Eye for an Eye is common knowledge for 80-90% of the world probably.
First Hand, i have heard it maybe once. And no, i never asked where it originated from. I will bet you that more than half of the US population will not know where it's from. btw, i moved here when i was 7 from croatia, lived there for 3 years before moving out from bosnia because of the war. I have lived in a Christianized country for most of my life but i still have only heard that quote once. I don't see what the big deal is with me not knowing where it originiated from lol.

[WaspMonkey]

lNot exactly. The "eye for an eye" idea originated in the Code of Hammurabi around 1760 BC. (The code was more than just equal punishment though. Rank was more important. If a master took the eye of a slave, only a payment was required of the master. As my history professor always said, "Rank has its privileges." "Eye for an Eye" was only implemented amongst people of equal rank.

It is generally accepted that the Old Testament was written no earlier than the 12th Century BC. That is after the Code of Hammurabi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_testament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi

Beat you to it...check above.

Lest we forget the famous words of Ghandi, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."


(Almost wrote...whole world bling...would have been a different interpretation)


Edit: 360DiedonMe - Its not that you didn't know where it was from, its that you associated it with 50 cent. That is said and telling about today's culture. The phrase is pretty pervasive so I would think there must be a Croatian or Bosnian version.

[One-Shot]

So there we go. Life sentence is much cheaper and is harsher. They should not kill people. That's God's job. He's the one who's supposed to take someone's life not prison guards.

Government: It is illegal to kill people. You should never kill someone. So if you do, we are going to kill you.

They are contradicting themselves.
So the goal should be to make it cheaper tnx.

your "
Government: It is illegal to kill people. You should never kill someone. So if you do, we are going to kill you. " argument is really ridiculous. No one who murders says oh its alright I kill or rape this person because the government does it to murderers.

[Vulgotha]

I was referring to the phrase "Eye for an Eye" not the concept behind it per se.

But I was fairly positive the phrase and principle was in the Koran.

[Lionel Hutz]

I was referring to the phrase "Eye for an Eye" not the concept behind it per se.

But I was fairly positive the phrase and principle was in the Koran.Got ya. I edited my post above to reflect the possibility. :)

[360Spider]

So the goal should be to make it cheaper tnx.

your "
Government: It is illegal to kill people. You should never kill someone. So if you do, we are going to kill you. " argument is really ridiculous. No one who murders says oh its alright I kill or rape this person because the government does it to murderers.

No, what I mean is that they are contradicting themselves by saying that you shouldn't kill people, and yet they do it.

[360DiedOnMe]

Beat you to it...check above.

Lest we forget the famous words of Ghandi, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."


(Almost wrote...whole world bling...would have been a different interpretation)


Edit: 360DiedonMe - Its not that you didn't know where it was from, its that you associated it with 50 cent. That is said and telling about today's culture. The phrase is pretty pervasive so I would think there must be a Croatian or Bosnian version.
Ok, i left Europe when i was 7 though and the only people i speak bosnian with are with my parents. The only very religious person that i have had in my family would have been my grandmother, God rest her soul, and i haven't seen her since i was 4. My english is much better than my Bosnian is as far as speaking or reading it. I know there is The Qur'an in english as well, but like i have said i am not greatly religious. Sure i have researched religions but i have never sat down and read the whole book, i'm not very keen on reading and fall asleep after about 5 minutes of doing it.

[WonsAuto]

No, what I mean is that they are contradicting themselves by saying that you shouldn't kill people, and yet they do it.

I don't buy that argument for a second. If someone commits a horrible crime why should simply putting them in an overstuffed prison be enough?

[WaspMonkey]

Did you know that...we are the only 'westernized' country that still has the death penalty? Which really makes you wonder...

















what's wrong with all of the other 'westernized' countries in the world? They need to get with the program. Stop living with old stodgy laws and get with some new laws. They need to get youthenized.

[360Spider]

I don't buy that argument for a second. If someone commits a horrible crime why should simply putting them in an overstuffed prison be enough?

Because if you kill them, they really don't feel what they did wrong. They just die. They really don't "feel" the punishment. But putting them in prison, that's already the punishment. They suffer in prison for the crime they did. But if you just kill them, they don't suffer, they're just dead. It's hard to explain. I don't know if you know what I mean.

[WaspMonkey]

Because if you kill them, they really don't feel what they did wrong. They just die. They really don't "feel" the punishment. But putting them in prison, that's already the punishment. They suffer in prison for the crime they did. But if you just kill them, they don't suffer, they're just dead. It's hard to explain. I don't know if you know what I mean.

But if you are religious, and your posts above suggest that you are, then they would receive an even worse punishment upon death. That way they get to the much worse punishment that lasts an eternity much faster.

