PIssing away the tax payer dollars.

[Carsonal]

http://www.youtube.com/v/uba37udqF9A&hl=en

Sen. Byron Dorgan talks about the downright insulting waste of U.S. taxpayer income.

What he covers is only a small amount of the enormous amount of well concealed corruption in U.S. Gov.

*Note, the source isnt Youtube, its C-SPAN.*

[Xelis]

You know 'Politician' is just a fancy word for liar.

[Carsonal]

Dorgans telling the truth here.

He's a rare breed.

[Vulgotha]

I wouldn't call this "Corruption". It's just the inefficiency of the Bureaucracy. The less of it you have, the more streamlined and efficient the respective government will be.

But many geniuses in politics propose expanding government, and adding layers to the bureaucracy. These kind of errors are not incredibly uncommon, nor should they be surprising.

[Carsonal]

It does allude to corruption.

There is plenty of it, including that of the Bush Family.

[roadkill]

The ban on Youtube as a source is silly. It can rightly be used a source for any number of issues. Using it as an entire argument is one thing, banning it as a source is another.

[Vulgotha]

It does allude to corruption.

There is plenty of it, including that of the Bush Family.

Neverheard this stuff before. :rolleyes:


Keep it up Mr. Rather.



..How does this allude to corruption? Two individuals receive 300million+ dollars from the Government to supply ammunition to Afghanis... Which they do. Albeit extremely poorly.

Alludes to inefficiency and serious mistakes inherent to bloated bureaucracies.

[SymphonyX]

I have always been against War Profiteering, but this is just sad. If you want to know more about this type of subject I suggest you watch Iraq for Sale, an unbiased view on the subject.

http://www.youtube.com/v/N83BdpNPvgw&hl

You can watch iraq for sale on youtube and google video.

[Vulgotha]

That isn't unbiased. "Unbiased" is essentially nonexistent, and it is definitely is pushing an agenda anyways, as clearly evident by it's title.


I can't say I'm agaisnt war profiteering so long as the job gets done, and is conducted (to the best of their respective ability) within the moral limits of the Geneva Convention (lol like anyone obeys such trivial laws) or whatever restrictions the military puts on it.

[SymphonyX]

What is the reason we have private army in Iraq, thousands of troops are being idle and just being put on watch duty because Blackwater has come in and taken their jobs basicaly. Most contracters working for Titan and CACI are mechanics and interrogators that do not follow the Geneva Convention, they cannot be court marshalled and get triple the pay of a soldier.

Most contracters charge 100 dollars a load of laundry to wash in dry that actually comes out to 3 dollars in the US. They feed the troops waters with no chlorine and put the troops on guard duty. They are wasting millions and millions of tax payer money.

[Carsonal]

I can't say I'm agaisnt war profiteering so long as the job gets done

Now that is just dispicable.
You're fine with an abhomination of human kind taking place, and in the process people actually profitting from that, so long as the country in which you reside is the "victor"?
Do you even have a soul?

Neverheard this stuff before. :rolleyes:


Keep it up Mr. Rather.



..How does this allude to corruption? Two individuals receive 300million+ dollars from the Government to supply ammunition to Afghanis... Which they do. Albeit extremely poorly.

Alludes to inefficiency and serious mistakes inherent to bloated bureaucracies.

Money is stolen and discretely moved around all the time.
Its going on right now.
Major banks are a large part of it too.

For four generations now, the Bush family has been involved in supporting the country's enemies (most notably the Nazi Party in Germany) and robbing the country blind.

The family was directly involved and profited from the Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980s and has participated in security fraud as well.

With this understanding as a background, the Iraq War can be viewed as their "masterpiece."

The Bush family and its associates have stolen countless billions of dollars in the course of the war. In fact, one of their motivations for pushing the war in the first place was the opportunity for theft.

Chances are the destruction of World Trade Tower Seven, the home of crucial and now lost forever SEC and other federal law enforcement evidence and case files was carried out to cover their tracks.