[WonsAuto]

Because if you kill them, they really don't feel what they did wrong. They just die. They really don't "feel" the punishment. But putting them in prison, that's already the punishment. They suffer in prison for the crime they did. But if you just kill them, they don't suffer, they're just dead. It's hard to explain. I don't know if you know what I mean.

I think that the time between being sentenced and executed is plenty of time to "feel" the punishment. Either way, it's hardly a valid argument against the death penalty.

[One-Shot]

No, what I mean is that they are contradicting themselves by saying that you shouldn't kill people, and yet they do it.
So? Their is a big difference between someone given the death penalty for murdering for no good reason and punishing someone for one of the worse crimes.

[Carsonal]

Kill the killers.
Kill the executioner.
Kill the executioners executioner.
Kill the executioners executioners executioner.

Revenge is a dish best thrown in the trash.

[One-Shot]

Kill the killers.
Kill the executioner.
Kill the executioners executioner.
Kill the executioners executioners executioner.

Revenge is a dish best thrown in the trash.
...or just kill the murderer who kills innocents.

[wunderless]

Because if you kill them, they really don't feel what they did wrong. They just die. They really don't "feel" the punishment. But putting them in prison, that's already the punishment. They suffer in prison for the crime they did. But if you just kill them, they don't suffer, they're just dead. It's hard to explain. I don't know if you know what I mean.
Do you think the types of people that are getting the death sentence are going to feel remorse? I'm doubtful. They are simply a waste of oxygen.

And props to this forum and its contributors to having a discussion of this nature without it turning hostile.

[THUGGEDOUT]

You have guys like Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez and many more just sitting away in jail for many years for horrific crimes. These guys may not have some of the luxuries as us but they do get 3 meals a day, a bed to sleep in, access to books, internet and possibly television. Our tax money is paying for all this and there are some people out there, good decent folk hard on thier luck that do not have these things. I am all for the death penalty and not only that but also castration for rapists and pedos as well as other things which I won't go into...

[Hunnter]

I'm against it personally.
It seems like an easy way out to me.

But what i'm not against is building some massive prison somewhere (preferably an entire island, large one at that) and punting off all the idiots and let them war it out on there.
And don't give me that human rights crap, they got their for doing something serious enough to warrant killing them, that's enough for me.
By the way, yes, i am very serious, this isn't a joke post this time.
Let them live like animals if they want to live like animals.

[LiquidHelium]

If you support the death penalty and one innocent person is killed, then you yourself are a murderer and should be killed, by your own rules.

Also: Its cheaper to keep someone in jail for the rest of there life than to kill them.

[weskurtz81]

LiquidHelium,

My death penalty could cost only only a few pennies.... and I doubt it actually costs more than life in jail.

Anyway, I support the death penalty.... and how is killing an innocent person any different than incarcerating them for life? Sure, they might eventually get out.... but it happens.

The prisons are already over crowded, and no point in keeping murders in prison for life. The only other thing I would support for a murderer would be something like shipping them to another planet that they can survive on, and letting them kill each other.

Edit: Also, just because you support the death penalty, and an innocent person is killed, it does not make you a murderer, that's idiotic. That's like saying, if you support the right to bear arms, and an innocent person dies, then you are a murderer. Or, if you support anything that ends up killing an innocent person, then you yourself are a murderer.... not much logic involved in that. So, we should support sending people to prison, because it's very likely that an innocent person has been in prison until they died.... doesn't make much sense.


@Hunter,

I agree with the Island deal.... make something very basic, big walls, with guys that have guns up on the walls, and let the idiots battle it out. That would be good enough for me... just pay a handful of people to patrol the walls, and that's it.... if people try to escape, just shoot them.

[Hunnter]

Exactly, it wouldn't even require much maintanance.
Hell, you could go as far as making it fully automated as well, few gun turrets and cameras, big massive walls surrounding it, simple.
While initially it could cost alot to do it at first, but the costs will be balanced out fairly quickly, and its not like it would need to be built instantly, long term project.

It would solve all the problems really, no more overcrowding, less resources required to keep it up.
Now just pop some cameras in it and make a new TV show. :lol:

[weskurtz81]

Yeah, kind of like the deal in the Jet Li movie where they send them to a parallel universe.... that is a GREAT idea, stick them on some random planet....

Otherwise, the island isn't a bad idea either, something simple, out in the middle of nowhere.. maybe some place with sharks in the water....

[LiquidHelium]

LiquidHelium,

My death penalty could cost only only a few pennies.... and I doubt it actually costs more than life in jail.

Anyway, I support the death penalty.... and how is killing an innocent person any different than incarcerating them for life? Sure, they might eventually get out.... but it happens.

The prisons are already over crowded, and no point in keeping murders in prison for life. The only other thing I would support for a murderer would be something like shipping them to another planet that they can survive on, and letting them kill each other.

Edit: Also, just because you support the death penalty, and an innocent person is killed, it does not make you a murderer, that's idiotic. That's like saying, if you support the right to bear arms, and an innocent person dies, then you are a murderer. Or, if you support anything that ends up killing an innocent person, then you yourself are a murderer.... not much logic involved in that. So, we should support sending people to prison, because it's very likely that an innocent person has been in prison until they died.... doesn't make much sense.


A lethal injection consists of:
5 grams of Sodium Thiopental
100mg of Pancuronium bromide
100 mEq of Potassium chloride
These are very, very costly

The over crowdedness is another matter and can be solved in other, more human ways

If you support the right to bear arms and an innocent is killed then that is done through the person holding the gun, capital punishment is done through the government.

If an innocent person dies they cannot be freed, 42 people in the last 5 years (I think it was 5, might be ten) have been released from death row, we don't know how many innocents have been killed. I bet you if America had no death penalty atleast one innocent life would of been spared.

People who die in prison die of natural causes, not because they were killed, you cant compare killing someone with dieing of old age.

[weskurtz81]

How is that any different if they die from lethal injection or natural causes. We have heard prisoners time and time again say they would rather face death than spend life in prison.... so, those guys would probably have rather died than spend a life in prison.

Point is, you are saying, if I support the death penalty and someone dies, well then, I am a murderer too....

If I support other things like gun ownership, but people use them to kill other people, then how is it different? The government is still involved....

It's fine if you don't support the death penalty, but that comparison you made is not valid, and that is really the only reason I am even writing these posts, that statement was pretty far fetched.

Edit: how much does the actual injection actually cost... do you know?

[SymphonyX]

What I see going on is that most inmates are being put in privately run jails owned by large corporations. Who later use those same exact inmates to clean trash on the side of the road and perform other means of manual labor and not pay them or pay them a maximum of 15 dollars a month. Also what the government pays is for the corporation to hold the inmates so the more inmates in the jail the more money each pirvately funded/owned jail gets back.

[Nuvian]

Im against death row,but only because i see it as an "easy way out",someone that deserves a death row,has clearly done some brutal things in his life,so he deserves a long and painfull life,not a quick death.

[Carsonal]

...or just kill the murderer who kills innocents.

Just as they had no right to take the lives of another person, no one has the right to take systematically take theirs.
Incarceration is arguably a fate worse that death.

[One-Shot]

Just as they had no right to take the lives of another person, no one has the right to take systematically take theirs.
Incarceration is arguably a fate worse that death.
In your opinion if someone kills another in cold blood we some how don't have the right to kill them. Right now the law of the land is that we have every right, and I can't say I can get up the sympathy you can for the murderer.

[Vulgotha]

I disagree. To systematically remove life for the sake of leisure and convenience is now a prime tenant in this country regarding abortion.

Let us now not deny this "Service" to those who have broken the law and taken lives.

Yup I'm intentionally stirring the hornet nest.

[se7enthsign]

You have one team of lawyers who are hellbent on convicting the person, even if they are not completely sure he is guilty, and another team who will try their hardest to get them off even if they know he did it. After they go at it for hours, the fate of the defendant is left to 12 random humans who never studied law a day in their lives.

In the end, innocent people get locked up and criminals walk free, all because one side sold their story better than the other. Fix this first. Once we are sure that ONLY people who deserve death are getting death, things will be fine.

[360Spider]

Im against death row,but only because i see it as an "easy way out",someone that deserves a death row,has clearly done some brutal things in his life,so he deserves a long and painfull life,not a quick death.

That is EXACTLY my point! The death penalty is an easy way out.

And throwing them in an island is a great idea! I was actually talking to my dad about this months ago.

[weskurtz81]

That is EXACTLY my point! The death penalty is an easy way out.

And throwing them in an island is a great idea! I was actually talking to my dad about this months ago.

Essentially, if we can remove these guys from society, at a low cost, and make the remaining life they have to live miserable... I am for it. They don't have to die at the hands of the government, let these tool slaughter themselves. But, at this point in time, I would rather them be killed in a cheap and efficient manner than to take up tax payer money to rot in prison for life.

[ninjaboy]

I believe that death penalty should only be given to people that kill other people. I don't believe that anything less than murder is sufficient for the death penalty. Rapists should go to jail for a very long time, but I don't think that rape is worthy of death.

[grcswoosh]

1. People who are known to kill others (more than 1 person), especially kids. I mean known, must have hard evidence.
2. People who have molested a child.

These people IMO opinion must be put down. There is no room for them in society and they will never be "rehabilitated". Get rid of them. It costs way too much to keep them alive and there is no reason to do so.

[DINAMO788]

ok by me. if someone doesn't value life and takes the life of another, why should we pity him ahd grant him life?


basically if its economical, cheaper than holding prisoners in for life, i'm cool with it.

[coolguy]

they should put people to death if you kill a child or a cop