[weskurtz81]

Carsonal,

Sounds an awful lot like the Clinton family.

Edit: Good video, but you are derailing your own thread. Can we keep it on FW& A instead of your theories?

[One-Shot]

Money is stolen and discretely moved around all the time.
Its going on right now.
Major banks are a large part of it too.

For four generations now, the Bush family has been involved in supporting the country's enemies (most notably the Nazi Party in Germany) and robbing the country blind.

The family was directly involved and profited from the Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980s and has participated in security fraud as well.

With this understanding as a background, the Iraq War can be viewed as their "masterpiece."

The Bush family and its associates have stolen countless billions of dollars in the course of the war. In fact, one of their motivations for pushing the war in the first place was the opportunity for theft.

Chances are the destruction of World Trade Tower Seven, the home of crucial and now lost forever SEC and other federal law enforcement evidence and case files was carried out to cover their tracks.
...so are you going to be bording up your windows to in case "they" come after you prevent you from revealing the "truth" to everyone?

[Vulgotha]

... Carsonal the information within this video is not "Proof" of corruption. It's just what I've said 3 times at this point. ..Inefficiency and other problems related to any (big) bureaucracy.

You're just speculating and using this as some sort of off shoot evidence, of "Corruption". Sure. There is corruption, no one with half a brain would deny that every government has corruption- but this video, is not "Proof" of that.

If you think that 911 was an inside job, and engineered by the president, you're insane. Yes, I've seen the supposed "Evidence" of Zeigeist and dozens of other bogus sites.

Edit: @Weskurtz, yea it does sound alot like the Clinton family. Same with the Kennedys. Corrupt all of them.

*Gasp oh no vulgotha didn't just do that!*

[weskurtz81]

I have to agree with Vulgotha on this. The government has been known to pay WAY to much for things, and hand money out like it's candy for YEARS. This is nothing new, but it's FINALLY starting to get voiced. I think what you see in that video is more politics than anything, no telling what the Dems were proposing, or why the Republicans were not supporting it, or even if that guy was being completely honest. Too much unknown info to make the broad conclusion that was made.

Bottom line though, it is absolutely VITAL that this spending comes under control. BOTH side are guilty of this, just in different ways. And, they use it as a tool, both sides do, to get ellected, not because they actually care.

I think it needs to be a fundamental change in the culture, and political change needs to start from the local level and work up. Even though the biggest problem is in Washington, it's not the only problem, and towing the party line and saying the Dems this or the Republicans that, doesn't normally get much accomplished. They are ALL guilty of this, and many other things..... even though they try to convince the public it's always the other guy.

I don't think the change will happen though until the sleeping masses wake up, and the latest economic problems have stirred them a little, but people don't seem to be awake to reality quite yet. Once people stop worring about what movie they are going to go watch this weekend, and more about what the government is doing with the money they take from us, then we will get some where. The most common thing I see, is people not taking an interest in the government running this country, not understanding that the government is taking an interest in them.

[Carsonal]

Carsonal,

Sounds an awful lot like the Clinton family.



There is no political divide at the top.
There is only money and power, and the parties that they are associated with dont really have any bearing on their personal beliefs.
The Clintons are one of the numerous families/figures with massive flows of crooked money coming straight out of the tax dollars which are listed as "missing" or carelessly moved through beurocracy.

Edit: Good video, but you are derailing your own thread. Can we keep it on FW& A instead of your theories?

The vidoes reference to the two crooks that were shovelled 300 mil to isn't just a "woopsie! our bad" thing.
It only one of the vast amounts of cash dished out to criminals who do that sort of work but if they get caught out, the gov says its an accident and happened at a much lower level.
Its not the best example, but its real enough.

I don't think the change will happen though until the sleeping masses wake up, and the latest economic problems have stirred them a little, but people don't seem to be awake to reality quite ye

They will have woken up within the next 3 years.
It doesnt look good now (or for the past zillion years for that matter) but the bubbles going to burst

[Vulgotha]

I think your hypothesis is total nonesense here.